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Not once does the Bible say the natural man's will is free... in fact, quite the opposite, since
he is a slave to sin and captive to to the will of the devil, blinded to truth, opposed to the
Spiritual things of God, unable/incapable of submitting to God or obeying Him. But in the
mind of free willer/Pelagian heretics that is freedom. He hears the gospel as foolishness,
but the foolishness of free willers is that that person will choose to believe even though
Jesus said it is impossible. The natural man can no more change his God hating heart than
an Ethiopian can change the colour of his skin or a leopard his spots. He is unable to hear,
incapable of submitting to God, a lover of darkness, refusing to come into the light, hearing
the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God, to
which he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward while under the power and influence
of the devil, as is the whole world, out of which believers have been called.
 
brightfame52 said:
Its nothing else to say, you have publically labeled Jesus a failure in His Saving Mission.
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Only if you view it from Calvin’s point of view. Is God a failure who created man good and in his image, and that same man disobeyed him in return? Is God a failure who repented that he had made man on the earth and destroyed all but eight?
 
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Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.
 
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Magenta said:
Not once does the Bible say the natural man's will is free... in fact, quite the opposite, since
he is a slave to sin and captive to to the will of the devil, blinded to truth, opposed to the
Spiritual things of God, unable/incapable of submitting to God or obeying Him. But in the
mind of free willer/Pelagian heretics that is freedom. He hears the gospel as foolishness,
but the foolishness of free willers is that that person will choose to believe even though
Jesus said it is impossible. The natural man can no more change his God hating heart than
an Ethiopian can change the colour of his skin or a leopard his spots. He is unable to hear,
incapable of submitting to God, a lover of darkness, refusing to come into the light, hearing
the gospel as foolishness, unable to receive or comprehend the spiritual things of God, to
which he is opposed and to Whom he is hostile toward while under the power and influence
of the devil, as is the whole world, out of which believers have been called.
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22. Romans 6:1-14 describes s/e in terms of Christians being united with Christ’s death and resurrection, so they who are under grace should not allow sin to reign in their bodies but should instead serve God as instruments of righteousness.

23. Romans 6:15-23 describes s/e in terms of being slaves to whom one willingly obeys, whether to sin or to obedience of God’s teaching that leads to righteousness, which results in eternal life “in Christ Jesus our Lord” (cf. #10).
 
WayneNSO said:
Maybe from Bible collages where the professors think they being intellectual spreading it, because obviously they know better than God they have PHDS and DRs
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When I was in Bible college we had one teache teaching a class as if he were following Calvinism. I knew his way of thinking, and he was not a Calvinist. He was testing them to see if they can think for themselves. I told one student who was falling for it, that after a while the teacher will tell them that it was false teaching. He was just testing them to teach them a lesson. That student got indignant, and told me he is paying good money for the class it it better not be false. He was failing to realize that the pastor was hoping to teach them how to think. He presented them with the same arguments I have seen here.
 
brightfame52 said:
Did He save 100% of the ones He came to seek and to save ? Yes or No God sees your answer, so tell us ?
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Yes, Jesus came as a brother, and His mission was to reveal the Father, and the Father's will that all come to Christ and Christ's consent in drawing all to Himself. But if your judgment for not honoring your father according to the OC is grievous, how much more if you dishonor The Father according to the NC?
 
Cameron143 said:
Sure, but that doesn't change what I said. Being able to make choices isn't the same as having free will.

The will is subject to the nature of the entity in question. By your own admission you consent that what I stated is true. Being able to make choices is not the same as free will.
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Yes it is, it is simply a will bound to it's own nature.

Your problem is you think freedom is without restraint. It is not and never has been.
 
Genez said:
In the United States we have some very goatish states.
But within each state there will be sheep.
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And it's the same with nations. According to the Bible, God redeems sinners out of every nation:

(Rev 5:9 NKJV) And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

The idea of a whole nation consisting entirely of Christ's sheep isn't found in the Bible, except where Peter uses the word "nation" not to mean a geographical or political country, but to describe all Christians together:

(1Pe 2:9) But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
 
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WayneNSO said:
Sorry I forgot we are only to use a few verses of the entire Bible :)
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But we must take words from the Bible in their context. Joshua 24:15 was addressed to people who were already God's chosen people, Israel, but who were going astray, or backsliding. This is made clear in their answer in the very next verse:

(Jos 24:16) So the people answered and said: "Far be it from us that we should forsake the LORD to serve other gods;

If they had never known God, how could they talk of forsaking Him? We never (as far as I am aware) read of the apostles telling unbelievers to choose.
 
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DavidLamb said:
But we must take words from the Bible in their context. Joshua 24:15 was addressed to people who were already God's chosen people, Israel, but who were going astray, or backsliding. This is made clear in their answer in the very next verse:

(Jos 24:16) So the people answered and said: "Far be it from us that we should forsake the LORD to serve other gods;

If they had never known God, how could they talk of forsaking Him? We never (as far as I am aware) read of the apostles telling unbelievers to choose.
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So you are saying Gods chosen people had free will but the unchosen did not ?
 
If you did not believe in Free Will in the early church you were considered a heretic - today you are considered a pastor :)
 
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