Complete Continuationism

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jonathanbchristian

jonathanbchristian

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It is obvious that most of Christianity embraces some form of Cessationism. Not all would be considered Cessationist because they believe in the works of the Holy Spirit today, such as, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, miracles, and gifts of the Spirit. Yet, they still hold a form of Cessationism in the aspect of the offices of the Church. For example many Pentecostals and Charastamics believe in tongues and interpretation which is a gift of the Spirit but do not believe in prophecy which is another gift of the Spirit. It seems hypocritacal to except some of the gifts of the Spirit and not all of them. There are a few groups which I consider 'complete Continuationist', that believe everything in the New Testament is continueing today in one way or another. For example the Apostlic Church (not to be confused with Apostolic Oneness) believes that apostles and prophets do exist today. The Latter Rain movement (though it had problems with false doctrine) was founded on prophecies, which I believe are true prophecies from God. I know a few book writers that agree somewhat with complete Continuationism. Just a few examples of hope. I would encourage Pentecostals and Charasmatics who believe in the gifts of the Spirit to consider embracing all of the gifts of the Spirit in their belief. I would encourage them to consider why they are Cessationist to some degree. Like the Bible says we should not be luke-warm about things. I know as a Pentecostal believer that we believe in gifts of the Spirit but are not taught to expect prophecy.
 
zone

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hi jonathan.
there are no more prophets or apostles.
tongues were known human languages.

have you been receiving prophecies lately?
zone.
 
jonathanbchristian

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zone said:
hi jonathan.
there are no more prophets or apostles.
tongues were known human languages.

have you been receiving prophecies lately?
zone.
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Wow, I thought you were on vacation, although I thought you might be back soon. I still defend the KJV's interpretation of Paul saying he spoke in the tongue of men and angels. I believe it is human languages when it is human languages; it is also angelic languages.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
Wow, I thought you were on vacation, although I thought you might be back soon. I still defend the KJV's interpretation of Paul saying he spoke in the tongue of men and angels. I believe it is human languages when it is human languages; it is also angelic languages.
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yes, my vacation was quite nice. thank you.
and i'm grateful you were thinking about me.

Re: continuationism....i see.
so are you still receiving new revelations/prophecies directly from God?

i haven't seen any lately.

are there authoritative apostles today?

what language do angels speak?
we know when they speak to men its in human languages...same with the Lord.

did you know paul uses hyperbole?

and what do you mean the KJV "interpretation" of tongues? do you mean the word tongues? it always means human languages.

how's the Word of Faith heretical doctrine research going?
pretty scary stuff, huh?
zone.
 
jonathanbchristian

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zone said:
yes, my vacation was quite nice. thank you.
and i'm grateful you were thinking about me.

Re: continuationism....i see.
so are you still receiving new revelations/prophecies directly from God?

i haven't seen any lately.

are there authoritative apostles today?

what language do angels speak?
we know when they speak to men its in human languages...same with the Lord.

did you know paul uses hyperbole?

and what do you mean the KJV "interpretation" of tongues? do you mean the word tongues? it always means human languages.

how's the Word of Faith heretical doctrine research going?
pretty scary stuff, huh?
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I do not believe Paul was using anything without saying he was, which is evident in other Scriptures where he explains what he is doing. I believe the KJV is most accurate when it says "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels..."1 Corinthians 13:1. For Paul even to suggest that he could, is enough evidence to say that it is not unbiblical that he could. I believe he is saying that he did. But even if it is taken as a hypothetic, Paul is still saying it is possible.

