Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?

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Yet God knows each one as distinct. I suppose you know all about quantum physics or just physics in general? smh
I fully agree that God knows each of us individually, but He also knows that we are all interconnected because that is the way He created the universe.

As for Quantum Physics, no one knows it entirely and I personally am smart enough to check my thoughts with individuals who are widely recognized as knowing far more than I do, including a couple Nobel prize winners in physics. I was taught that when, not if, I use science in my theology to do everything I can to ensure that the science I use is being used correctly. Far too many decline to use science, or clearly misuse science, in their theology.

I also check my understandings of scripture with recognized experts in the field from a variety of theological stances. The results there tend to either be that I am challenging tradition and tradition simply must be correct, or else whatever made you look at it that way, it makes far more sense than anything else known in the field.
 
There's getting Saved and then pursuing a Relationship with the One who saved you and there's getting saved and just assuming it is a slam dunk guarantee without knowing your Savior.
You appear to be espousing a works to stay saved doctrine. Very dangerous.

Jesus Himself tells us the guys in Matthew 7, that DID perform miracles, and preach His Name, WERE NEVER SAVED.

He said He NEVER knew them. That is in the same sense that “Adam KNEW his wife and she gave birth to a son”.

Jesus never made them a new creation. They weren’t born again.

Jesus didn’t say “I knew you at one time, and then you did, or didn’t do something that
made it so I no longer know you”.

No. He NEVER knew them.

Is that a little clearer for you?
 
I fully agree that God knows each of us individually, but He also knows that we are all interconnected because that is the way He created the universe.

As for Quantum Physics, no one knows it entirely and I personally am smart enough to check my thoughts with individuals who are widely recognized as knowing far more than I do, including a couple Nobel prize winners in physics. I was taught that when, not if, I use science in my theology to do everything I can to ensure that the science I use is being used correctly. Far too many decline to use science, or clearly misuse science, in their theology.

I also check my understandings of scripture with recognized experts in the field from a variety of theological stances. The results there tend to either be that I am challenging tradition and tradition simply must be correct, or else whatever made you look at it that way, it makes far more sense than anything else known in the field.

Are you interconnected with those who are atheists?
So given that all your sins have the exact same root as Judas's, what do you sell Jesus out for?

Well, going back to your statement I originally responded to, Let me be more precise. What is the root of Judas sin in your opinion and why would you make that statement to a believer in Christ?
God knows tha answer to this question, the Bible does not really address it, so most answers are merely human speculation.

Is this your reply to the op?
 
you don't know? aren't you a born again Christian?

Did you answer my question, no.. quite flippant actually.

One more try, could the Spirit of God dwell in a person prior to the Death and Resurrection of Christ Jesus and the day of Pentecost
 
Are you interconnected with those who are atheists?


Well, going back to your statement I originally responded to, Let me be more precise. What is the root of Judas sin in your opinion and why would you make that statement to a believer in Christ?


Is this your reply to the op?
Whether I wish to be connected with any specific other or not, I am connected. That is a scientific fact.

It is likewise a scientific fact that we humans all, individually, make a choice at a very young age to believe and then act on that belief, that we are separate, not interconnected entities. That is the basic sin that Judas operated from and that every other individual operates from ever since they accept THE lie of separateness, and the results of those actions are what we like to call "sins".
 
Whether I wish to be connected with any specific other or not, I am connected. That is a scientific fact.

It is likewise a scientific fact that we humans all, individually, make a choice at a very young age to believe and then act on that belief, that we are separate, not interconnected entities. That is the basic sin that Judas operated from and that every other individual operates from ever since they accept THE lie of separateness, and the results of those actions are what we like to call "sins".

You can connect to whatever you want. And apparently you have. I think your studies in quantum physics have quite escaped your understanding. Judas was not saved and Jesus made that plain. No worries though. I am impressed, just not in the direction you seem to think is your due.
 
You appear to be espousing a works to stay saved doctrine. Very dangerous.

Jesus Himself tells us the guys in Matthew 7, that DID perform miracles, and preach His Name, WERE NEVER SAVED.

He said He NEVER knew them. That is in the same sense that “Adam KNEW his wife and she gave birth to a son”.

Jesus never made them a new creation. They weren’t born again.

Jesus didn’t say “I knew you at one time, and then you did, or didn’t do something that
made it so I no longer know you”.

No. He NEVER knew them.

