That can only be answered by knowing whether it was his faith or the sick's that worked in the otherwise successful vocation.
Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?
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No, it can only be answered by scripture.
Matthew 10:1
"Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness."
The passage does not say "except Judas".
That Jesus gave them authority to cast out demons demonstrates that He was with them but that doesn't necessitate that they were all saved. With that said, I do not believe that Judas was ever past any chance of redemption at any time he still had breath in his body. Nor will I believe that of anybody as long as Jesus lives.
Because of your pride, even until now you have not come to know the one true God. Only those whom God has chosen are granted the bag.
That is why you deny the bag that God gives, because you do not know it, you were not granted it by Him.
Once again, the Lord is exposing you.
The bag you carry, which you claim contains God's words to feed those who read them, comes only from yourself.
Regarding what God wants to reveal to us, I suddenly remembered Paul and Barnabas. Both were chosen by the Lord. When they shared the truth with the people, they healed a man who was lame.
ACTS 14:7-10
7 And there they preached the gospel.
8 And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:
9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
When the people saw what they had done, they immediately began praising them.
ACTS 14:11-13
11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
13Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
However, Paul and Barnabas refused the praise that the people were giving them.
ACTS 14:14-15
14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
It is clear that Paul and Barnabas did not want to rob the Lord. They did not want to take for themselves the praise that rightfully belonged to Him. That is why they so strongly refused the praise that the people were giving them.
Therefore, if Paul and Barnabas rejected the praise that people gave them, but Judas accepts the praise that people give him, then the conclusion is that the Lord is saying to Judas, "You are robbing Me" (John 12:6)
I am not the one who has closed my mind. The truth is, the Lord Jesus has closed my mind to those who do not know the one true God, because no truth can be found in them.
This is what the Lord does for His chosen ones, including His lost sheep, so that they will not be deceived by anyone.
Therefore, it is only God's chosen people whom He protects from false teachings.
Our Father..."Do not lead us into temptation."
The "proper hermeneutical method" you are referring to has long been exposed by God.
It is a human method of studying and understanding the Word of God.
Those whom God has chosen will never put their trust in it, because they have been taught by the Lord Himself like an infant on how to read the Holy Scriptures under His guidance and watchful care.
This is how we were taught by the Lord God.
ISAIAH 28:9-10
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Your ignorance is on full display. You have ignored the context of the passage you quoted. That method is for people who have rejected the Lord’s goodness. You rely on a single translation that failed to catch the rhetorical question in the text.
““Who is it he is trying to teach? To whom is he explaining his message? To children weaned from their milk, to those just taken from the breast? For it is: Do this, do that, a rule for this, a rule for that; a little here, a little there.” Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues God will speak to this people, to whom he said, “This is the resting place, let the weary rest”; and, “This is the place of repose”— but they would not listen. So then, the word of the Lord to them will become: Do this, do that, a rule for this, a rule for that; a little here, a little there— so that as they go they will fall backward; they will be injured and snared and captured. Therefore hear the word of the Lord, you scoffers who rule this people in Jerusalem. You boast, “We have entered into a covenant with death, with the realm of the dead we have made an agreement. When an overwhelming scourge sweeps by, it cannot touch us, for we have made a lie our refuge and falsehood our hiding place.””
Isaiah 28:9-15 NIV
You are like them; you have made a lie your refuge and falsehood your hiding place.
I only believe in one translation, the translation of God’s truth in His Word.
With so many versions made of the Holy Book, people can no longer tell which one is true.
So what they do is simply agree with the version that matches their beliefs.
However, those chosen by God who know the one true God are guided by Him, and He teaches them which version is the truth.
What is sad about your lack of knowledge of the one true God is that you were not guided by God as to which version of the Bible is the truth.
That is why, without you knowing it you are the one adding to Scripture.
Why did you add the word “children” in Isaiah 28:9?
It cannot be “children” that the Lord is referring to "them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts".
One thing is for sure is that this discussion has revealed who is a follower of choice aka free will and who is a follower of the chosen doctrine.
Those who believe Judas and Saul never served God even under the Law most likely appear to be Reformed and those who believe the opposite but later chose themselves to rebel against God appear to be pro choice.
Those who believe Judas and Saul never served God even under the Law most likely appear to be Reformed and those who believe the opposite but later chose themselves to rebel against God appear to be pro choice.
You pile arrogance on top of your ignorance.
That’s completely ridiculous.
I didn’t.
Perhaps in your family, adults still breastfeed?
Therefore, what the Lord said was not about Judas alone.
Rather, anyone who shares in the Lord’s table is stealing from Him and will betray the Lord.
It just so happened that among the twelve, it was Judas who shared in the Lord’s table.
MARK 14:18
18 And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.
Therefore, what the Lord Jesus said is a great warning for all who read and believe in the Holy Book.
Sorry, what do you mean? It was not only Judas who shared in the Last Supper. We read the following:
(Mat 26:26) And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."
(Mat 26:27) Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you."
He gave the bread to the disciples, not just Judas, and told them to eat. He specifically told all of them to drink the wine, not just Judas.
Classic OSAS, and completely OSAS saved by faith alone without any judgment of works: Devils and sons of perditions can enter into the kingdom, so long as they believe like me in Christ!
Jas 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
You see. James says it right there, that devils also do well to believe and are saved with trembling!
And so, no doubt Judas also trembled by hanging himself into glory. Hitler too.
All sinners, transgressors, traitors, devils, sons of perdition, et all are unconditionally OSAS saved!, and entering into the glory of the Lord by also believing in the one God and Christ...
How much more so for me with my own littler transgressions from time to time!
Judas was a chosen apostle of Jesus, until he chose to be a traitorous son of perdition.
Jhn 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Although, he may indeed have believed he was hanging himself into glory by his faith alone in Christ.
False. It's impossible for OSAS believers to answer anything other than Judas Iscariot saved by faith alone in Christ, without any judgment of justification or condemnation by works.
Judas was a chosen apostle, and so he had to believe in Christ.
Nothing is impossible with OSAS.