How do we distinguish false Christ & false Prophets according to Our Lord?
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Once again you have invented a test that Scripture doesn’t state, proving that you are a false teacher who corrupts the word of God.
Yes, for those post-NT folks to whom Jesus was revealed, but do not forget those to whom only the OT
and/or general revelation were given (2Thes. 2:10, Matt. 7:7, Rom. 1:20, cf. the Parable of the Talents).
John 16:
25 “Though I have been speaking figuratively, a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.
26 In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. 27 No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God. 28 I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”
29 Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech.
I'm sorry but I'm reading KJV 1611.
JOHN 16:25.
25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
FALSE PROPHETS:
Because they do not know the one true God, what they preach and teach to the people is prayer whose benefit is only for the flesh or the body. It is acceptable to the mind and pleasing to the emotions, but it is not in accordance with the truth.
JOHN 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
REAL PROPHETS:
What is shared with the people is that they should plead to God and ask for His revelation of truth in His Word, so that it is the human soul that benefits and will be with God in eternal life.
JOHN 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
If the Lord God does not grant what people ask for regarding physical or bodily benefits, we still cannot deny that some people have indeed received physical healing after prayer. For example, there are illnesses that doctors can no longer treat, such as Stage 4 cancer. After a patient is prayed over and undergoes further medical tests, even the doctors are amazed at how the Stage 4 cancer has disappeared.
If the healing did not come from God, then who granted it? According to the Lord, the devil has also been given power. He is even able to bring down fire from heaven.
REVELATION 13:13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
The power he possesses is used to deceive people so that they will no longer desire to know the one true God who alone can forgive their sins.
REVELATION 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
2 CORINTHIANS 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
FALSE PROPHETS;
False prophets teach those who are suffering from illness to pray to God for healing, claiming that because God is loving, He will heal their diseases.
REAL PROPHETS:
Real prophets teach that a sick person should seek medical attention from a doctor. One should not depend on God for the healing of physical ailments, because the Lord God heals not the diseases of the body but the ailments of the soul, since it is the soul that will accompany Him in everlasting life.
False prophets teach those who are suffering from illness to pray to God for healing, claiming that because God is loving, He will heal their diseases.
REAL PROPHETS:
Real prophets teach that a sick person should seek medical attention from a doctor. One should not depend on God for the healing of physical ailments, because the Lord God heals not the diseases of the body but the ailments of the soul, since it is the soul that will accompany Him in everlasting life.
God will heal physical ailments should He so choose to. He does as He pleases which may include healing, saving or calling time on a life...
Psalm 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: He hath done whatever He hath pleased
God is free to do whatever He desires. If He wishes to heal someone's illness, He will do so. However, there is a difference between what God chooses to do on His own initiative and what people ask of Him. The healing of physical sickness or bodily ailments is something God may do according to His own will. Yet it is not something that can be demanded of Him. Therefore, He gave a warning, which is followed by those whose knowledge of the Lord Jesus comes from God the Father, as stated in Gospel of Matthew 16:15–17.
JOHN 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
This truth has become deeply rooted in the minds of those chosen by God (Real Prophets).
Therefore, they do not ask God for anything that would benefit the flesh or the body. Instead, they pray for what benefits the soul.
It is quite possible that you do not truly understand the test that the Lord Jesus instructed in First Epistle of John 4:2–3. For this instruction was entrusted only to His chosen ones, those whose knowledge of the Lord Jesus comes from God, as stated in Gospel of Matthew 16:15–17. Therefore, they alone carry out this test.
You were subjected to the Lord's test, yet you failed it. Instead of humbling yourself before God and acknowledging the truth He reveals, you continued to insist on your own beliefs in His presence. You are like the Pharisees, who insisted before the Lord Jesus that they knew God and had passed the test. As a result, they remained blind before the Lord.
JOHN 8:54-55
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
JOHN 9:40-41
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
Your understanding and beliefs are not the basis of salvation. It is the truth, as light, that exposes the darkness.
But the test mentioned in 1 John 4:1-3 is not a test to which the false teachers and false prophets were subjected. John isn't addressing the false prophets. He's addressing his Christian readers, and telling them how they can tell the false from the true. If true, they will confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. If false, they won't:
(1Jn 4:1) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
(1Jn 4:2) By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
(1Jn 4:3) and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
Are you claiming that Dino246 does not believe that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh? When has he ever said such a thing? I don't claim to have read all of his posts, but such heresy would stick out a mile.