Is that a little clearer for you?
If establishing a consistent daily prayer life with continual thoughts about God and a desire to be closer and to know Him better is works to you then you must be as distant to God as one possibly can.
 
Did you answer my question, no.. quite flippant actually.

One more try, could the Spirit of God dwell in a person prior to the Death and Resurrection of Christ Jesus and the day of Pentecost
Definitely. The Psalmist wrote:

(Psa 51:11 NKJV) Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

How could God take the Holy Spirit from David if David did not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in him?

In Isaiah we read:

(Isa 63:11 NKJV) Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,

Of John the Baptiser it was said:

(Luk 1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

So certainly we have examples in Scripture of people who had the Holy Spirit dwelling in them before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
 
If establishing a consistent daily prayer life with continual thoughts about God and a desire to be closer and to know Him better is works to you then you must be as distant to God as one possibly can.
This has literally no bearing on what was being discussed.

Who said we shouldn’t pray and have a desire to get closer to God?

You literally erected a strawman and set him on fire.

How about addressing the post?

Do you need.me to put it again?
 
You can connect to whatever you want. And apparently you have. I think your studies in quantum physics have quite escaped your understanding. Judas was not saved and Jesus made that plain. No worries though. I am impressed, just not in the direction you seem to think is your due.
There are two revelations of God recognized by theology, the general and the special. I maintain that they should not contradict and if they seem to then at least one is being misunderstood. I suspect that you agree of the two, but maintain that if they contradict, YOUR understanding of the special is correct. My preference is to examine both and possibly adjust my understanding of one or the other or even both. To put it another way, you seem to decide what is true and then adjust the facts to fit, I look at the facts and adjust what I think is true to fit them.

Regarding Judas, his actions as recorded as having occurred after the fate of Jesus was known could be read as repentance. If that reading is correct, it is possible that he was saved and would still be consistent with scripture, thus I hold that his ultimate fate is unknown, remaining consistent with the facts rather than looking only at the facts that support a preconceived answer.
 
You are wrongly convinced that I don’t know God. You will go to any length to twist my words to support your demonic thesis. I leave you to the judgment that awaits you before God’s throne.
The truth is you failed the test in 1 John 4:2-3 because you can't identify the One True God sitting in a single Throne in heaven.
REVELATION 4:2
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

This is what I can confidently take pride in sharing with you: what I proclaim is God's revelation of truth through His Word. It does not come from me, but from God Himself.

If the Lord were to appear even at this very moment, I could answer who the one true God is the One seated on the throne in heaven. For my answer would not come from my own understanding, but from what He Himself has revealed.
 
Definitely. The Psalmist wrote:

(Psa 51:11 NKJV) Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

How could God take the Holy Spirit from David if David did not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in him?

In Isaiah we read:

(Isa 63:11 NKJV) Then he remembered the days of old, Moses and his people, saying: "Where is He who brought them up out of the sea With the shepherd of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy Spirit within them,

Of John the Baptiser it was said:

(Luk 1:15) For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

So certainly we have examples in Scripture of people who had the Holy Spirit dwelling in them before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
There is a difference between the Holy Spirit coming upon someone or even filling someone, and the Holy Spirit indwelling, and sealing a born again Christian unto the day of redemption.

Before Jesus’s death and Resurrection, the Holy Spirit only came upon or filled someone. They weren’t sealed by Him. Therefore the Holy Spirit could come and go dependent on the walk of the person.
 
This has literally no bearing on what was being discussed.

Who said we shouldn’t pray and have a desire to get closer to God?

You literally erected a strawman and set him on fire.

How about addressing the post?

Do you need.me to put it again?
Jesus never once says they were Saved or Not Saved. He said they were workers of Iniquity. You can be saved and look at a sinner in judgement and ultimately cause them to hate what you have and that is working Iniquity.
 
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Yes. I understand what Judas’ sin was because I read the Scripture that tells us what his sin was.

It seems like you are avoiding to answer the question.

Then can you tell us how was Judas's sin unique compared to our sins?

What is our sins?

What is Judas uniqe sin?


Despite claiming that you know the sins of mankind and the unique sin of Judas, you avoid answering the question. What this shows is that you are a liar.
 
Jesus never once says they were Saved or Not Saved. He said they were workers of Iniquity. You can be saved and look at a sinner in judgement and ultimately cause them to hate what you have and that is working Iniquity.

Exactly, using modern day ideas, language, concepts and categorization and then work backwards and finding them in scripture.
 
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