Calvinism is Gospel !

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How about Paul in II Cor: 4? That is what is in play here...not bait and switch. If you can't bother to contend with that portion of
scripture because it is so explicit, please don' t try another until you say why you think Paul is wrong.

Are you one of those people who hold Paul as not authorative?

Let's try my way. Not you changing the scene because that is how you roll.
Grace and peace.
 
I was just teaching on the book of Job and what you said here reminded me of Job's friends:

Job 42:7 And it was so, that after the Lord had spoken these words unto Job, the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.

To call God unfair for the very things the Holy Scriptures record Him as doing is exactly that, and the apostle Paul did expect this response:

Romans 9:19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?

Be careful with Romans. Paul is not telling anyone to follow the law. He is telling everyone to follow Christ.

Salvation is through Christ.
 
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Grace and peace.

Uh huh. Stay behind the curtain then. You are still saying volumes.

1Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God, having this ministry as we have received mercy we do not lose heart. 2But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. 3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. II Cor. 4

There it is again. Jesus. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Calvinism is basically a lie and Calvin is not even the one who created it.
 
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No one is born opposing the Good News of Christ Jesus.
Do you deny the doctrine of original sin? There is a doctrine called federal headship that should be taught to people, if you have not heard of it you can look it up.

You are either in Adam or in Christ.
 
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Do you deny the doctrine of original sin? There is a doctrine called federal headship that should be taught to people, if you have not heard of it you can look it up.

You are either in Adam or in Christ.

My statement is no bearing on the concept of original sin... even original sin does not stipulate that all mankind is born unable to respond positively to the Good New of Christ Jesus.

Original sin is a doctrine Augustine developed whereby all mankind not only died in Adam but also all mankind bears his guilt.
 
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No, Jesus is the gospel. His life, death and resurrection .... the good news.

Calvinism presents a god who chooses and rejects. Yet, the Bible states whosoever will meaning anyone.

You do not comprehend this though because you believe Calvinism instead of salvation through Christ.
You are painting a picture where a sinner is crying out to God and God just rejects him and says "YOU ARE NOT CHOSEN!"

That is NOT what the Bible teaches. You are attacking a strawman. The thing is that there is no one seeking God! Man in Adam LOVES his sin. God will not turn away anyone who comes in repentance
 
Salvation is through Christ.

Sorry, I'm sure I've misunderstood you, but just for clarification, didn't you just imply that it is up to man to repent? And if repentance
is, according to you, a requirement for salvation, then how do you say that salvation is through Christ? Or is it that repentance not a requirement for salvation? What am I missing here?
 
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Uh huh. Stay behind the curtain then. You are still saying volumes.

1Therefore, having this ministry by the mercy of God, having this ministry as we have received mercy we do not lose heart. 2But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. 3And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. II Cor. 4

There it is again. Jesus. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Calvinism is basically a lie and Calvin is not even the one who created it.
I asked you 2 questions that would have corrected your theology and doctrine.

We are, in fact, saved by grace. And grace is the exercise of God's power on/in/through an individual. Ergo, an individual is saved by what God does.

Anything added to this can only be things that accompany salvation. They cannot be its cause.

It's not difficult.
 
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Do you deny the doctrine of original sin? There is a doctrine called federal headship that should be taught to people, if you have not heard of it you can look it up.

You are either in Adam or in Christ.
True....

But, once we believed in Jesus Christ?
This is what happened to Adam!

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ
lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the
Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
When we sin?
We are imitating our old self!
Our old self (in God's eyes) has been crucified and no longer lives.
 
You are painting a picture where a sinner is crying out to God and God just rejects him and says "YOU ARE NOT CHOSEN!"

That is NOT what the Bible teaches. You are attacking a strawman. The thing is that there is no one seeking God! Man in Adam LOVES his sin. God will not turn away anyone who comes in repentance

Where did you get his from? You may have me mixed up with a Calvinist...sounds like it :unsure:
 
All that is the result of grace. It does accompany salvation; it doesn't result in salvation.

