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How old are you? You would not be depriving them freedom to pursue other romance as that special one would be pursuing romance with you. What is this servitude aspect you mentioned?
...also granted for the purpose of procreation. Read somewhere in the bible about being fruitful and multiply.
Why not? At least nothing good about it in the bible, from the curse on Eve, the rape of Dinah to the death of Rachel in childbirth.
And it the 70s were an ideal time, than no era was, since as I said, from the 80s and onward, the zeitgeist of materialism rolled in, sex was cheapened and commercialized. If it weren't dehumanizing and devaluating, especially for women, then there wouldn't have been the #MeToo movement, which greatly eroded social trust and increased hostility between men and women.
Bible study is a study of the Godhead, a study to explore your relationship with Lord Jesus. You don't go there for a "more balanced perspective" for human sexuality. As far as I'm concerned, sex is a necessarily evil for human reproduction, every human being from Cain , Abel and Seth onward was conceived in this necessarily evil, except Lord Jesus who was conceived miraculously in Virgin Mary.
Would you say pleasurable sex between a loving married couple is a necessary evil?
"Clump of cells" is the demonic abortion advocates' talking point, with whom I have no dealing. On this forum however, what we're is rather a clump of data points, the sum total of our opinions, don't you think? It's like the issue of marriage, you can gather a hundred volumes' worth of advice, testimonies, philosophies and reasoning on it, but nobody can answer "marriage with WHO"? Only yourself can.
This is a loaded questions with at least two baseless assumptions - first, "loving" is purely subjective, heavely affectedly by the ebbs and flow of hormones; second, "pleasurable sex" is rarely pleasurable for both, it has been reported that due to physiological differences, when man reaches climax, woman is often left unsatisfied, hurt or both.
You don't need any philosophy to see that it's hard enough to survive by myself in this dark era of unprecedented anxiety, stress and uncertainty, let alone taking care of a partner and kids. You do need philosophy to make sense of it. And please don't be ticked off by the term "philosophy", it simply means "love of wisdom."
Yes, to contain lust, prevent sexual immorality and have kids, for those who lack self-control AND - do have a partner to marry. The better option is to develop self control and follow the Lord.
So romantic love is purely about hormones, then. Interesting.
And how do you know sex is "rarely pleasurable for both"? You have insights into the realities of the sex lives of billions of married couples throughout history?
I thought you didn't like "baseless assumptions"?
In any case, well, you can certainly avoid marriage and sex if you choose that for yourself. Nothing wrong with that.
I don't know about you, I'd rather mop my own floor, clean my own table and cook my own dinner than going through all the trouble to bring another person to do it for me. This is like luring a wild, free spirited bird and locking it into a cage for your own pleasure.
Yes, I do have that insight, penetrative sex is only pleasurable for men and rarely pleasurable for women, it's often taught as marital "duty" by the church and the culture. Throughout history, men who enjoy lots of sex is admired, women who enjoy lots of sex is shamed and condemned. I did my research, none of these is baseless.
And yes, "romantic love", as in "eros", is all about hormones, it is nowhere close to the agape love, the kind of ultruistic love for God and our neighbor.
That's not a guarantee, especially for older couples. You can't take that for granted. Infertility was already a big deal even at the ancient time of Genesis.
Ummmm..... weren't you JUST COMPLAINING that sex is a forbidden subject in Christian circles, and you wish that would change? Oh yeah....... here we go:
For the record, I do agree with what you said above.
Nevertheless, I was not implying that you attend a Bible study to learn about human sexuality (cute how you used QUOTE marks for what I actually said and then added your own spin on the end, that's a fun new tactic!
). Really, I was just thinking it might help you to spend time with actual people who are not on a digital screen and are able to hold polite conversations with one another, and respect each other as brothers and sisters in Christ.
But if you'd rather get your input from feminists, MGTOW, and the hallmark channel then Godspeed, I will leave you to it. *salutes*
What research?
"Penetrative sex is only pleasurable for men and rarely pleasurable for women....Romantic love is all bout hormones." What led you to that conclusion?
Also, I guess God made a mistake when He invented the sexual functions of the human body. Whoopsie!
I'm not complaining, I acknowledge it as a fact, for better or worse.
If there're opportunities to have such "polite conversations", I wouldn't have come to this place. And a conversation on sex is by default IMpolite, especially when it comes from a man, immediately you'd raise alarm and be deemed as a potential perp and perv. There's no way to "respect each other as brothers and sisters in Christ", when this topic is conventionally limited between female bosom friends, bringing up openly is disrespectful, and it'd only end up shaming yourself.For the record, I do agree with what you said above.
Nevertheless, I was not implying that you attend a Bible study to learn about human sexuality (cute how you used QUOTE marks for what I actually said and then added your own spin on the end, that's a fun new tactic!
Really, I was just thinking it might help you to spend time with actual people who are not on a digital screen and are able to hold polite conversations with one another, and respect each other as brothers and sisters in Christ.
But if you'd rather get your input from feminists, MGTOW, and the hallmark channel then Godspeed, I will leave you to it. *salutes*
Also, the original source of my input is none of these, but St. Augustine. These sources you named, unfortunately, have somehow revived this antique view in a secular way, and I can't shake it off of my mind.
The scientific truth, human anatomy.
Did God cause mankind to sin - or the devil? This is like Adam blaming Eve and God who "gave him that woman" for his fall.
And btw, "pleasurable sex" and "loving married couple" were talking points verbatim used to justify homosexuality, pedophalia and other perversions. Would you say those are evil? Not "necessarily" evil, just evil? Whoops.