1948 Not THE Fulfillment of Prophecy

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
That kind of theolgizing will get you into trouble
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Really?
So in your christianity, many plain scriptures are OK to overturn, because they do not line up with one literal scripture, which must be accepted as written and cannot be brought into line with the many but must overrule them
I wouldn't call that mature christianity
Then of course, you tried to defend Moses entering Heaven perfect when he died, when scripture says at that time he wasn't. Your defence was, based on your quote from Heb12 that referred to people who had been covered by Christ's shed blood. Which obviously had not happened when Moses died and you believe went straight to Heaven
 
Thaddeus said:
Really?
So in your christianity, many plain scriptures are OK to overturn, because they do not line up with one literal scripture, which must be accepted as written and cannot be brought into line with the many but must overrule them
I wouldn't call that mature christianity
Then of course, you tried to defend Moses entering Heaven perfect when he died, when scripture says at that time he wasn't. Your defence was, based on your quote from Heb12 that referred to people who had been covered by Christ's shed blood. Which obviously had not happened when Moses died and you believe went straight to Heaven
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Numerous dead people in Jerusalem were resurrected when Christ died (Matthew 27:52-53). Where did they go?
 
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Numerous dead people in Jerusalem were resurrected when Christ died (Matthew 27:52-53). Where did they go?
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I can understand why you want to avoid facing your glaring error concerning Moses going straight to Heaven perfect when he died.
As you've chosen-obviously to ignore my post showing you your eror, I will ignore your question now, it is not relevant anyway to where Moses went when he died
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Yes, definitely.
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Wonderful, thats two out of three points we agree on, so I suggest in what I said you would disagree with only this one part I will highlight, correct?

"The last days started during the 1st coming and will end at the 2nd coming and at the second coming a remnant of the people of Israel will repent and be joined to His body, the Church and at the second coming we will receive our glorified bodies. This is followed by the sabbath of the earth so to speak, the thousand year reign. That is followed by the new heaven and new earth and eternity starts."

ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
It depends on the verse. Sometimes it means the last days of Israel after the flesh and sometimes it means the last days of the times of the gentiles, ie, when the lord returns to set up his kingdom.
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I have to look into that concept, would Daniel 8 and Daniel 12 be the last days of gentiles or Israel after the flesh in your view?
 
Thaddeus said:
I can understand why you want to avoid facing your glaring error concerning Moses going straight to Heaven perfect when he died.
As you've chosen-obviously to ignore my post showing you your eror, I will ignore your question now, it is not relevant anyway to where Moses went when he died
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Why did the lord dispute with the devil over the body of Moses? Satan had a right to take it. The only logical conclusion is the lord wanted him in heaven, which other scripture witnesses to.

Here's another one for you. Who are the 24 elders seated in heaven? They declare that they have been redeemed by the lamb's blood, which means they are men who were once on earth.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:9-10​
 
ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Why did the lord dispute with the devil over the body of Moses? Satan had a right to take it. The only logical conclusion is the lord wanted him in heaven, which other scripture witnesses to.

Here's another one for you. Who are the 24 elders seated in heaven? They declare that they have been redeemed by the lamb's blood, which means they are men who were once on earth.

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:9-10​
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You quoted the following to support your view Moses died and went straight to Heaven perfect:
But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

I can only conclude, you did not know the above refers to people covered by Christ's shed blood, that is why they have been made perfect. Something that had not happened when Moses died
A good example of the rational mind not leading into spiritual truth
 
Vucesa said:
Wonderful, thats two out of three points we agree on, so I suggest in what I said you would disagree with only this one part I will highlight, correct?
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I agree with that.

Vucesa said:
I have to look into that concept, would Daniel 8 and Daniel 12 be the last days of gentiles or Israel after the flesh in your view?
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Daniel's a tough one. atm I think chapter 8 pertains to the nation of Israel and chapter 12 pertains to the end of the age of the nations. That was why Daniel was told to seal the vision. That vision was later given to John in Revelation (the little opened scroll) and John was told to reveal it's contents. That occurred only after the last standing part of the nation of Israel was destroyed.
 
How could Moses of gone to heaven when John 3:13 states no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 
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WayneNSO said:
How could Moses of gone to heaven when John 3:13 states no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
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He obviously could not, and the writer of Hebrews does state when the OT saints died they died imperfect. The imperfect cannot enter Heaven
 
WayneNSO said:
Could you please expand on that as to what you mean ?
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ChristRoseFromTheDead

Post in thread 'Is this a conflict?'

I think what Jesus meant by this oddly worded verse

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13​

is in reference to this

For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we...​

ChristRoseFromTheDead

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Thaddeus said:
Does not say they came down from Heaven does it. Lets quote about what includes Moses:
Jesus words can be relied upon:

NO ONE has ever entered Heaven, except the one who came from Heaven, the son of man John3:13:
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Actually they did come down from heaven because they were standing on earth.

In John 3:13 Jesus was saying that no man can ascend to the father to learn God's will and then return to earth to teach mankind. Only the one who descended from the bosom of the father in heaven is able to teach mankind God's will.

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that...​
 
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