Nowhere does scripture explicitly teach that man is born unable to.... come to/respond positively to... the message of the the Life Giver to receive Life.
Calvinism is Gospel !
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Nowhere does scripture explicitly teach that man is born unable to.... come to/respond positively to... the message of the the Life Giver to receive Life.
I had spent some time to get verses and write the truth of scripture for you, as Christians we are supposed to help one another to edify one another, I write simply and from clear verses not subject to interpretation, too bad you dismissed my post. you probably did not like what was written and that is O.K. just could have said so and why we could have discussed further. it wont happen again.
You keep asking that question when Millions of Christians have known it from the beginning?
You must wonder?
How did the Church grow like it had until Calvin was born?
He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and
your household.”
Acts 16:30-31
You are only proving how dull Calvinists are
It is really quite audacious to assert Calvinism is the Gospel... especially considering the message of Calvinism causes the words of
Christ to be impotent.
According to them, the Bible and the very words of Jesus are useless to a person unless God decides to regenerate that particular person first.
Yes indeed, it an audacious claim to make about God, His message of Good News and His written revelation to mankind.
Calvin read Augustine and liked what he read and Calvin was well versed in philosophy.
Augustine proposed God's election of the saved but not double predestination.
I wish Calvin had identified the context in the letter to the Romans.
So what is Paul talking about in Romans chapters 7 to chapter 11?
What is the subject of Romans 7-11?
Using the immediate context of Romans 7–11, Paul's focus is not primarily on explaining why some individuals are eternally saved and others are eternally lost. Rather, he is explaining God's purpose in Christ concerning Israel, the Gentiles, and the fulfillment of His promises.
Consider the flow of the argument:
Romans 8
Paul speaks of those who are in Christ:
The emphasis is on the certainty of God's purpose for those who belong to Christ.
Romans 9
Paul immediately turns to the question of Israel:
Paul's concern is why many Israelites have not obtained righteousness while Gentiles are entering into it.
Yet Paul also says:
And he explains why:
The explanation given is faith versus works, not an explicit appeal to an eternal decree of individual salvation.
Romans 10
Paul continues:
He then repeatedly presents salvation as available through faith:
The chapter emphasizes the universal offer of salvation through faith.
Romans 11
Paul asks:
He then introduces the remnant:
Yet Israel's hardening is described as partial and temporary:
And concerning the unbelieving branches:
Paul grounds exclusion and inclusion in belief and unbelief:
From the context alone
Romans 7–11 repeatedly emphasizes:
- Faith versus works (9:30–32; 10:3–10).
- Salvation offered to "whosoever" believes (10:11–13).
- Israel's stumbling through unbelief (9:32; 11:20).
- The possibility of restoration through faith (11:23).
- God's faithfulness to His promises concerning Israel (11:1–29).
Therefore, the surrounding context does not explicitly teach the later Calvinistic doctrine that God unconditionally predestines particular individuals to salvation and passes over the rest.
At the same time, Romans 9–11 certainly affirms God's sovereignty:
So the context clearly teaches God's sovereign freedom, but it also repeatedly explains human exclusion in terms of unbelief and inclusion in terms of faith.
From Romans 7–11 alone, Paul appears to be defending God's faithfulness to His promises and explaining the place of Israel and the Gentiles in God's redemptive plan, while consistently identifying faith and unbelief as the immediate reasons people stand or fall.
I was going to refrain from the urge to engage in so much fun with brightframe, rogergitater, and jonseverins but, free willikers! I just can't help myself.
This is what happens when you put the word of Calvin above the Word of God.
The whole thing is so preposterous, as I have always believed and continue to believe it is psychological, Augustine, self-loathing, Calvin self loathing and a tyrant/narcissist so to whom will this doctrine hold appeal....hmm.
Not really a minor difference when the character of God is changed... I think.
Are you actually doing any thinking? What difference does it make whether I know the Gospel or not. Jesus Christ is the Good News and nothing I say or do will ever change that.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Our understanding, or lack of it will never change who He is.
You are an argumentative sort. If I had said Jesus Christ is not the Good News, you would have argued with that too.
You're Calvinism is nothing more than man's understanding of God, (ie. theology) and trying to replace Christ as the Gospel with Calvinism only shows how depraved your thinking has become.
But then, considering we reflect what we value and focus our hearts and minds on, is it any wonder?
The character of God is written in scripture. How is that changed?
Apostle creed, the is the main agreement.
I know tulip.
God is sovereign.
Well you can see here... # 11 977 by Sproul Jr. post on X..... which he took down after receiving much flack how the character of God is changed
Perhaps this is how you view God?
My view of God is from the scripture. His way is Higher, His mind is Higher. When He create heaven and earth, where am I? I will not use my little brain to say God should be this way or that way. I will use my brain to do my best to follow God.
Read the book of job.
So Naaman could not choose to disbelieve. Naaman was forced to be healed. Forced to be saved.
If this is how God works... I'm not going to do anything to witness. I'm not going to pray for help or ask for anything because God will force me to choose what I need if I'm privileged enough to be part of the elect. Sad. if God is like this we serve an awful god.
We must keep in mind that we are being watched by angels.It is really quite audacious to assert Calvinism is the Gospel... especially considering the message of Calvinism causes the words of
Christ to be impotent.
According to them, the Bible and the very words of Jesus are useless to a person unless God decides to regenerate that particular person first.
Yes indeed, it an audacious claim to make about God, His message of Good News and His written revelation to mankind.
For we are playing out before their eyes the very same kind of conflicts that they faced
when it was time for the angels to decide whom they would follow, either Lucifer, or the Lord.
They, too, were subject to all kinds of deceptions, lies, and excuses like we see with some here.
So when fallen angels see disingenuous believers attempting to distort what the Scriptures teach us?
And, in their hearts they condemn such believers as being unworthy to call themselves God's children?
In God's wisdom He had Jesus die on the Cross for such actions, so these believers remain saved.
But as far as when the fallen angels condemn such deceptions and inane denials?
They are vindicating God's judgment of themselves for what they refused to repent of.
And, in doing so?
Leaving such fallen angels to be without an appeal to get out of the Lake of Fire.
Leaving them to be without excuse for what is coming to them because they are condemning the very sins they themselves do as their own lifestyle of denial and self-justification.
By God allowing such contrary believers to remain alive on earth?
God is making His enemies into His footstool by having them condemn their own selves by what they condemn in wayward Christians.
That's why we see what they do without God striking them dead.
Allowing them to live another day in spite of their sins and evil thinking against God's Word.
Yes, God has a purpose in what we see that breaks our hearts.
Grace and peace ........
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