More about Israel.

[Aussie52]

To state it is a fact, a fact of history. Zionist hatred is still antisemitism.

I am not hating Israeli's, but their political philosophy called Zionism. In the beginning it was about the emancipation of the Jews and seeking a homeland. Since then, it has morphed into an authoritarian ethno-nationalist movement that is seeking to eliminate the Palestinians through ethnic cleansing to genocide as we have seen in Gaza.
The tragedy is that so many Christian Zionists support the persecution and killing of Palestinians.

 

[legion]

Romans 2:28-29​

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

To what is that the supposed answer to

 

[brightfame52]

To what is that the supposed answer to

It means a True Jew in Gods eyes which He favors is anyone who has been regenerated, nothing to do with ethnicity only jews.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

You have said absolutely nothing. But i will address what I can .

there are actually two covenants the Old Testament and New Testament are both representative of the Old and New Covenant. This would be the Mosaic Covenant versus The Covenant of Grace

Within the Old Testament there are actually two key covenants as well the abrahamic Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant which are completely separate Covenants. One is based on faith and the other based on works

As for the other ones that you mentioned show me a specific example of these other ones from the dispensational teaching itself you can't just throw out generalities that could be taken in any direction

OK I'm not interested in pursuing this. You don't know what you're talking about and are simply repeating stuff you get from AI or some website

 

[Churchgoer]

I am not hating Israeli's, but their political philosophy called Zionism. In the beginning it was about the emancipation of the Jews and seeking a homeland. Since then, it has morphed into an authoritarian ethno-nationalist movement that is seeking to eliminate the Palestinians through ethnic cleansing to genocide as we have seen in Gaza.
The tragedy is that so many Christian Zionists support the persecution and killing of Palestinians.

First of all, need to look at who invented the term antisemitic.

2nd of all, what is Semitic? That is Arabs, jews, and many middle easterners.

So the term itself really means anti middle east people .

Really a term that don't have much meaning.

But let's look at antiChrist, what does that mean? And who is anti Christ?

Hope you know the answers.

 

[legion]

OK I'm not interested in pursuing this. You don't know what you're talking about and are simply repeating stuff you get from AI or some website

Well you're wrong on both accounts there's not a bit of AI in my response to you and second you're the one who can't handle the argument because you have no basis for what you're talking about since you don't understand these Mosaic law what part of I'm calling you out for being dumb with regards to the Mosaic law do you not understand when you understand it you won't have any questions or statements that I will need to respond to

I clearly delineate every fact to you and some cases I actually will give you the verses and often a commentary as well it's not my belief it's Protestant Christianity that you have a problem with

OK I'm not interested in pursuing this. You don't know what you're talking about and are simply repeating stuff you get from AI or some website

And to say that I don't have any knowledge about dispensationalism when for many years I was a dispensationalist I think that about captured as to how stupid your responses are you won't take information from somebody who's been there and done that because it doesn't fit within your little Primadonna view of whatever the hell you believe

And when I asked you for evidence where you are slamming dispensationalism you can't provide it why because you don't know what the hell you're talking about I do look in the mirror

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Well that's a misrepresentation of dispensational belief they full well understand what spiritual Israel is

No they don't. They draw a sharp distinction between Israel and the church and never call the latter Israel. Whatever AI or website you got that from is leading you astray

 

[HeIsHere]

I am not hating Israeli's, but their political philosophy called Zionism. In the beginning it was about the emancipation of the Jews and seeking a homeland. Since then, it has morphed into an authoritarian ethno-nationalist movement that is seeking to eliminate the Palestinians through ethnic cleansing to genocide as we have seen in Gaza.
The tragedy is that so many Christian Zionists support the persecution and killing of Palestinians.

I wonder where that puts the Jews (and there are many) who are not Zionists and have disagreed with it since its inception based on the teachings of the Torah.

 

[Churchgoer]

I wonder where that puts the Jews (and there are many) who are not Zionists and have disagreed with it since its inception based on the teachings of the Torah.

Many jews are against zionism.
Zionism itself is a political movement.

So people have freedom to for it or against it based on self determination.

Christian we base everything on Jesus teaching. Jesus says if you love me, obey my commandments.

Let's start with the 10 commandments.

 

[Aussie52]

Many jews are against zionism.
Zionism itself is a political movement.

So people have freedom to for it or against it based on self determination.

Christian we base everything on Jesus teaching. Jesus says if you love me, obey my commandments.

Let's start with the 10 commandments.

Yes. you are right. Many Israelis are not Zionists and support the Palestinian cause for their freedom and statehood. But Israelis of this view suffer for it.

 

[Churchgoer]

Yes. you are right. Many Israelis are not Zionists and support the Palestinian cause for their freedom and statehood.

Actually many Jewish people from that area a few generations ago, they call themselves Palestinians, as a region, not a political belongings.

Just like Hawaiian.

 

[HeIsHere]

Many jews are against zionism.
Zionism itself is a political movement.

So people have freedom to for it or against it based on self determination.

Christian we base everything on Jesus teaching. Jesus says if you love me, obey my commandments.

Let's start with the 10 commandments.

Yes there were great schisms in the Jewish communities in New York post WW II regarding this movement... families were torn apart.
Yes agree Chris Jesus was clear.... that He is the fulfillment of all and He is the tree, there was always one tree not two.

