Calvinism is Gospel !

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sawdust said:
Yes it is, it is simply a will bound to it's own nature.

Your problem is you think freedom is without restraint. It is not and never has been.
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Again you are wrong. I do not believe that. I don't believe freedom is without restraint. I believe free will has no restraints. We are all bound by our nature. Either the nature of the flesh or the divine nature. Free will is a myth. The closest any created being came to free will was Adam. Even he had restrictions upon him according to his nature.
 
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John146 said:
I should've said, speaking only of his disciples, and one was lost, the son of perdition.
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And those who would believe in Him. That's why Jesus said "neither pray I for these alone but..."

[Jhn 17:20 KJV] 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
 
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rogerg said:
And those who would believe in Him. That's why Jesus said "neither pray I for these alone but..."

[Jhn 17:20 KJV] 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
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Yep, no mention of some elect group, rather, those who would believe in the apostles preaching about Jesus.
 
John146 said:
You still have provided zero scripture from the Apostle Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, where he or anyone else referred to them a sheep. And you accuse me of straying from the truth.
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That is the modus operandi ......when confronted with information that does not fit in their tiny little schema of cherry picked verses devoid of any attempt to realize Jesus, Paul etc., were addressing audiences for different purposes and it not written to them individually!

Their entire Bible can be collapsed into....

1) Man disobeyed God.

2) god changed the nature of man so that man is born hating his creator and no longer is an image bearer.

3) Mankind is born separated from God (dead in Adam) but Augustine decided that was not enough so each man also carries the guilt of Adam's sin and at every turn mankind is filled with only evil from birth unable to respond positively to the Truth of God.

4) god hates most of humanity, but he is picking out a few who are special to him so Jesus died just for them.
 
Exodus 32
8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
9 And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
11 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.

14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
 
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HeIsHere said:
That is the modus operandi ......when confronted with information that does not fit in their tiny little schema of cherry picked verses devoid of any attempt to realize Jesus, Paul etc., were addressing audiences for different purposes and it not written to them individually!

Their entire Bible can be collapsed into....

1) Man disobeyed God.

2) god changed the nature of man so that man is born hating his creator and no longer is an image bearer.

3) Mankind is born separated from God (dead in Adam) but Augustine decided that was not enough so each man also carries the guilt of Adam's sin and at every turn mankind is filled with only evil from birth unable to respond positively to the Truth of God.

4) god hates most of humanity, but he is picking out a few who are special to him so Jesus died just for them.
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They follow a man who claimed God is the author of sin.
 
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John146 said:
They follow a man who claimed God is the author of sin.
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Tis true!

I am trying to get out of the dark ages (metaphor) and here we are still having to contend with this dark, man hating, preferential overlord nowhere found as scripture to be who God is!
 
John146 said:
All is only convenient to prove Calvinism in certain passages, but in other usages, let’s say it means something else.
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I'm sure you understand that words have several meanings and often context is employed to determine which is accurate.

Do a simple search.
 
John146 said:
Jesus was praying for his disciples and for those that would believe on him through his disciples.
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Thats who He specifically died for then, His apostles there with Him at the time, and them who shall believe in Him later through their word. That means through their preaching and or writings ie their epistles
 
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John146 said:
So, all kings and all who are in authority. It's not good to add to scripture to fit your theology. Change your theology to align with scripture.
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What did I say ? Whoever the Father wills to be saved, its Jesus mission to seek and to save that which was lost. Now did He seek and save all that the Father sent Him to seek and to save ?

Did not the Father send Christ here to save ? Jn 3

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
 
brightfame52 said:

A Defense of Calvinism as the Gospel​


Prof. David J. Engelsma

At its heart, however, Calvinism is theology, true religion; and this means doctrine. This is how we will be viewing Calvinism, here. We limit ourselves to a consideration of Calvinism as the Gospel.

Calvinism is the Gospel. Its outstanding doctrines are simply the truths that make up the Gospel. Departure from Calvinism, therefore, is apostasy from the Gospel of God's grace in Christ.
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writen by professor, & I am the foolish things of the world.


in the article:
The Bible is our Authority

in the article
"Calvinism is the Gospel. Its outstanding doctrines are simply the truths that make up the Gospel. Departure from Calvinism, therefore, is apostasy from the Gospel of God's grace in Christ"

in the article
....Calvin, but are concerned exclusively to follow God's eternal Son in our flesh, Jesus Christ, exactly by confessing these doctrines."

So you agree that The Bible is our Authority.

as I have heard it said let all creation behold The HOLY SCRIPTURES ( for they can't be broken)

what Calvinism is claiming is a interpretation of said Scriptures. To say you better follow my interpretation is nothing new.

I would say follow JESUS to the G-D of Jacob in Faith, & faith works by Love
 
PennEd said:
Hmmm…. Ya sure?I

John 6:44​

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44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.​

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Hmmm...Ya sure you understand who the pronoun "him" is referring to?

It's not simply anyone, it's referring to the people in Hebrews 11:6.

Hebrews 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please Him. For he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him

Again, those who the Father draws near to Jesus are those who diligently seek Him.

If you do not correctly identify the subject of the pronoun you will fall into the nonsense of election.
 
Cameron143 said:
I'm sure you understand that words have several meanings and often context is employed to determine which is accurate.

Do a simple search.
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But you not when it fits a certain theology, right? For all have sinned. Is this just Calvin’s elect? He is the saviour of all men. Well, in this case, all is only Calvin’s elect. Do you see hoe dumb this is? No one reading the Bible honestly would come up with this. One has to be indoctrinated into such a belief.
 
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