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Not a promised land for unbelievers. Please see many people s explanation about it base on scripture.
Yes they murder, steal, robbery, genocide....
Yes they murder, steal, robbery, genocide....
Only one problem with that...we are not looking for the king of israel...we're looking for the KING OF kings LORD of lords
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Didn't the Israelites in the OT commit what would be termed genocide today when they took the land?
Another bit of evidence that "Blessed is he that comes in the name of the lord" was fulfilled when Jesus' disciples glorified him as king of Israel as he approached Jerusalem is what the pharisees said, and then Jesus said in response.
That phrase is actually a prophesy found in Psalms 118
Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD. Psalms 118:26
It was a prophecy because after Jesus' disciples recited that verse and the pharisees complained, Jesus said the rocks would have cried it out to fulfill the prophecy if his disciples had not.
And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. And [jesus] answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. Luke 19:39-40
Very good reading, yes, special time special commands by God. If you read carefully, in ot, God only tell isrealites particular time, place , particular wiping out a town, which is not to be repeated as a general rule.
Only God's commandments such as the 10 are general rule.
But wiping out town of jericho, ai,... is case by case special instructions. Please notice not every town God said to wipe out. Case by case.
Just as God told Abraham to sacrifice his son, a special instruction for a short time, not a general rule. Actually the general rule is just opposite, no human sacrificing. God is very much against it.
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Yes, but it was permitted because God was judging the gods of the land to take away their dominion over it so that he could set up his kingdom with his law that would ultimately judge his son allowing for the salvation of the world. There is no need or justification for that kind of thing now.
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Thaddeus
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Jesus said, the abomination that causes desolation would result in horrors unequelled since the creation of the world, and would never been seen again. If those days were not cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect they will be shortened.
In revelation 8 it states a third of the land and trees will be burned up. Will this happen outside of God's will?
No because he will be judging the gods of the world. When I said there's no need for that kind of thing now I meant in regards to him having his own earthly nation. His nation now has no borders.
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Thaddeus
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So God has yet to fulfill his purposes with horrors unseen since the creation of the world
Incidentally, the abomination that causes desolation is already on earth, worrying times
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Thaddeus
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Jesus said, the abomination that causes desolation would result in horrors unseen since the creation of the world and would never be seen again, it would result in darkness:
The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. Rev8:7
The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night. Verse12
What is the abomination that causes desolation?
I saw a programme once. If there was a nuclear war amongst the main countries to posess those weapons(main countries) the result would be, a cloud would cover one third of the earth, the sun and moon would not therefore shine on one third of the earth, one third of the earth would be covered in darkness. A third of the land and trees would be burned up
It would be a horror unequalled since the creation of the world
Never has been
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. Jude 1:5
But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Hebrews 3:17-19
ChristRoseFromthedead, you never let me down, as I know you will aways have an answer for me, but I think your response to what Jesus meant when he said, "you will not see me again" is a bit of a stretch. For some reason you bolded, "“Nevertheless I must walk today, and tomorrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.” I am not sure how you interpret that, but the verse "“Nevertheless I must walk today, and tomorrow, and the day following" is a Semitic idiom meaning, "my mission continues for the appointed time". Then "It cannot be that a prophet perishes outside Jerusalem” is simply "Jerusalem has become the city that kills God’s messengers". So, He is essentially saying, "My death is not random. It must happen in the city where God meets His people—and where His people reject Him." His people in this context are the Jews who rejected Him in Jerusalem. Then following right after that, He says, "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” Context is key, and it is clear Jesus is referring Jews who are not His followers.
I think I understand why you might want to see it another way, and it is I think because it messes with your narrative you are trying to push, yes? In any event, I am glad we agree that the land is core to Judaism, but it is a misguided to say Judaism is "not to the faith of Christ". A few corrections from your comments above. 1 century AD Judaism had much more groups than just the pharisees, as the Pharisee were one of many groups. In fact, in recent years it has been found that there were more groups than believed prior. Therefore, the Apostles came from different various groups from with Judaism. Paul, the Apostles to the Gentiles came from and is a Pharisee. If all the Apostles or Jews in general were Pharisee's, then Paul would not have to say this about himself. One thing that all these groups had in common was their expectation of the Christ (Jewish Messiah). Judaism in general believes in a Messiah but it was a new Jewish group that appeared on the scene from Judaism that called themselves "the Way" who believed that Jesus is the Messiah and they still considered themselves to be Jewish adhering to Judaism.
So, to make the claim that the Apostles had no care for the land is also misguided. Every apostle was a Torah‑formed Jew. For them: the land was a covenant gift, the land was tied to Abraham’s promise. After the resurrection, the apostles STILL expected a restored Israel. In Acts 1:6 — after Jesus rose from the dead, the disciples ask: “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” If they had abandoned the land, this question would make no sense.
In any event, you brought up the seed again. So, if you want to discuss the seed as I asked in my prior posts, then again, I ask, please explain in detail what you believe about the seed, so that I can see through your lens and perhaps we can prevent present our views without going in circles or we can continue with our current discussion, but please lets not do both. One topic at a time, and then move on to another, so that our discussions does not get fragmented. Thanks.
