More about Israel.

[Thaddeus]

I never said it was abolished in fact I included it as a reference point for the main two points of love God and love your neighbor

It was not the Mosaic law that was written to the heart nowhere in the Bible does it say that not even in Jeremiah 31: 31

What we know happened is Israel failed miserably and God's plan of Salvation for mankind was given to the Gentiles to make Israel jealous remembering that the new law which was not renewed it was literally the correct word meaning new.

And you are wrong mankind now knows intrinsically that murder adultery theft Etc is wrong if they don't they grew up in a cave away from society on their own by themselves and have never associated with another human

Only somebody stuck in the first century understanding of Jesus's actions and ignoring 2,000 years of learning and scholarly work in research will conclude that the Mosaic law is currently binding on anybody

It exists in our Bible and will never go away as stated in Matthew 5:17 however even Matthew 5:17 does not claim that it is binding on anybody it simply says it's not going to fade away until everything in the Old Testament aka the law and profits are fulfilled

It is evidence of complete ignorance of the Mosaic law as well as the New Testament teachings in particular The Works of Christ on the cross that the Mosaic law is still in effect

Only cults like Hebrew roots and SDA attempt to use the Mosaic law as if it was still possible even though they have no priest they have no Temple there is no Levites and we can't do sacrifices without them moreover Jesus is not from the tribe of Levi an oven necessity are changing the priest will be a change in the law

So if you are a stupid person and I mean that literally who believes the Mosaic law is still binding unbelievers today even though it was never given to Gentiles in the first place you simply are proving that you do not understand the list above and have no place engaging people as if you know something because you don't

Nine of the ten commandments are written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers.
Paul says if you have never known of biblical law you can show the requirements of the law are written on your heart.
Every believer knows in their mind instinctively God does not want them to steal, lie, take his name in vain, covet, murder
And in their hearts they would say they do not want to do those things.
They are not binding as in a law that can condemn. For your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.
As I told you, if a believer committed adultery, they would be conscious of sin specifically because they committed the act of adultery in their heart and mind. No reference point! It is a fact based on a core tenet of scripture:
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

Do we then make void the law by faith? God forbid: Yea, we establish the law Rom3:31
It may sound nice to say only two commandments are in the hearts and minds of believers, but it is not the reality, as man should be able to testify to

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Nine of the ten commandments are written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers.

All 10 are within our hearts. Doing the righteousness demanded by the 4th commandment is ceasing from works of the flesh and resting in Christ's finished work by trusting that he is sanctifying us

 

[Thaddeus]

All 10 are within our hearts. Doing the righteousness demanded by the 4th commandment is ceasing from works of the flesh and resting in Christ's finished work by trusting that he is sanctifying us

I suppose I should have written, nine of the ten commandments as written are in our hearts, the spiritual intent of the fourth one is upheld in born again christians everyday. I admit to being a bit lazy. However, Im glad we agree they are all there though one in a different way:
God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people who would soon desert him when they reached the promised land. It is not surprising then they were instructed to set aside one day a week to meditate on God’s goodness and kindness to them. But they had to be instructed to do it.

Under the new covenant, our hearts have been softened, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit. We have been born again of the spirit and are new creations. Every single day born again Christians meditate on God’s kindness to them by sending His son to die for them, and every day, we are grateful for it.

The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld in Christians today seven days a week.

 

[Churchgoer]

I suppose I should have written, nine of the ten commandments as written are in our hearts, the spiritual intent of the fourth one is upheld in born again christians everyday. I admit to being a bit lazy. However, Im glad we agree they are all there though one in a different way:
God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people who would soon desert him when they reached the promised land. It is not surprising then they were instructed to set aside one day a week to meditate on God’s goodness and kindness to them. But they had to be instructed to do it.

Under the new covenant, our hearts have been softened, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit. We have been born again of the spirit and are new creations. Every single day born again Christians meditate on God’s kindness to them by sending His son to die for them, and every day, we are grateful for it.

The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld in Christians today seven days a week.

