Calvinism is Gospel !

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Romans 8:29

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son,
that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

The 'first born' in the ancient culture indicated being the head of the household, just after the Father.

To be conformed to the image of His Son?
Meant to be bone of His bone and flesh of of His Glorified Resurrection Body.
A body just like His own!

AGAIN! That speaks of us, being the Bride of Christ!
It does not pertain to all believers who will believe in Jesus outside of the Church age.

For Moses is like John the Baptist. He is the friend of the Groom.
Moses will not be resurrected as the Bride of Christ.
In Rom 8:29 are there Gentiles in them He foreknew ? Yes or no
 
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Romans 9 verse 18; John 6 verse 44; John 6 verse 65; John 6 verse 37; John 6 verse63; Titus 3 verse5 ~ God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. He saved us because of His mercy, through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Sure, but when one rejects God, has any power been exercised towards them. The gospel is the power of God for those who believe...Romans 1:16. This is not said to be so for those who do not believe.

Two individuals attend a service and audibly hear the same message. One responds in repentance and obedience. The other remains dead in trespass and sin. What occurred? Are the results due to the individuals themselves, or did God exercise grace towards one and not the other?
God exercises His grace in presenting them that which they should believe, where 'should' is a conjugation of can and/or will, like could, would, shall, etc. So that when God says, 'but you wouldn't,' He is inherently referring to His recognition of their will.
 
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From: John 8 verse 34; 2 Peter 2 verse 19a; Galatians 4 verse 8; Romans 7 verse 14; Ephesians 2 verse 3b; Romans 6 verse 6 ~ “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.” They are slaves of corruption. When you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. You were of the flesh, sold under sin. We were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Our old self was crucified so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
 
So then you dont believe Jesus saved all for whom He died b4 they believed. Then how is that Faith in Christ as Saviour ?


..... Jesus had done everything needed to save any person wanting to know God.
What does that tell you?
What person did He not save who wanted to know God?
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Sure, but when one rejects God, has any power been exercised towards them. The gospel is the power of God for those who believe...Romans 1:16. This is not said to be so for those who do not believe.

You are not careful enough...
What it does not say?

The gospel is the power of God for those who are to believe, to make them believe...Romans 1:16.

It does not say that.
But, that is what TULIP-inists say it is.
 
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In Rom 8:29 are there Gentiles in them He foreknew ? Yes or no

God grafted in Gentiles into the vine that Jews had previously only knew, to make Jews rejecting Jesus Christ jealous!


So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means!
Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so
as to make Israel jealous." Romans 11:11​

As a boy I was envious of Christians around me when they celebrated Christmas and the Resurrection (Easter).
Easter as celebrated somewhat of a distortion, but it still told enough to see the death, burial, and resurrection in a most beautiful way.

Being left out made me sad and envious. Judaism to me was dead in comparison.
 
God exercises His grace in presenting them that which they should believe, where 'should' is a conjugation of can and/or will, like could, would, shall, etc. So that when God says, 'but you wouldn't,' He is inherently referring to His recognition of their will.
The person preaching is exercising grace in sharing the word of God. If God exercised grace...power, salvation would have followed. Unless, of course, you believe that when God exercises His power, He fails to accomplish His purpose.
 
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The person preaching is exercising grace in sharing the word of God. If God exercised grace...power, salvation would have followed. Unless, of course, you believe that when God exercises His power, He fails to accomplish His purpose.

Those who preach the Gospel are thinking TULIP?
They are not preaching in grace.
They preach in law...
 
You are not careful enough...
What it does not say?

The gospel is the power of God for those who are to believe, to make them believe...Romans 1:16.

It does not say that.
But, that is what TULIP-inists say it is.
We are saved by grace.

This means we are saved by the exercise of God's power.

We are therefore saved by the activity of God; not what we do.

What we do is in response to what God has done.
 
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Ephesians 2 v 4-7 ~ Because of His great love for us, God, Who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. :)
 
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Thanks. Now to your question. Is grace offered to all. Yes. I'm sure you are familiar with common grace. God's power is manifest to all in Providence. The sun shines on all as does the rain fall on all. But that isn't what you really want considered. Is grace that saves applied to all? I would suggest that Romans 1:16 teaches against this. While God's power is exercised towards those who come to faith, the same is not stated towards those who do not believe. When I couple this with Isaiah 55:11, which teaches that God's word always accomplishes what it was sent forth to accomplish, a failure of God's word to effect salvation means that God's purpose in sending forth His word isn't always to save. But when it is, He exercises His power to that end.
Hold on I know God rains on the just and the Unjust alike. Also Times and seasons God ordain. That is not the grace by which we are saved through faith. Is 55:11 and Rom 2:16 do not over ride The words of Jesus who is the Supreme authority when HE is speaking even greater than John Calvin TULIP.

"a failure of God's word to effect salvation means that God's purpose in sending forth His word isn't always to save."

The issue with this statement is it doesn't take into consideration Jesus is the WORD. He came to save that which is lost. He said in John 3:16 the love of God for the world he gave his only son so that none should parish.

He also said why men don't get saved.


18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
 
Hold on I know God rains on the just and the Unjust alike. Also Times and seasons God ordain. That is not the grace by which we are saved through faith. Is 55:11 and Rom 2:16 do not over ride The words of Jesus who is the Supreme authority when HE is speaking even greater than John Calvin TULIP.

"a failure of God's word to effect salvation means that God's purpose in sending forth His word isn't always to save."

The issue with this statement is it doesn't take into consideration Jesus is the WORD. He came to save that which is lost. He said in John 3:16 the love of God for the world he gave his only son so that none should parish.

He also said why men don't get saved.


18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
Please don't tell me you too are overcome by CDS. I haven't mentioned TULIP. I have shared scripture.

Also, are you saying the words of Jesus are more authoritative than the rest of scripture?

There is much here I'm more than happy to address, but let's make sure we are on the same page. We agreed that we are saved by grace. We agreed that grace was unmerited favor and the exercise of God's power. In other words, we don't deserve be saved, but God acts mercifully on our behalf, and exercises His power in/on/through us to effect our salvation. Any objections to this point?
 

Yes they say that a lot..... just read the posts in this thread.

But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 20:31

Putting up barriers at every turn >>>people are born not able to respond in faith to the Gospel, people can not hear truth, people hate God, sin prohibits belief, God has to gift faith, God has to regenerate before before belief, God has to give a new heart, God has to choose a person, dead people cannot resurrect themselves.

Calvinism renders the message of the Gospel powerless.
Imagine the audacity to promote this and to usurp what Christ Jesus has proclaimed.
Those who preach this faulty soteriology should be troubled, but they are not.

"the called according to His purpose" - we are not called by a still, mysterious voice, new Gnosis, or by a internal direct operation of the Holy Spirit but by the GOSPEL!

2 Thess. 2:13-15
13But we should always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning a to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth.
14To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15Therefore, brothers, stand firm and cling to the traditions we taught you, whether by speech or by letter.
 
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