Absolutely
The entire Bible, God keep telling people to stay under His wings, stay inside His gate, get on the ark, stay inside the passover blood gate...
The only reason we have an unconditional covenant with God is because God give us a new heart, born again in spirit.
There is no such thing as unconditional covenant with evil doers and support evil stuff. So no matter how evil they are, We just support all the evil behaviors? That make us part of the evil too. Just don't make sense.
Read the Bible!!!
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Thaddeus
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Ezekiel 36:26&27Absolutely
The entire Bible, God keep telling people to stay under His wings, stay inside His gate, get on the ark, stay inside the passover blood gate...
The only reason we have an unconditional covenant with God is because God give us a new heart, born again in spirit.
There is no such thing as unconditional covenant with evil doers and support evil stuff. So no matter how evil they are, We just support all the evil behaviors? That make us part of the evil too. Just don't make sense.
Read the Bible!!!
My reason for bolding it was to show that Jesus appeared to be saying that Jerusalem would see him again after 3 days
I don't agree with your conclusion that he was only speaking to those who were not his followers. Not all of Jerusalem disbelieved. When Jesus said Psalms 118:26 would be uttered when Jerusalem saw him again, he was not in Jerusalem. When Jerusalem did see him again as he descended the Mt of Olives, his disciples said exactly what he said would be said. And if they hadn't said it the rocks would have cried out those words because he said they would be uttered, as I explained in a previous post.
No, that is the modus operandi of dispensationalists. I see it the way I do because all of the prophets prophesied of those days in which the apostles lived. Scripture says so
And all the prophets from Samuel, and as many as spoke thereafter foretold these days. Acts 3:24
Yet dispensationalists disbelieve this and what other scripture plainly says in order to push everything into the future to make their narrative work. The fact that God has fulfilled, or is fulfilling, every prophecy pertaining to Israel in Christ and his body collapses their narrative.
The pharisees were the mainstream group that educated the people. Jesus acknowledged that when he told the people to listen to them because they sat in the seat of Moses to teach the people. Everything else was either the ruling priestly class (Saducees) or fringe elements (eg., Essenes). So of course the disciples would have held beliefs taught by the pharisees.
Since the disciples were inculcated in the ideas of the pharisees, they expected the restoration of the earthly kingdom then. But that idea vanished when they were baptized in the holy spirit at Pentecost. That was the promise true Israel was waiting for.
I ask you again, as I asked you before, to address Paul's statement in Galatians 3:16 that God promised the land to Abraham and to his seed, who is Christ, not Israel. That's a fair thing to ask since you claim the land was promised to Israel in the blood covenant of Genesis 15:18, whereas Paul says it was promised to Christ.
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You have the existance of the Mosaic law as a reference of what those two commands fulfill... . Thus As a Christian We know what love God and love your neighbor means Because we recognize There was once a mosaic law that was in place That defined Some but not all sin
Of course that's only if you can't pay attention to that law written under your heart. Killing somebody or sleeping with somebody's wife or stealing something is intuitively known as wrong and therefore you would not be showing love to God or to your neighbor by performing those Acts because in your heart you would know it was wrong
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Jesus did not die at Calvary to abolish what is holy, just and good(Rom7:12) he died to end man's condemnation under what is holy, just and good.
If you asked christians if they knew in their mind God does not want them to steal, commit adultery, murder, covet, take the Lord's name in vain, all I know would say they did know that.
They would also say in their hearts they would not want to do those things.
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts.
I never said it was abolished in fact I included it as a reference point for the main two points of love God and love your neighbor
It was not the Mosaic law that was written to the heart nowhere in the Bible does it say that not even in Jeremiah 31: 31
What we know happened is Israel failed miserably and God's plan of Salvation for mankind was given to the Gentiles to make Israel jealous remembering that the new law which was not renewed it was literally the correct word meaning new.
And you are wrong mankind now knows intrinsically that murder adultery theft Etc is wrong if they don't they grew up in a cave away from society on their own by themselves and have never associated with another human
Only somebody stuck in the first century understanding of Jesus's actions and ignoring 2,000 years of learning and scholarly work in research will conclude that the Mosaic law is currently binding on anybody
It exists in our Bible and will never go away as stated in Matthew 5:17 however even Matthew 5:17 does not claim that it is binding on anybody it simply says it's not going to fade away until everything in the Old Testament aka the law and profits are fulfilled
It is evidence of complete ignorance of the Mosaic law as well as the New Testament teachings in particular The Works of Christ on the cross that the Mosaic law is still in effect
Only cults like Hebrew roots and SDA attempt to use the Mosaic law as if it was still possible even though they have no priest they have no Temple there is no Levites and we can't do sacrifices without them moreover Jesus is not from the tribe of Levi an oven necessity are changing the priest will be a change in the law
So if you are a stupid person and I mean that literally who believes the Mosaic law is still binding unbelievers today even though it was never given to Gentiles in the first place you simply are proving that you do not understand the list above and have no place engaging people as if you know something because you don't