I also believe gather together with other believers, in local church setting. Iron sharpen iron, be the sal and light for community.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Only one problem with that...we are not looking for the king of israel...we're looking for the KING OF kings LORD of lords

That is the king of Israel

 

[legion]

All 10 are within our hearts. Doing the righteousness demanded by the 4th commandment is ceasing from works of the flesh and resting in Christ's finished work by trusting that he is sanctifying us

Well that's incorrect it's not mentioned in the New Testament and second the arrest you speak of is in Jesus whenever we want it

 

[legion]

Nine of the ten commandments are written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers.
Paul says if you have never known of biblical law you can show the requirements of the law are written on your heart.
Every believer knows in their mind instinctively God does not want them to steal, lie, take his name in vain, covet, murder
And in their hearts they would say they do not want to do those things.
They are not binding as in a law that can condemn. For your sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more.
As I told you, if a believer committed adultery, they would be conscious of sin specifically because they committed the act of adultery in their heart and mind. No reference point! It is a fact based on a core tenet of scripture:
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

Do we then make void the law by faith? God forbid: Yea, we establish the law Rom3:31
It may sound nice to say only two commandments are in the hearts and minds of believers, but it is not the reality, as man should be able to testify to

When was Jake Paul did not Define moral sin it used it as part of it s design prior to the Mosaic law people knew they shouldn't kill an as for what is written on the heart I still contend it was love God and love thy neighbor if you are doing that you are actually doing all of the other commands except for perhaps the ceremonial ritual sacrifices

 

[Thaddeus]

When was Jake Paul did not Define moral sin it used it as part of it s design prior to the Mosaic law people knew they shouldn't kill an as for what is written on the heart I still contend it was love God and love thy neighbor if you are doing that you are actually doing all of the other commands except for perhaps the ceremonial ritual sacrifices

Then you could only be conscious of sin in your heart in regard to not loving as you should:
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
That is no believers reality

 

[legion]

Then you could only be conscious of sin in your heart in regard to not loving as you should:
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
That is no believers reality

Mankind had a idea of what was right and wrong before the Mosaic law that was stupid what you're saying is that there was no sin prior to the Mosaic law think about how stupid that is

 

[Thaddeus]

Mankind had a idea of what was right and wrong before the Mosaic law that was stupid what you're saying is that there was no sin prior to the Mosaic law think about how stupid that is

Yes, once Adam and Eve ate the apple from the tree of knowledge they knew of good and evil. They did not have a written law but were from then on aware of sin. So, they knew it was wrong to commit adultery, murder, steal etc. So we can say they knew part of what would later become a written law.
Today you can only be conscious of sin through the law for sin is the transgression of the law. Not a reference point, a fact.
For you to be correct, law other than the two greatest commandments must exist, or you could not be conscious of sin concerning them, but only two active laws were written in the mind and placed on the heart, the rest of active law are somewhere else as reference points. I could say, how stupid is that?
The reality is, all christians have heartfelt consciousness of sin if they steal, commit adultery, covet etc. Your theology is not the reality

 

[brightfame52]

What are the Promises that seem to show a Glorious future for National Israel i.e Ezk 37:21-28

Is that really National Israel, the physical descendants of Abraham in view here ?

We shall now observe this promise to Israel in Ezk 37:21-28

1.Its promised that God will gather the children of Israel from among the nations and bring them into their own land vs 21

2. God shall make them one nation vs 22

3. There will be one King over them, that is one Shepherd, David vs 22,24

4. They shall be cleansed from their transgressions vs 23 see Heb 8:12

5. They shall be the people of God, and God will be their God vs 23 see Heb 8:10

6. They shall have the Land given to Jacob forever vs 25 see Heb 11:8-9; Gen 17:8; 28:14; Lk 1:32-33

7. God will be in the midst of them forever vs 28 see Rev 21:22; 22:3

Now there is no doubt that these things are yet to be fulfilled, but again, to which Israel do they pertain ?

We, have National Israel, the physical seed of Abraham, We Have Jesus Christ, The Seed of Abraham who is Called Israel, and we have all believers in Christ who are the seed of Abraham[Israel] spiritually Gal 3:29 !

