Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?
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I get mixed up all the time.I'm sorry , I thought u were talking about king Saul in this postI get mixed up when there lots of people posting
I think that the going rate is 30 pieces of silver. Wonder how much each piece weighs though.
Scripture tells us plainly.
If the scripture tell us plainly. Can you tell it what do you read ang what do you believe?
If you do know, then why are you asking?
I desire to know the understanding of every reader regarding this matter. Then I will seek the Lord God's revelation of the truth concerning it, so that the truth which the lost sheep ought to know and receive may be revealed to them
If you don’t know, then you need to read Scripture.
Based solely on what is written, I understand it according to my own understanding. However, I do not rely on my own understanding (Prov 3:5)
Reading Scripture alone is not the basis for knowing the truth. It requires humility and the grace of God to guide a person into the truth revealed in His Word.
Consider the various groups within Christianity today. They all read and study the Scriptures, many of them for five to ten years or more. Yet they remain divided because they hold differing understandings of the Lord Jesus. Consequently, they have developed different doctrines and teachings concerning salvation. This serves as compelling evidence that the reading of Scripture by itself does not necessarily bring one to the truth.
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Based on the tone of your statement, it appears that you already understand what Judas's actual sin was
Can you tell us how was Judas's sin unique compared to our sins?
What is our sins?
What is Judas sin?
If you truly agree with Dino, please answer the question as well.
Can you tell us how was Judas's sin unique compared to our sins?
What is our sins?
What is Judas sin?
Science tells us that we are all interconnected. If we see ourselves as totally separate entities, we are believing a very specific lie that will lead us to action we think will benefit that specific individual entity, actions which most people call "sins", but they are all rooted in the same singular, specific lie. Read Romans 1:25 where the Greek includes the same definite article before both truth and lie, even though most English translations only put a definite article before truth and use "a" before lie.
At least you are being honest about what you understand.
I apologize, but I do not see the connection in your explanation regarding the uniqueness of Judas’s sin compared to human sin.
Could you please provide your answers to each question?
What is our sins?
What is Judas sin?
Suze said:
I'm also interested in what people think about Saul , does anyone think that he was forgiven ?
Hoping we could open another thread regarding King Saul.
If God reveals the truth in His Word, the true sins of King Saul and Judas Iscariot will be revealed to us. Thus, by receiving what God reveals, we will not follow their example or repeat what they did.
I am arguing that ALL sin, every person's, including Judas. is based on the false assumption that we are physically separate individual entities and that based off of that assumption we act predominately to benefit our false individual view of our separateness. We will act to benefit others, but predominately to the extent that it feels like a benefit to our separate self, "I feel good about myself when I do ..., so I do it. Psychiatry recognizes this sense of separateness as the source of many, perhaps most, mental issues, extreme cases evolve into mental illness, quantum physics recognizes also recognizes this as a fallacy, yet how many people recognize, and act with awareness that everything we to others effects ourselves, from the smallest act to the largest including concerns about money. Thus, there is absolutely no true uniqueness about Judas's act, just another variation on a general theme that we all follow.
As for God's moral law, read through it and see if it does not fully follow this understanding, recall it is all based on Love God with all your heart soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself, not love yourself first and your neighbor with what you can spare.
Surely, Jesus has the skill to strike two birds with one stone. That series of Jesus' questions ultimately led Peter to say, "Lord, you know that I love you."
Jesus accepted Peter's declaration of love, and He comforted Peter's wounds (in hindsight, those three denials must've been sins not unto death, even though Peter experienced their agony as "he broke down and wept (Mark 14:72)." On the other hand, Jesus questioned Judas display of affection, not that Jesus was unsure whether it was sincere but that we should know that He knew that it wasn't. 1 John 5:16 reveals there is a (singular) sin that leads to death (distinguished from other sin by an "n", that is hamartian [that leads to death] v. hamartia [those that do not lead to death (1John 5:17)]. Personally, I think this singular sin has something to do with loving the Father through loving Jesus. In other words, I think it's about worshipping in spirit and in truth, in spite of all our (other) sin.
It is my opinion that Iscariot would've made a better Muslim, and he'd have gone a lot further in his religious ambition if he had been simply converted to Islam (however, it wasn't even an option at the time since it didn't emerge until 600 years later).
He was given same powers as the other Disciples when Yeshua sent them 2x2.
Where does it say he wasn't ever saved?
The fact he was given same healing powers as the others indicates more so he was once saved than never ever saved.
I am hoping/praying that Kool-Aid is no longer in production.. it would certainly be great to not have hampering the truth of God's character.
Judas' damnable sin was that he didn't believe in Christ. He was a follower of Christ for 3 years, so he was a Christian in that sense, and he apparently believed Jesus was Israel's messiah, but he believed that Jesus had come to save the nation of Israel from the Romans, rather than to save the people of Israel from their sins.
IMO the rulers convinced Judas that if Jesus wasn't stopped, the Romans would take away their land and nation. The nation was obviously more important to them than was the truth.
This fear may have motivated Judas to betray Jesus to the rulers thinking that the rulers would have a talk with Jesus to explain this to him. Which would explain his remorse when he realized they meant to kill him instead.
If all of this is true, then Judas wasn't a true Christian, but he was a Christian zionist who saw Israel's promised redemption as being deliverance from Rome rather than as being deliverance from sin. So Judas appears to be the forerunner of Christian zionism, and those who follow that doctrine can be considered to be following in Judas' footsteps.
IMO the rulers convinced Judas that if Jesus wasn't stopped, the Romans would take away their land and nation. The nation was obviously more important to them than was the truth.
Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. John 11:47-50
This fear may have motivated Judas to betray Jesus to the rulers thinking that the rulers would have a talk with Jesus to explain this to him. Which would explain his remorse when he realized they meant to kill him instead.
If all of this is true, then Judas wasn't a true Christian, but he was a Christian zionist who saw Israel's promised redemption as being deliverance from Rome rather than as being deliverance from sin. So Judas appears to be the forerunner of Christian zionism, and those who follow that doctrine can be considered to be following in Judas' footsteps.