I have heard about the "virtues" of abandoning rational mind from Indian religions but not yet seen any such teaching in the Bible.
Can you show us that in scripture?
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Can you show us that in scripture?
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Thaddeus
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We are to rely on the Holy Spirit to lead us into truth. He believes his rational mind can lead him into spiritual truth. Possibly you agree with him
The plain words of scripture say the spirits of just men made perfect reside in heaven. How can you be so dense?
But you have come to mount Zion, and the city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem; and to myriads of angels, to the festival and to the assembly of the firstborn having been registered in the heavens, and to God the judge of all, and to spirits of the righteous having been perfected, and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, speaking better than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24
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Thaddeus
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One of us is spiritually dense that is for sure
How were they made perfect? By Jesus shed blood
Something that had not happened when you believe Moses attained to Heaven!
Elijah was seen ascending into heaven in a fiery chariot. You either have a stiff neck and a contrary spirit, or you are just ignorant of scripture..
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 2 Kings 2:11
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Thaddeus
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Well firstly, why quote scripture, in your world you can overturn it whenever you need to!
You need to read the bible as one cohesive whole
Have you never heard the phrase. Do not build a doctrine on one verse of scripture?
That is the only verse that says anyone went straight to Heaven, and if taken literally contradicts the words of Christ, the writer of Hebrews and much else besides. In Elijah's case, we must assume Heaven means paradise
The Bible instructs us to "believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God" (1Jhon:4).
That is because there are many imposters, and the Holy Spirit has a distinct character that we can learn to recognize.
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance:
2 Timothy 1:7
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
I would think that a "sound mind" is a mind that is still rational, but able to receive thoughts, corrections and instructions from it's maker.
There would be more humility in such a mind than what there is in any of us, because there is an inclination in man to dictate to God.
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Thaddeus
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It is hard for man to rely on the Spirit to learn rather than himself, especially if he has a good academic mind
It is true our souls go to heaven when we die, but at the resurrection body and soul are reunited and we have the kingdom on earth for a 1000 years followed by eternity. Do you agree? Would be nice to have some common ground im here to make friends not enemies.
What I believe is:
The last days started during the 1st coming and will end at the 2nd coming and at the second coming a remnant of the people of Israel will repent and be joined to His body, the Church and at the second coming we will receive our glorified bodies. This is followed by the sabbath of the earth so to speak, the thousand year reign. That is followed by the new heaven and new earth and eternity starts.
I believe I can prove all of the above from Scripture, do you agree or not?
He who slays with the sword must be slain by the sword, he who leads into captivity must be led into captivity. Such "blood lust" is not expressed by me, but by the Lord himself - and his martyrs: "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”. You should ask yourself why you're defending these beastly terrorists who openly celebrated massacring women and children on the street on Oct. 7.
Jesus is a "prophet like Moses", Deut. 18. If you don't know Moses, neither will you know Jesus. Jesus said this himself in the parable of Lazaras and the rich man. In the grave the rich man begged father Abraham to send someone from the dead to warn his brothers, father Abraham told him, since they didn't listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they listen to somebody risen from the dead.
And you are? With your non sense？And antisemitism?
No, you're not understanding the questions.
You said are you like them, who is them? That's not a trick question. It's direct.
Seems like you understand the question after all. Who is the reprobate?
CZs believe that Jews have a right to a homeland. Do you agree or disagree?
So they are the Jews? And you're saying Jews aren't persecuted? What happened on Oct 7.
That's the same asS any lost sinner. That was YOU before you came to the Lord!
Jews again right?
Still the Jews. And you don't see your post as racist at all huh? That speaks volumes.
You asked me to demonstrate why, I gave you exactly what you asked, in the Lord's own words.
Whatever you'd like to call it, nobody ascends to a "heavenly Jerusalem".
Do you believe in the resurrection of the body, or the eternality of the soul? "So many verses" don't matter, it has been proven that many bible verses can be quoted to back anything, including genocide and socialism. The bible was not written for a p!ss contest to see which party can throw out more bible verses to back their crazy ideas.
It depends on the verse. Sometimes it means the last days of Israel after the flesh and sometimes it means the last days of the times of the gentiles, ie, when the lord returns to set up his kingdom.