Where does scripture say all this?
God tried to get Lucifer to repent?
Satan using an excuse before the angels?
Calvinism is Gospel !
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God tried to get Lucifer to repent?
Satan using an excuse before the angels?
"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more
and more in knowledge and depth of insight." Philippians 1:9
One purpose of God is why we find ourselves baptized into a spiritual battle here on earth.
Here are some links for you to consider.
It can help to lay the foundation for what is needed to understand.
https://www.katycommunitychurch.org/lesson-1-the-angelic-conflict/
https://www.wenstrom.org/downloads/written/doctrines/satanology/angelic_conflict.pdf
And... https://rbthieme.org/ordering/publications/the--angelic--conflict
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No, but you confuse the addresses with the subject matter. For example, Paul addresses the Jews in order to teach both them and Gentiles about spiritual circumcision aka saving faith.
I was hoping you would provide me with scripture verses to support your claims that God tried to get Lucifer to repent and Satan used an excuse before the angels to justify his rebellion.
It is really hard to understand from the normal christian perspective why they cannot see..... an astute pastor, who is also a family
member told me, this is not a belief system but a indoctrination system.
That is when I began to understand it, it is like a programming, if you have ever had conversation with that certain "door to door: group you will know what I mean by programmed.
No matter how scriptural and actually quite obvious the truth is, it will never penetrate their heart and mind.
Most people who leave this system have some kind of life event that has brought on that "aha" moment where they can no longer bear the cognitive dissonance.
The more they assert their doctrine the more entrenched they become (this is true all around) so I am thinking the debate may only make it worse for them.
If God wanted to destroy Nineveh He would have done so, just like He did with Sodom and Gomorrah. He didn't send a prophet to to Sodom and Gomorrah. He simply destroyed them.
I'm sorry you don't understand simple scripture. Isaiah 55:11 makes it clear that when God sends forth His word, it accomplishes what He sent it forth to do. Since God's word was sent forth to Nineveh, and since they did get saved, God's purpose must have been salvation.
Verse 9 you quoted is a confession of faith on behalf of the Ninevites. That faith came by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. That we be the word of God that God sent by Jonah.
I’m sorry you don’t understand how God can threaten with a warning, expressing an intention to destroy, but if the people repent, God decides not to destroy them.
Nineveh exercised free will to stop being so evil. Thus, they were not in total depravity. They had at least a little bit of conscience in them, which the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah may not have had.
God’s purpose is for all to be saved, but some resist His will and perish.
Jonah 3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Ezekiel 33:11
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
1Timothy 2:3,4
3This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,
4who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
My lord, how can this be a thing... but they affirm it over and over again.
Makes no sense at all, how can anyone believe this!!!
You have zero understanding of total depravity.
It affects the whole person and does not mean as evil as can be.
Or totally incapable of doing anything good.
But I would not be surprised if you deliberately twist it.
As you have been known to do with many other things.
Where is your conscience?
It is apparent that what people are objecting to is their own made-up definitions instead of what terms actually mean.
While often misunderstood, the doctrine of total depravity is an acknowledgement that the
Bible teaches that as a result of the fall of man (Genesis 3:6) every part of man—his mind, will,
emotions and flesh—have been corrupted by sin. In other words, sin affects all areas of our being
including who we are and what we do. Everything is tainted by sin and “…all our righteous acts are
like filthy rags” before a holy God (Isaiah 64:6). We sin because we are sinners by nature.
Total depravity summarizes what the Bible teaches about the spiritual condition of fallen man.
Because the name “total depravity” can cause people to have wrong ideas about what is meant,
some people prefer to use terms like “total inability,” “righteous incapability,” “radical corruption”
or even “moral inability.” Yet what is important is not the name assigned to the doctrine but how
accurately the doctrine summarizes what the Bible teaches about the spiritual condition of fallen
man. No matter which name you use to refer to “total depravity,” the fact remains that when properly
understood it is an accurate description of what the Bible does teach on this important subject.
The total depravity of man is seen throughout the Bible. Man’s heart is “deceitful and desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9). The Bible also teaches us that man is born dead in transgression and sin (Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3, Ephesians 2:1-5). The Bible teaches that because unregenerate man is “dead in transgressions” (Ephesians 2:5), he is held captive by a love for sin (John 3:19; John 8:34) so that he will not seek God (Romans 3:10-11) because he loves the darkness (John 3:19) and does not understand the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14). Therefore, men suppress the truth of God in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18) and continue to willfully live in sin. Because they are totally depraved, this sinful lifestyle seems right to men (Proverbs 14:12) so they reject the gospel of Christ as foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:18) and their mind is “hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is unable to do so” (Romans 8:7).