Is National Israel in view here in Ezk 37: 21ff ? No, its not National Israel the Physical seed of Abraham because they were not the children of God and Promise according to Rom 9:8


8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

They are in fact contrasted to the Children of promise !

Also Matt 8:10-12 applies to them :


10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Now, who are these Children of the kingdom that will be cast out and not partake of the Kingdom with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob [remember Ezk 37:25]

The Children or sons of the kingdom is a Semitic term for National Israel, and Jesus is saying they lost their claim to this eternal kingdom, much like what is said here Matt 21:43

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

So when we combine these two together, we see no promise of National Israel being restored, but the Gentiles, the Spiritual seed of Abraham , those from the east and the west shall inherit the eternal kingdom with The Patriarchs instead.

Lets Comp Matt 8:11 with Ezk 37:21

Ezk 37:21

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Matt 8:11

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

The Kingdom of Heaven is that Eternal land of Promise !

Also, God is no respecter of Persons Acts 10:34-35

34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

This means God will not show any special favor to anyone because of the national origin, but to those who fear Him in every nation. National Israel is not a Holy Nation, they despised the Messiah, and the believers in Christ are the Holy Nation 1 Pet 2:9=10

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

God has indicated that He will not show special favor to any nation by ethnicity Acts 10:34, and He is not going to change His Mind.4

 

[Thaddeus]

What are the Promises that seem to show a Glorious future for National Israel i.e Ezk 37:21-28

Is that really National Israel, the physical descendants of Abraham in view here ?

We shall now observe this promise to Israel in Ezk 37:21-28

1.Its promised that God will gather the children of Israel from among the nations and bring them into their own land vs 21

2. God shall make them one nation vs 22

3. There will be one King over them, that is one Shepherd, David vs 22,24

4. They shall be cleansed from their transgressions vs 23 see Heb 8:12

5. They shall be the people of God, and God will be their God vs 23 see Heb 8:10

6. They shall have the Land given to Jacob forever vs 25 see Heb 11:8-9; Gen 17:8; 28:14; Lk 1:32-33

7. God will be in the midst of them forever vs 28 see Rev 21:22; 22:3

Now there is no doubt that these things are yet to be fulfilled, but again, to which Israel do they pertain ?

We, have National Israel, the physical seed of Abraham, We Have Jesus Christ, The Seed of Abraham who is Called Israel, and we have all believers in Christ who are the seed of Abraham[Israel] spiritually Gal 3:29 !

Is National Israel in view here in Ezk 37: 21ff ? No, its not National Israel the Physical seed of Abraham because they were not the children of God and Promise according to Rom 9:8


8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

They are in fact contrasted to the Children of promise !

Also Matt 8:10-12 applies to them :


10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Now, who are these Children of the kingdom that will be cast out and not partake of the Kingdom with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob [remember Ezk 37:25]

The Children or sons of the kingdom is a Semitic term for National Israel, and Jesus is saying they lost their claim to this eternal kingdom, much like what is said here Matt 21:43

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

So when we combine these two together, we see no promise of National Israel being restored, but the Gentiles, the Spiritual seed of Abraham , those from the east and the west shall inherit the eternal kingdom with The Patriarchs instead.

Lets Comp Matt 8:11 with Ezk 37:21

Ezk 37:21

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Matt 8:11

11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

The Kingdom of Heaven is that Eternal land of Promise !

Also, God is no respecter of Persons Acts 10:34-35

34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

This means God will not show any special favor to anyone because of the national origin, but to those who fear Him in every nation. National Israel is not a Holy Nation, they despised the Messiah, and the believers in Christ are the Holy Nation 1 Pet 2:9=10

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

God has indicated that He will not show special favor to any nation by ethnicity Acts 10:34, and He is not going to change His Mind.4

They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Luke21:24

A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day – a day known only to the Lord – with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.

8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected – great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.

16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanitein the house of the Lord Almighty. Zech14

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Luke21:24

A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day – a day known only to the Lord – with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.

8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected – great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.