 

[legion]

No they don't. They draw a sharp distinction between Israel and the church and never call the latter Israel. Whatever AI or website you got that from is leading you astray

I was a part of a dispensational belief system for several years I think I know what I'm talking about and to the point the reason that I raise the issue is because people who for whatever reason decide to slam dispensationalism don't obviously understand what it's about

Many jews are against zionism.
Zionism itself is a political movement.

So people have freedom to for it or against it based on self determination.

Christian we base everything on Jesus teaching. Jesus says if you love me, obey my commandments.

Let's start with the 10 commandments.

9 Commandments were the only things carried over from the Old Testament Mosaic law there was no keep the Sabbath law brought forward however as a Christian you're really only under one commandment which is love God and love thy neighbor

Don't confuse the Mosaic law with the law of Liberty that we have in Christ we have at best two commands because they fulfill the requirements of the Mosaic law and no longer need the Mosaic law itself

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I was a part of a dispensational belief system for several years I think I know what I'm talking about and to the point the reason that I raise the issue is because people who for whatever reason decide to slam dispensationalism don't obviously understand what it's about

Yeah sure. First you said it was one of the greatest things ever and then you left it. Makes (no) sense.

 

[legion]

Yeah sure. First you said it was one of the greatest things ever and then you left it. Makes (no) sense.

No i said it was a better theology than most others out there. You cant read English can you. In fact you want to inflame things by ad homonim attacks. In effect your an asshole.

And I didnt leave it i used it as a stepping stone to a higher more perfect theological beliefs. And I laugh at those who think they have enough of a clue to comment on it. Because they fail.

 

[Churchgoer]

I personally believe in keep the sabbath day holy. The 7th day, a Holy convocation to get together with believers.

But that's a different discussion. Every 7 days, at least one day for Holy assembly.

 

[PotofSoup]

Clarifying some things here. First of all, the vast majority of Jews are Zionist. Even the minority of Hasidic Jews who are dead against settling in Israel are actually Zionist as well, they just do not believe Jews should be there until the Messiah moves them there. Zionism is not a political movement; it is just a term use to describe what Jews for thousands of years always longed for and that is to return to the land. For thousands of years Jews have prayed toward Jerusalem no matter what nation they lived in. They state a desire to be in Israel every Passover for thousands of years. The land of Israel is at the very core of Judaism aside from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Zionism is not just a Jewish or dispensationalist belief, it was part of the Apostles belief as well, because they were Jewish. Zionism simply is the right for the Jewish people to have a homeland in the land of Israel, nothing more and nothing less. So to say that a person does not hate Jews, just Zionist is literally saying they hate Jews.

We as Christians are supposed to ambassadors for Jesus, but what kind of witness can we be if we are consistently saying to Jews, you are not allowed to live in Israel, we replaced you as the new Israel, God took your promises away and gave it to the Christians? And we wonder why most Jews don't want anything to do with Jesus. Instead of Christians bearing witness of the love of Jesus, we bear witness of hate. What happened to Jesus' command of to the Jew first and also the Gentile? Do we not want Jesus to return? He will when Jews in Jerusalem welcome Him back. Let's do our Gentile part by stirring the Jews to Jealously by showing love for Jews.

 

[Aussie52]

No i said it was a better theology than most others out there. You cant read English can you. In fact you want to inflame things by ad homonim attacks. In effect your an asshole.

And I didnt leave it i used it as a stepping stone to a higher more perfect theological beliefs. And I laugh at those who think they have enough of a clue to comment on it. Because they fail.

Calling a fellow poster an 'asshole', is both unnecessary and not very Chistian.

 

[Aussie52]

Clarifying some things here. First of all, the vast majority of Jews are Zionist. Even the minority of Hasidic Jews who are dead against settling in Israel are actually Zionist as well, they just do not believe Jews should be there until the Messiah moves them there. Zionism is not a political movement; it is just a term use to describe what Jews for thousands of years always longed for and that is to return to the land. For thousands of years Jews have prayed toward Jerusalem no matter what nation they lived in. They state a desire to be in Israel every Passover for thousands of years. The land of Israel is at the very core of Judaism aside from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Zionism is not just a Jewish or dispensationalist belief, it was part of the Apostles belief as well, because they were Jewish. Zionism simply is the right for the Jewish people to have a homeland in the land of Israel, nothing more and nothing less. So to say that a person does not hate Jews, just Zionist is literally saying they hate Jews.

We as Christians are supposed to ambassadors for Jesus, but what kind of witness can we be if we are consistently saying to Jews, you are not allowed to live in Israel, we replaced you as the new Israel, God took your promises away and gave it to the Christians? And we wonder why most Jews don't want anything to do with Jesus. Instead of Christians bearing witness of the love of Jesus, we bear witness of hate. What happened to Jesus' command of to the Jew first and also the Gentile? Do we not want Jesus to return? He will when Jews in Jerusalem welcome Him back. Let's do our Gentile part by stirring the Jews to Jealously by showing love for Jews.

While the term "Zionist' may have had that connotation originally, it is now a political term meaning an authoritarian ethno-nationalistic movement. Its main aim is to rid the 'Land' of Palestinians by whatever ways it can.

 

[Churchgoer]

Every one deserves a home land, but American don't bomb Canada and Mexico to make a bigger home for Americans. Or at least shouldn't be if by Christian standard.

Judaism today by religion they hate Jesus, they blaspheme His name. They reject His salvation. They are still using a red heifer and that will cleanse their sins?

Thou shall not covet your neighbor s property. Thou shall not murder. ...

Jesus refuse to set up an earthly kingdom, because that would be the golden calf all over again.