Calvinism is Gospel !

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According to the Non Free Willers /No Ability Promoters

God is fine with people staying within their DEAD nature and choosing more and more degenerate behavior.

After the DEATH in the Garden, what God could NOT tolerate was mankind choosing to respond through faith to His promises and

receive the salvation He offers.

So He gave Adam and Eve a DEAD nature so that they hated God, they had some choices, but Augustine tells us their mind, will

and emotions were so corrupted and all they wanted to do was sin and now everyone else is born with Adam's guilt, born hating

God, so evil is this heart they cannot even recognize truth, even in utero, that baby can't wait to be born so it can blaspheme God

every minute of its new life.

Yes this was the new DEAD nature that God wanted all humans to be born with.. born God haters, born vile and wicked to the core.

God gave the DEAD man a complete total inability to recognize TRUTH and respond to that TRUTH via the power of His

Holy words, because that would be a good fruit .......can't have that now can we... we only want the selected to be given the ability come tio Him!!


This of course ignores everything we see in the Old Testament and the New Testament. I mean how ridiculous.
 
Calvinism is the Gospel for every age. It is the truth for which and by which the Reformation of the Church of Jesus Christ took place in the 16th century. The Gospel has not changed since that time; Jesus Christ in His truth is the same yesterday, and today, and for ever. But the truth of the Gospel is largely lost and buried in the Protestant Churches in our day, including many who pride themselves on being "fundamental" and "evangelical." The Gospel is perverted by a message that is essentially the same as that message against which the Reformation fought and which on its part bitterly opposed the Reformation. In those days, Rome preached a salvation that had to be earned by man's own works, as indeed it still preaches today; Rome taught that men were righteous before God, in part, by their own works, as indeed it still teaches today. In our day, the Protestant Churches teach and preach that salvation depends upon man's own will; they proclaim that the sinner must achieve his own salvation by willing. This "gospel" of much of Protestantism and the "gospel" of Rome are one and the same. Essentially, there is no difference between them. This is the reason why many Protestant Churches, preachers, evangelists, and people find it possible to co-operate closely with the Roman Catholic Church, especially in the work of evangelism; and this is the reason why a great reunion with Rome on the part of many Protestants is in the offing. Rome says, "Salvation depends upon man working;" modern Protestantism says, "Salvation depends upon man willing." Both are saying the same thing: "Salvation depends upon man." The apostle lumps both of these variations of the same basic doctrine together in Romans 9:16, and condemns them: "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."
A Defense of Calvinism as the Gospel
 
brightfame52 said:
Calvinism is the Gospel for every age. It is the truth for which and by which the Reformation of the Church of Jesus Christ took place in the 16th century. The Gospel has not changed since that time; Jesus Christ in His truth is the same yesterday, and today, and for ever. But the truth of the Gospel is largely lost and buried in the Protestant Churches in our day, including many who pride themselves on being "fundamental" and "evangelical." The Gospel is perverted by a message that is essentially the same as that message against which the Reformation fought and which on its part bitterly opposed the Reformation. In those days, Rome preached a salvation that had to be earned by man's own works, as indeed it still preaches today; Rome taught that men were righteous before God, in part, by their own works, as indeed it still teaches today. In our day, the Protestant Churches teach and preach that salvation depends upon man's own will; they proclaim that the sinner must achieve his own salvation by willing. This "gospel" of much of Protestantism and the "gospel" of Rome are one and the same. Essentially, there is no difference between them. This is the reason why many Protestant Churches, preachers, evangelists, and people find it possible to co-operate closely with the Roman Catholic Church, especially in the work of evangelism; and this is the reason why a great reunion with Rome on the part of many Protestants is in the offing. Rome says, "Salvation depends upon man working;" modern Protestantism says, "Salvation depends upon man willing." Both are saying the same thing: "Salvation depends upon man." The apostle lumps both of these variations of the same basic doctrine together in Romans 9:16, and condemns them: "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."
A Defense of Calvinism as the Gospel
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Your doctrine asserts babies burn in hell eternally because they are born guilty of Adam's sin. Hard pass.
 
HeIsHere said:
Your doctrine asserts babies burn in hell eternally because they are born guilty of Adam's sin. Hard pass.
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I believe we are all born in sin. I also believe in an age of accountability. What that age is I have no idea. But believing a day old baby is doomed for hell unless one of the calvanite "chosen" is as you say a hard pass.
 
DeanM said:
I believe we are all born in sin. I also believe in an age of accountability. What that age is I have no idea. But believing a day old baby is doomed for hell unless one of the calvanite "chosen" is as you say a hard pass.
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Most Calvinists will shy away from owning that.. but some do.

We are born dead, which means separated from God, Yes I agree, however it was Augustine I believe who formulated and added in the idea we are also born guilty of Adam's sin... and this is the original sin we often hear about.

We will sin because we are born out of fellowship with God but we are guilty of our own sin.

I'm fully convinced that Augustine has done more damage to the Church by being involved in it, than he ever could have by remaining a Manichaen that was against it.

Anyway glad you have the hard pass on that!
 
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The genesis of apostasy of total inability started with Augustine

Its seems like Pelagianism only existed in the mind of Augustine, for he having the audacity to critique Augustine's "Confessions.

Wow, scholars studying the manuscripts are finding it was a fictional construct attributed to him.
Not surprised... more jello!
 
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The reaction was emotional
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Your post final line was A Defense of Calvinism is the Gospel... and part of that system is babies burn in hell, it is the inescapable conclusion of the system

Alright, alright the idea of babies burning in hell, is deeply disturbing to me, must be I am normal!
 
Anchorite said:
You thereby exalt a murderous man’s theology above the Bible.

The only thing that is the gospel is Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

To claim any man-made theology “is the gospel” is idolizing an imperfect system.
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Paul said, God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus, as proclaimed by my gospel.

I did wonder how many translations said that but stopped counting at 30.

Of course that was in Romans, more specifically Romans 2 v 16, and Scripture haters especially despise Romans.

Still, I hope you come to believe the Bible soon.

Speaking of which, are you ready to acknowledge yet that God instituted the death penalty?

I suggest reading the Bible to become familiar with it. Start at the beginning.

In the meantime I suggest you loosen your grip on your phallus and third eye teachings,
 
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HeIsHere said:
Your post final line was A Defense of Calvinism is the Gospel... and part of that system is babies burn in hell, it is the inescapable conclusion of the system
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Did you see in my post or the writings of what I posted anything about babies burning in hell ? Because thats not a doctrine of grace. Show me in the teachings defining TULIP anything about babies ! So you are reacting emotional and not theological
 
brightfame52 said:
Did you see in my post or the writings of what I posted anything about babies burning in hell ? Because thats not a doctrine of grace. Show me in the teachings defining TULIP anything about babies ! So you are reacting emotional and not theological
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If they are not "elect/selected" where do they go?
 
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Magenta said:
are you ready to acknowledge yet that God instituted the death penalty?
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Your dragon and unicorn occultism approves of the death penalty for persons holding non-Calvinist theological opinions?

You said Calvin advocating for the execution of his theological opponents was merely Calvin upholding civil law.

John Calvin was an arrogant, domineering, vindictive man. Calvinists tend to be like him.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Did you see in my post or the writings of what I posted anything about babies burning in hell ? Because thats not a doctrine of grace. Show me in the teachings defining TULIP anything about babies ! So you are reacting emotional and not theological
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Is she still bringing babies into the convo? She has a habit of doing that.

Eh, well, I proclaim the goodness and mercy of God. She says He is unfair.
 
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