16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanitein the house of the Lord Almighty. Zech14

Zechariah 14 is not all one prophecy. Verses 1-3 is speaking of either the Seleucid or Roman conquest of Jerusalem, and verses 4-5 most likely occurred during the time of Christ (see https://zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com for explanation). Not until verse 12 does the future (to us) appear to be in view.

 

[Thaddeus]

Zechariah 14 is not all one prophecy. Verses 1-3 is speaking of either the Seleucid or Roman conquest of Jerusalem, and verses 4-5 most likely occurred during the time of Christ (see https://zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com for explanation). Not until verse 12 does the future (to us) appear to be in view.

Thank you for your theologising to overturn the plainly written word

 

[Thaddeus]

Zechariah 14 is not all one prophecy. Verses 1-3 is speaking of either the Seleucid or Roman conquest of Jerusalem, and verses 4-5 most likely occurred during the time of Christ (see https://zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com for explanation). Not until verse 12 does the future (to us) appear to be in view.

Have another go, I do find it amusing:
Again the word of the Lord came to me: 17 ‘Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. 18 So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. 19 I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. 20 And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, “These are the Lord’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.” 21 I had concern for my holy name, which the people of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.

22 ‘Therefore say to the Israelites, “This is what the Sovereign Lord says: it is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

24 ‘“For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

 

[dkontner]

Mystery Babylon, mother of harlots...

 

[Thaddeus]

Zechariah 14 is not all one prophecy. Verses 1-3 is speaking of either the Seleucid or Roman conquest of Jerusalem, and verses 4-5 most likely occurred during the time of Christ (see https://zechariahfourteenfive.wordpress.com for explanation). Not until verse 12 does the future (to us) appear to be in view.

Im confidant you can theologise the following away too:

In those days and at that time,
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat
There I will put them on trial
for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel,
because they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.
3 They cast lots for my people
and traded boys for prostitutes;
they sold girls for wine to drink.
4 ‘Now what have you against me, Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. 5 For you took my silver and my gold and carried off my finest treasures to your temples.[You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks, that you might send them far from their homeland.

7 ‘See, I am going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them, and I will return on your own heads what you have done. 8 I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away.’ The Lord has spoken.

9 Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare for war!
Rouse the warriors!
Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.
10 Beat your ploughshares into swords
and your pruning hooks into spears.
Let the weakling say,
‘I am strong!’
11 Come quickly, all you nations from every side,
and assemble there.
Bring down your warriors, Lord!
12 ‘Let the nations be roused;
let them advance into the Valley of Jehoshaphat,
for there I will sit
to judge all the nations on every side.
13 Swing the sickle,
for the harvest is ripe.
Come, trample the grapes,
for the winepress is full
and the vats overflow –
so great is their wickedness!’
14 Multitudes, multitudes
in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and moon will be darkened,
and the stars no longer shine.
16 The Lord will roar from Zion
and thunder from Jerusalem;
the earth and the heavens will tremble.
But the Lord will be a refuge for his people,
a stronghold for the people of Israel.

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17 ‘Then you will know that I, the Lord your God,
dwell in Zion, my holy hill.
Jerusalem will be holy;
never again will foreigners invade her.
18 ‘In that day the mountains will drip new wine,
and the hills will flow with milk;
all the ravines of Judah will run with water.
A fountain will flow out of the Lord’s house
and will water the valley of acacias.But Egypt will be desolate,
Edom a desert waste,
because of violence done to the people of Judah,
in whose land they shed innocent blood.
20 Judah will be inhabited for ever
and Jerusalem through all generations.
21 Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged?
No, I will not.’
The Lord dwells in Zion!

Joel ch3

 

[dkontner]

A lot of GREAT things happen when the Lord returns.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Thank you for your theologising to overturn the plainly written word

You want something that doesn't exist. Zechariah didn't write his prophecies using chapters. That was added many centuries later by men who were "theologizing"

 

[Thaddeus]

You want something that doesn't exist. Zechariah didn't write his prophecies using chapters. That was added many centuries later by men who were "theologizing"

Ah that's a new one!