Once Saved Always Saved?

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notIbutChrist

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cronjecj said:
Do you keep His commandments all the time?

in Christ :)
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Not all the time. Let for argument say i am a full blown sinner. Does that mean God's word is untrue, or that God is not able to keep me from sin, or that you will not be judge for your sin.

Why would you care if I sin or not. God's word say do not sin, therefore you should not sin. We are to work out our own salvation.

Scripture tells us to remain stedfast, crucify our flesh, making manifest our Savior, working out our own salvation, purifying ourselves, cleansing ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God, making ourselves ready for our Bridegroom King (1st Corinthians 15:57 -58, 2 Corinthians 2:14, 7:1 Galatians 5:24 Philipians 2:12-13, 1st John 3:3). How I live my life does not change that, not does it exempt you from judgement
 
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notIbutChrist

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Abiding said:
What is the gist of the first 8 chapters of Romans? particularly 4&5?
by the way...its sinful to throw false accusations around..and also
false claims just to make a personal point.
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Abiding to the rescue. I have false accuse no one
 
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eternally-gratefull

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notIbutChrist said:
Abiding to the rescue. I have false accuse no one
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This guy is decieved. He can't see his own sin.. or refuses to admit them..He is a pharisee through and through
 
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cronjecj

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Those who sin willingly are under the wrath of God.

Those who sin unwillingly are under the grace of God.

Christ has not died so that we can be sinless, nay but to remove the penalty of sin.
 
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notIbutChrist

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cronjecj said:
Those who sin willingly are under the wrath of God.

Those who sin unwillingly are under the grace of God.

Christ has not died so that we can be sinless, nay but to remove the penalty of sin.
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The only way to remove the penalty of sin is to deliver us form sin itself
 
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cronjecj

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notIbutChrist said:
Not all the time. Let for argument say i am a full blown sinner. Does that mean God's word is untrue, or that God is not able to keep me from sin, or that you will not be judge for your sin.

Why would you care if I sin or not. God's word say do not sin, therefore you should not sin. We are to work out our own salvation.

Scripture tells us to remain stedfast, crucify our flesh, making manifest our Savior, working out our own salvation, purifying ourselves, cleansing ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God, making ourselves ready for our Bridegroom King (1st Corinthians 15:57 -58, 2 Corinthians 2:14, 7:1 Galatians 5:24 Philipians 2:12-13, 1st John 3:3). How I live my life does not change that, not does it exempt you from judgement
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Do you believe in works salvation?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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notIbutChrist said:
The only way to remove the penalty of sin is to deliver us form sin itself
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This makes no sense. The only way for this to be true is for God to give us a do over, and we live a life completely sin free.

If you have not been sin free since birth.l you are rightly condemened.

if you have been sin free. you would not need Christ. because you made it on your own merit Yet Scripture says ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT. . No one is saved, unless they are justifed, Which means they have been declared innocent of wrong doing. If your sinnless, you do not need to be justified. Or redeemed. or set free from the penalty..
 
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zone

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notIbutChrist said:
Very serious

1 John 2
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.



How did Jesus walk? He was sinless. If you claim His name and do not keep His commandment you are a liar, and the truth is not in you
Yes zone very serious indeed
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i wonder if you know what john is actually talking about? isn't it about "the love God"?

this idea that we who trust in the finished work of Christ are depraved licentious sinners pretending to be christians is quite sad.

John 8:31
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

ok.....i've done the heresy and delusion of sinless perfection enough for one day.
sadly, this doctrine causes the adherent to radically over-estimate his own performance, and under-estimate the requirements of the Law. john said it was self-deception and the one was devoid of truth.

in this doctrine Jesus on the Cross as a Propitiation makes a rare appearance.

have a wonderful day.
zone.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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notIbutChrist said:
Repent of my sinful nature? I was saved Dec 20, 2003.I was then given a new nature, the nature of Christ Himself
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then according to scripture, You HAVE eternal life right? You were sealed with the HS of promise who is your guarantee until the day of redemption.

so why do you think your eternal life is conditional. and Gods seal can be broken?
 
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cronjecj

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notIbutChrist said:
Repent of my sinful nature? I was saved Dec 20, 2003.I was then given a new nature, the nature of Christ Himself
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after 2003, did you repent of your unwillingly sinful nature?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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notIbutChrist said:
Because the bible says you can

Do you not believe in free will?
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where does the Bible say this?

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

How can the bible tell us we are decieved and liars if we say we have no sin, and at the same time say we can be sinless? Dies the bible contradict itself?
 
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zone

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notIbutChrist said:
You confuse love with hate

Right there you just defended sin
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oh dear. now i'm a hater?
are you fulfilling the Second Great Command today? or is the orwellian love is hate the gospel?

as for "defending sin", are you bringing that charge against the disciple Jesus loved?

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 
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