Who are the sons of God?

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Laodicea said:
Is that the best you got? You can't show any Bible so you just tell me I am believing lies. Also the text in Jude says that Enoch prophesied but, it does not mention a book of Enoch. Here is a text for you:-
1 Thessalonians 5:21
(21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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 Jude had mentioned Enoch so he must of read the book of Enoch, because Jude had never met Enoch face to face.
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Journey i understand your position...but Jude does not refer to a "book" but only to a prophecy.
Inspired by the Holyspirit does not make it necessary to have a book.

Do the math on the sizes of the hybrids and then tell me there are not any problems.
But honestly for the sake of unity understand that you cant say Jude "quoted" from a book.
Thats not provable from the text.
 
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Journey, when Jude quoted Enoch it was from the same scripture not from the book of Enoch..

Enoch is mentioned in genesis where it is said, Enoch was 350 years of age and he walked with God and God took him.

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The Bible never says they were angels. The word 'angel' is not in the text. I would agree that they were men. The importance of the story is the beginning of marriage and procreating on the Earth by mankind. It is telling us how marriage and childbearing began. The angels are not married or given in marriage, Matthew 22:30. They do not procreate. It is blaspheme to believe that angels even could procreate with women; we are not the same creation as the angels. Verse 3 of Genesis chapter 6 tells us that God was not angry with fallen angels but was angry with mankind. Giants are giant men that God created; the Bible does not mention angels in this text. I'm afraid too many people are playing the guessing game. You cannot just assume they were angels and add that to the Scripture. It is adding to the Bible to say they were angels.
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[/QUOTE]Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair: and they took them wives of all which they choose.

Clear that the sons of God here means angels.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in tose days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

This is so clear that the Sons of God, the angels went and defiled themselves with the daughters of men.

2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement:

2Peter 2:5 And spared not the OLD WORLD, but saved Noah, the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly:

Isn't this clear that there are angels defiling themselves with the women.


Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, GIVING THEMSELVES OVER TO FORNICATION, and going after STRANGE FLESH, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

This is just a comparison with Sodom and Gomorrah. The angels are not just having sex with women, but also having sex with ALL FLESH. Creating giant animals.

Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

These fallen angels had corrupted ALL FLESH.
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Laodicea said:
That is what I think he is even trying to tell us that God created demons to be demons, where do they get these ideas?
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God did not create demons. There is no such word as demon in the bible, but devils. These devils were angels that rebelled against God. They are fallen angels and they are called devils.
 
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Journey i understand your position...but Jude does not refer to a "book" but only to a prophecy.
Inspired by the Holyspirit does not make it necessary to have a book.

Do the math on the sizes of the hybrids and then tell me there are not any problems.
But honestly for the sake of unity understand that you cant say Jude "quoted" from a book.
Thats not provable from the text.
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[/QUOTE]So what people are saying is that Jude and Peter never read any book of Enoch, but was inspired by the Holy Spirit to quote his prophesies?

Can anyone provide me with some evidence that the book of Enoch did not exist in the days of the appostles?
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cronjecj said:
Journey, when Jude quoted Enoch it was from the same scripture not from the book of Enoch..
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Did you come to understanding scripture, not by reading the bible, but just by the holy spirit?

There has to be a written testimony.
Enoch was a witness who had a testimony, and his written testimony is the book of Enoch.

Man excluded this book from the bible, but somehow God allowed us who are seeking to find it and search it out.

I found that the book of Enoch is in total harmony with God's written word. There are no contradictions whatsoever.
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journey41 said:
[/QUOTE]So what people are saying is that Jude and Peter never read any book of Enoch, but was inspired by the Holy Spirit to quote his prophesies?

Can anyone provide me with some evidence that the book of Enoch did not exist in the days of the appostles?
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Of coarse not..but that isnt the issue...other sources(secular) "are quoted from" in the new testament,
but that doesnt mean they were books that were inspired that we should learn from(or take as truth). Far from it.
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journey41 said:
Of coarse not..but that isnt the issue...other sources "are quoted from" in the new testament,
but that doesnt mean they were books that were inspired that we should learn from. Far from it.
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O.k. but you dont have to learn from the book of Enoch if you wish, but there is so much information in that book that helps us to understand God's work only if we wish to delve.
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Hi Laodocea - Hope this finds you well.
I know that I'm a mere newcomer. I like to keep my understandin & conversations with my God simple, concise & uncomplicated but I've always thought of us all as sons of my God - No
particular reason except I've enjoyed & cherished that relationship
since age 7 when I was welcomed into His family & that has just remained with me.
God bless
J.
 
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Laodicea said:
That is true, everything lived longer and was bigger before the flood. As I said before concerning the book of Enoch that Genesis 6 happened after Enoch was taken to heaven so how could he write about it if he was not around?
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[/QUOTE]Who wrote the book of Genesis about creation? Was Moses there?
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Yes the giants were offspring of the angels,those angels could take on human flesh and they saw that the earthly women were fair, they took them for wives and gave birth to the giants,the giants were mean and they could not reproduce.
Gen:6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days;and after that when the sons of God come unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to
them, the same became mighty men of renown(well known)
Giant=abully, a tyrant
Inhabit caanan,Num13:33
men of violenceGen6,14:13
Tribe living near jordanGen14,5 Deut3,11
destroyed by Joshua Josh11,21,22
Davids men killed many2sam21,1522,20
One with six fingers, on each hand,and six toes on each foot2Sam21,20
 
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damombomb said:
Yes the giants were offspring of the angels,those angels could take on human flesh and they saw that the earthly women were fair, they took them for wives and gave birth to the giants,the giants were mean and they could not reproduce.
Gen:6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days;and after that when the sons of God come unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to
them, the same became mighty men of renown(well known)
Giant=abully, a tyrant
Inhabit caanan,Num13:33
men of violenceGen6,14:13
Tribe living near jordanGen14,5 Deut3,11
destroyed by Joshua Josh11,21,22
Davids men killed many2sam21,1522,20
One with six fingers, on each hand,and six toes on each foot2Sam21,20
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Hi damombomb, it not to say that it was angels when it says "sons of God" because the word says anyone who are led by the Spirit of God are called sons of God...

Peace.
 
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cronjecj said:
Hi damombomb, it not to say that it was angels when it says "sons of God" because the word says anyone who are led by the Spirit of God are called sons of God...

Peace.
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peace too!sHeb13:2 says be careful to entertain strangers, for in so doing we may be entertaining angels unaware,this is how i came up with idea, so we know they take on flesh
God bless
 
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journey41 said:
[/QUOTE]Who wrote the book of Genesis about creation? Was Moses there?
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The Bible says that God gives His prophets dreams and visions
Numbers 12:6
(6) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

So God would have shown Moses dreams and visions of what he wrote in Genesis
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jimsun said:
Hi Laodocea - Hope this finds you well.
I know that I'm a mere newcomer. I like to keep my understandin & conversations with my God simple, concise & uncomplicated but I've always thought of us all as sons of my God - No
particular reason except I've enjoyed & cherished that relationship
since age 7 when I was welcomed into His family & that has just remained with me.
God bless
J.
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Yes that is good the Bible says
Romans 8:14
(14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
 
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journey41 said:
[/QUOTE]Have you read the book of Enoch? I suggest you do, because I found that it harmonises with the Bible.
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I went online and read the book of Enoch but, it does not match up with the Bible and I already quoted some potions showing why
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