The Apostle Paul summarizes the total depravity of man in Romans 3:9-18. He begins this passage by saying that “both Jews and Greeks are all under sin.” Simply put, this means that man is under the control of sin or is controlled by his sin nature (his natural tendency to sin). Then in the rest of this passage Paul quotes extensively from the Old Testament in explaining how sinful man really is. For example, we see that:
1—no one is without sin,
2—no one seeks after God,
3—there is no one who is good,
4—their speech is corrupted by sin,
5—their actions are corrupted by sin, and
6—above all, they have no fear of God.
So, when one considers even these few verses, it becomes abundantly clear the Bible does indeed teach
that fallen man is “totally depraved,” because sin affects all of him including his mind, will and emotions
so that “there is none who does good, no not one” (Romans 3:12). source
While often misunderstood, the doctrine of total depravity is an acknowledgement that the
Bible teaches that as a result of the fall of man (Genesis 3:6) every part of man—his mind, will,
emotions and flesh—have been corrupted by sin. In other words, sin affects all areas of our being
including who we are and what we do. Everything is tainted by sin and “…all our righteous acts are
like filthy rags” before a holy God (Isaiah 64:6). We sin because we are sinners by nature.
Total depravity summarizes what the Bible teaches about the spiritual condition of fallen man.
Because the name “total depravity” can cause people to have wrong ideas about what is meant,
some people prefer to use terms like “total inability,” “righteous incapability,” “radical corruption”
or even “moral inability.” Yet what is important is not the name assigned to the doctrine but how
accurately the doctrine summarizes what the Bible teaches about the spiritual condition of fallen
man. No matter which name you use to refer to “total depravity,” the fact remains that when properly
understood it is an accurate description of what the Bible does teach on this important subject.
The total depravity of man is seen throughout the Bible. Man’s heart is “deceitful and desperately wicked” (Jeremiah 17:9). The Bible also teaches us that man is born dead in transgression and sin (Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3, Ephesians 2:1-5). The Bible teaches that because unregenerate man is “dead in transgressions” (Ephesians 2:5), he is held captive by a love for sin (John 3:19; John 8:34) so that he will not seek God (Romans 3:10-11) because he loves the darkness (John 3:19) and does not understand the things of God (1 Corinthians 2:14). Therefore, men suppress the truth of God in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18) and continue to willfully live in sin. Because they are totally depraved, this sinful lifestyle seems right to men (Proverbs 14:12) so they reject the gospel of Christ as foolishness (1 Corinthians 1:18) and their mind is “hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is unable to do so” (Romans 8:7).
The Apostle Paul summarizes the total depravity of man in Romans 3:9-18. He begins this passage by saying that “both Jews and Greeks are all under sin.” Simply put, this means that man is under the control of sin or is controlled by his sin nature (his natural tendency to sin). Then in the rest of this passage Paul quotes extensively from the Old Testament in explaining how sinful man really is. For example, we see that:
1—no one is without sin,
2—no one seeks after God,
3—there is no one who is good,
4—their speech is corrupted by sin,
5—their actions are corrupted by sin, and
6—above all, they have no fear of God.
So, when one considers even these few verses, it becomes abundantly clear the Bible does indeed teach
that fallen man is “totally depraved,” because sin affects all of him including his mind, will and emotions
so that “there is none who does good, no not one” (Romans 3:12). source
Psalm 14 verses 1-3; Job 15 verse 16 ~ The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God. All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. Man is vile and corrupt.
Your post makes clear the need to harmonize the Romans passage with Matt. 4:17, 7:7 and 23:37 for starters.
Matthew 13 v 13-15 Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’”
How much do you know about the GAP theory of creation?
Do you understand it?
That the world we live in today is not the first world ever to grace the surface of this planet.
That a prehistoric creation came before this one and was destroyed after certain angels rebelled against God.
You are at a lost understanding the answer I gave you. How do you know you aren't lost altogether? How do you know that you won't be one that He ultimately declares, "I never knew you," especially considering that you insist that you did nothing to be saved?
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