I finished reading a book I had by a Word of Faith preacher, which had alot of false doctrine. I believe he is saved but his works are wood, hay, and stubble, at best. Most of his good material is borrowed stories from other people. Word of Faith is a heresy. It's not the kind of Pentecostalism I am used to.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
It is obvious that most of Christianity embraces some form of Cessationism. Not all would be considered Cessationist because they believe in the works of the Holy Spirit today, such as, the baptism of the Holy Spirit, miracles, and gifts of the Spirit. Yet, they still hold a form of Cessationism in the aspect of the offices of the Church. For example many Pentecostals and Charastamics believe in tongues and interpretation which is a gift of the Spirit but do not believe in prophecy which is another gift of the Spirit. It seems hypocritacal to except some of the gifts of the Spirit and not all of them. There are a few groups which I consider 'complete Continuationist', that believe everything in the New Testament is continueing today in one way or another. For example the Apostlic Church (not to be confused with Apostolic Oneness) believes that apostles and prophets do exist today. The Latter Rain movement (though it had problems with false doctrine) was founded on prophecies, which I believe are true prophecies from God. I know a few book writers that agree somewhat with complete Continuationism. Just a few examples of hope. I would encourage Pentecostals and Charasmatics who believe in the gifts of the Spirit to consider embracing all of the gifts of the Spirit in their belief. I would encourage them to consider why they are Cessationist to some degree. Like the Bible says we should not be luke-warm about things. I know as a Pentecostal believer that we believe in gifts of the Spirit but are not taught to expect prophecy.
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Where do you get that from? Why wouldn't Pentecostals and Charismatics believe in prophecy? It's especially these type of churches that believe and practice all the gifts, especially prophecy. Tongues are part of the prophetic gifts, so with the interpretation you would have prophecy right there. That doesn't make sense to me.
And apostles and prophets are part of the five-fold ministry, they do not cease to exist as well as the pastor, teacher and evangelist. But some churches have all kind of weird believes and doctrines that leave things out, no matter what denomination or non-denomination.
 
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Warrior777 said:
Where do you get that from? Why wouldn't Pentecostals and Charismatics believe in prophecy? It's especially these type of churches that believe and practice all the gifts, especially prophecy. Tongues are part of the prophetic gifts, so with the interpretation you would have prophecy right there. That doesn't make sense to me.
And apostles and prophets are part of the five-fold ministry, they do not cease to exist as well as the pastor, teacher and evangelist. But some churches have all kind of weird believes and doctrines that leave things out, no matter what denomination or non-denomination.
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I know personaly as a Pentecostal that we were never taught about prophecy and that many people do not believe in it or never consider it. It matters which Pentecostal church you attend. I would love to find more people who believed in the five fold ministry and prophecy.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
I would love to find more people who believed in the five fold ministry and prophecy.
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as you know jonathan,
i wouldn't recommend it.
it's not of God, since there are no more prophets or apostles. only false ones.
the N.A.R. is a dangerous outfit. but to each his own.

no Latter Rain, no huge revival....even if what you are talking about were the real Pentecostal miraculous gifts, the partial is ceased and that which is complete has come.

best wishes.
zone.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
It is obvious that most of Christianity embraces some form of Cessationism.
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Many of the historic churches didn't really embrace cessationsm. The term apostolic sucession signifies that no real break was made with earliest church tradition.

However, this term, and what it means, is debated. Some do claim that a physical chain of laying on of hands for ordination is necessary, while others claims that keeping doctrine and dogma pure is the real substance and content of the term.

One thing is sure however: we are to be very cautious and careful (kindly put) with any claims of apostles now living, supposedly having the same function that the original jewish apostles had. Even if that would give that some would call us "cessationists".
 
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jonathanbchristian said:

I know personaly as a Pentecostal that we were never taught about prophecy and that many people do not believe in it or never consider it. It matters which Pentecostal church you attend. I would love to find more people who believed in the five fold ministry and prophecy.
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Yeah, definitely seems to depend on the church, but I have been in numerous Pentecostal churches and Charismatic churches all over the world and so far they all did believe in prophecy. If they believe in tongues like I said they have to be, since it is prophecy with the interpretation.
 
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It seems to me like continuationists need to clean up their house, before they expect us to take them seriously.

A good video on false prophets, in the context of Corona virus.

Justin Peters looks at their false claims. He explains their deceptiveness in uttering prophecies, claiming to speak for God when it is basically expressing the thoughts of their vain imaginations.

 
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UnitedWithChrist said:
It seems to me like continuationists need to clean up their house, before they expect us to take them seriously.

A good video on false prophets, in the context of Corona virus.

Justin Peters looks at their false claims. He explains their deceptiveness in uttering prophecies, claiming to speak for God when it is basically expressing the thoughts of their vain imaginations.

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Continuationists don't have a "house" to clean up. I am not responsible in the least for the claims of others, but only for my own.

I've pointed this out before, but you've either ignored it or avoided it: you are employing the fallacy of guilt by association.

How about you get your house in order instead of pointing fingers at others.
 
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