And those nations will be on earth at the time of Jacob's trouble, Matthew 25.
Calvinism is Gospel !
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All the commentaries I have read, including Matthew Henry, Jamieson Fawcett and Brown, and Adam Clarke, all say that the other sheep not of this fold are Gentiles. Who do you say John 10:16 means? Jesus says that He knows His sheep, and they know Him. Do you believe that Gentile Christians are not known by Jesus Christ, and they do not know Him?
The other sheep are the Northern tribes of Israel that had lost their identity after the Assyrian captivity - Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
But even if we take "Israel" as referring to the 10 Northern tribes, Matthew 15:24 does not call them "sheep." If the sheep of Good Shepherd know Him, and are known by Him, you need to explain how Gentiles can become Christians without knowing Christ or being known by Christ. However, I feel we are both straying from the topic of the thread, so I will leave it there,
And hear His voice. And follow Him. His way would make Psalm 23 irrelevant to Gentiles.
Yet to be supported by scripture, but I mean that is basically TULIP a system of eisegesis and un-contexualized verses.
But truly the worst part is, it does not even bother you, it is not about truth it is about defending the false tenets.
What is plainly obvious is this common trait to misrepresent what we say over and over again.
Agree on the "wow"
I've noticed a few times in here they will post a message saying you (as in the one they are replying to) are wrong, then in the same message say actually what was said in the first place - its makes me wonder if im losing my mind lol
No such thing as grace being offered to anyone through Jesus Christ. Grace is given through Christ
Rom 12:3,6
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
1 Cor 1:4
I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
Eph 4:7
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
You see the main flaw of people who have let the tenets of TULIP come into their mind is they read scripture as being highly individualized, that is a real problem .
I know that there are a series of proof texts that are cycled through over and over again.
The verse is written to a corporate body and the church is caught in the Jew/Gentile controversy.
I could go into the grammar but probably not worth the effort.
We can see that Paul is communicating the same thing he did to the Gentiles in Ephesus, “But now in Christ Jesus you who were once far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ” (Eph. 2:13). “So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God” (Eph. 2:19).
You know I bet if you spent, say a year and went through all your proof texts and really did your due diligence, you would come out the other side and forsake TULIP!
But I am a realist, I am doubtful.
Read Matthew 25, nations during the time of Jacob's trouble.
Yes, Philippians is addressed to a body of believers, but what difference does that make to Paul saying that it had been granted to them not only to believe in Him (Christ) but also to suffer for His sake?You see the main flaw of people who have let the tenets of TULIP come into their mind is they read scripture as being highly individualized, that is a real problem .
I know that there are a series of proof texts that are cycled through over and over again.
The verse is written to a corporate body and the church is caught in the Jew/Gentile controversy.
I could go into the grammar but probably not worth the effort.
We can see that Paul is communicating the same thing he did to the Gentiles in Ephesus, “But now in Christ Jesus you who were once far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ” (Eph. 2:13). “So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God” (Eph. 2:19).
You know I bet if you spent, say a year and went through all your proof texts and really did your due diligence, you would come out the other side and forsake TULIP!
Given to believers to walk as a child of light. Offered to unbelievers to be saved.
Not in Matthew 25 in my Bible. That chapter includes the parable of the wise and foolish virgins, the parable of the talents, and teaching about the final judgment. Nothing about nations during the time of Jacob's trouble.
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