Do you believe salvation is by grace?
Through God's grace, he has provided man with an opportunity to be saved through repentance and faith in the gospel of Jesus.
 
I asked you 2 questions that would have corrected your theology and doctrine.

We are, in fact, saved by grace. And grace is the exercise of God's power on/in/through an individual. Ergo, an individual is saved by what God does.

Anything added to this can only be things that accompany salvation. They cannot be its cause.

It's not difficult

Just can't deal with Paul, eh? ok then

Let's check out what was going on with Ezekiel back in the days before Christ when Israel could not, for the life of them, keep it together.

Ergo, what was really going on back then. It's not difficult. Ezekiel 36:26-27.

It does not matter what chapter in Ezekiel a person wishes to discuss, Gentiles in the 21st C or any Gentile in any C, are not the recipient of Ezekiels prophetic words.

God addresses Ezekiel from the top of the chariot throne and calls him as a prophet ( cahpters 1-3). The purpose of that? Ezekiel was to ACCUSE Israel (since they had forsaken God and were not filled with the Holy Spirit as we are today) of BREAKING their covenant agreement with their God. Israel has gone awhoring (Bible type expression) after other gods and worshipping
them which has led to terrible social injustices and violence.

God was warning Israel of the Babylonias attacking them, twice, with the 2nd time to the utter destruction of the temple and city being laid waste. You can continue to read of how Ezekiel went about warning Israel and what effect it had. That's a very brief synopsis but let's get right to your chosen chapter and verses.

By the time we get to that chapter, Israel has been taken captive by the Babylonians and God, ever mindful of His love for and promises to Israel, promises restoration through a new 'David' but as a Messianic king. God states He will remove Israel's hard hearts and send His Spirit into His people so that they will love and obey their God, the One with whom they had entered into
covenant.

Ezekiel 38-39 God states He will ultimately defeat evil among the nations. Chapters 40-48, describe how God's presence will one day return to His people and the temple will be rebuilt. Scholars are devided as to whether or not these things are literal or symbolic.

But one thing we can be sure of. God was addressing Israel through Ezekiel and not Amercians or Norwegians. This tends to be the 'proof' of Calvinists and those who prefer to believe that way but do not wish to be called by that moniker, say therein is the proof that God alone is responsible for salvation and gets you 'saved' so that you will understand the gospel...the op belives Calvinsim is the gospel meaning, I suppose, that we have no choice in salvation since God has us earmarked and there is nothing we can do about it and thus we have the birth of limited atonement.

This may create a warm feeling in the hearts of good Calvinists everywhere but Ezekiel was God's prophet to Israel.

And finally, Jesus addresses the work of transformation through the new covenant when He spoke of being born again in John 3. Paul, addresses it in II Corinthians as per scripture.



b. A new heart and put a new spirit: Jesus referred to this great work of spiritual transformation through the new covenant when He spoke of being born again in John 3. Paul spoke of it when he wrote of believers being new creations in Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17).
17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

The position in which to enjoy spiritual renewal, is to be IN Christ. We receive the Holy Spirit....we are born into God's family and God accepts BECAUSE of the sacrifice of Jesus.

The idea of limited atonement is not biblical. The only way salvation is limited, is in the rejection of God's grace through Jesus.

I cannot possibly deal with the meaning of Jesus blood being shed as pertains to the sacrifical systme of the OT, or the history of Israel or the fact prophecy on their behalf is still to be fullfilled, in this or any other thread. The BDF is not a teaching platform even though many think it is and what I wrote above, is a very tight, very succint explanation of a topic that people, who really want to understand, spend long hours studying.

It is not, never has been and never will be, an explanation of God putting His Spirit into UNREPENTANT, UNSAVED AND SINFUL individuals so that they will accept the gospel. The problem with people who think the entire OT was written for their benefit is that they do not comprehend the fact that Israel is still God's chosen people, no other nation has ever been in a covenant relationship with God and that includes this one.
 
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