But the test mentioned in 1 John 4:1-3 is not a test to which the false teachers and false prophets were subjected. John isn't addressing the false prophets. He's addressing his Christian readers, and telling them how they can tell the false from the true. If true, they will confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. If false, they won't:
The test instructed by the Lord Jesus for Christians is not as straightforward as people commonly understand it.
If it were that simple, then it would be easy for everyone to pass.
All groups within Christianity would qualify, since they all profess that Jesus came in the flesh.
However, the various groups that make up Christianity hold at least four different understandings of who Jesus is who came in the flesh.
That alone makes it clear that they have not passed the test. For their claim that Jesus came in the flesh originates merely from human understanding.
The confession that "Jesus came in the flesh" must come from God, so that the truth about who Jesus is who came in the flesh may be revealed.
This truth is made known to those whom God has chosen. That is why they passed the test.
If the test described in 1 John 4:2–3 were merely a simple declaration that Jesus came in the flesh, then even Satan himself would be able to pass it, for he too acknowledges that Jesus came in the flesh.
Do you know who Jesus, who came in the flesh, really is?
I hope you will answer the question so that you can determine for yourself whether you have passed the test or not
Are you claiming that Dino246 does not believe that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh? When has he ever said such a thing? I don't claim to have read all of his posts, but such heresy would stick out a mile.
The test did not originate from me. It was commanded by the Lord Jesus and is something that must be carried out. And whether a person passes or fails the test is ultimately revealed by the Lord Jesus Himself. Therefore, your statement, "Are you claiming...?" is incorrect.
It was not I who declared that Dino failed the test; it was the Lord Jesus who revealed it through the truth of His word.
What he claimed is the same claimed as Satan.
And so the Lord Jesus revealed that he failed the test.
Yes, the soul matters and it's what has an eternity with God. You're absolutely correct in benefitting the soul over the body. Isaiah and Jeremiah, for example, mention healing that, in context, is clearly spiritual. This is a clear sign of of the souls essential role in our existence.
That doesn't mean the body has no importance and someone is a "false prophet" if they ask for physical health. Psalms and proverbs speak of the importance of our health and David often asked for physical strength to go with his spiritual health. God gave us a body after all and took the time to design it for us. He also asked us not to defile it, indicating a level of importance.
Now, that can be linked to the souls anyway and rightly so. It is what will stand before God and have an eternity ahead of it, it's just that it doesn't mean the body has no importance at all and it's not false to ask for its health.
Proverbs 3:7-8
Isaiah 58:11
God looks after our physical needs as they matter to Him, this doesn't remove from His care for our spiritual needs and their importance....
But as I said, it is not a test which is presented to the false teachers to pass or fail. It's the way Christians who hear prophets/teachers/preachers are to decide whether those that are teaching them are true or false. In other words, Christians are to test what they hear.
I expect there are some people whose ideas of Jesus coming in the flesh are unbiblical - for example, I have heard some people say, as many of the Jews did, that Joseph was His father. That is saying that Jesus was just an ordinary man, and is not the same as believing that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is come in the flesh.
Yes, He is the Word of John 1, the eternal Son of God, Who left heaven's glory to come to this earth, live amongst sinful people, and die on the cross to save sinners. He rose again, and is now back in heaven, from where He will come a second time.
I repeat, the test was the way John's readers were to assess those who taught them, not like a school exam where pupils have to answer questions.
How do you know that the Lord Jesus reveals that Dino246 failed the test?
I think that at the very least, that is an unwarranted supposition. But I will leave Dino246 to answer for himself if he so wishes.
His answer to you and his previous answer to me demonstrate that he has invented his own wacky interpretation of Scripture that supposedly supports his claims.
Every time I press him for a biblical basis for his position or his accusations, he claims that the Lord Jesus has revealed it. What he can’t do is quote Scripture supporting his assertions or quote me where I have supposedly made incriminating statements. He just goes in circles. I have given up on trying to get him to see his errors. His rationale is devoid of logic or biblical support.
Your job is to point out errors that's job security
I bet that's very lucrative . I'm just trying to guess what religion you are
I bet that's very lucrative . I'm just trying to guess what religion you are