Calvinism is Gospel !

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GWH said:
Okay, I will go first. Here are my comments comparing (C) your tulip (TU) creed compared with the NT creed:

TU-1. The Sovereign and Discriminating Jehovah: There is one sovereign, holy, and just God (Deut 6:4), who does whatever pleases Him in heaven and on earth (Psa 115:3). His saving love is not a blanket, helpless wish, but a discriminating, covenantal love reserved for His elect remnant, whom He chose in Christ before the foundation of the world purely according to the good pleasure of His will (Eph 1:4-5, Rom 11:5-7).

NT-1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.

C-1. TU omits the NT teaching in John 3:16 & 1Tim. 2:3-4 that God is omniloving, and it views God as just even though He wills to save only a few who are favored with election, which contradicts 1Tim. 2:3-4 & Rom. 2:11. The creeds agree that God is sovereign, but the NT says God is pleased to save all who choose to repent (Matt. 4:17), seek God's salvation (Matt. 7:7) and believe in Christ (1Cor. 1:21-23).

Would someone else like to lead the analysis of the next part of the creeds?
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Okay, I will present a dialectical comparison of the next point of the TU creed with the NT creed:

TU-2. Total Depravity and Inability: All human beings are born completely dead in trespasses and sins (Eph 2:1). The unregenerate mind is in total enmity against God, is not subject to His law, and possesses no spiritual free will or moral capacity to choose, seek, or please God (Rom 8:7-8, Rom 3:11). Left to themselves, all men justly deserve and willingly march toward eternal damnation.

NT-2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).

C-2. The TU and NT creeds agree that all have sinned, but they part ways regarding the capacity to choose aka moral free will.
TU claims that souls who are spiritually dead (per Eph. 2:1) cannot choose to repent, seek and believe in Christ's atonement, which contradicts (Matt. 2:17, 7:7 & Rom. 3:21-5:1. TU cites Rom. 8:7-8 as if it supports saying sinners cannot repent, apparently choosing to ignore Rom. 5:1-6:18, which teaches that souls are slaves to the spirit they willingly obey.

Next?
 
Anchorite said:
Wrong. Calvinism does say that God forces salvation on individuals, without anybody seeking God or responding to Bible preaching. Calvinists proclaims that God arbitrarily puts repentance and faith in people.

Jesus did not teach Reformed (actually deformed) doctrine.

Jesus preached, “Repent and believe the gospel”.

Calvinists teach that no one can obey that command of Jesus, they have to be regenerated first, then they repent and believe.

Thus, Calvinism proclaims a backward gospel.

A Calvinist cannot tell an unsaved that Christ died for their sins.

A Calvinist would have to say, “If God regenerates you, then Christ died for your sins. Otherwise, Christ did not die for your sins. Maybe God will regenerate you, maybe He won’t. Your seeking God has nothing to do with it, so you might as well not seek Him.”
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Yes well done, clarity.

That poses a HUGE credibility problem for the trustworthiness of God… and a huge problem for the trustworthiness of Calvinism.

What God says/reveals in his word can’t be relied upon?

I going to have to go with what @pinebeach #3218 stated in this post about the source and motives, it is the only thing that makes sense to me at this point in time, when people persist in this belief when it has been completely repudiated it can be the only logical conclusion.

What is really hilarious in a sad way, because they cannot generate anything original, they typically restate our refutations as though it is their refutation only reformulated to fit their false doctrine.
 
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pinebeach said:
The study of scripture does not create the doctrine that is represented by 'tulip' as you state plainly above. I don't think we are responsible for people claiming otherwise or insisting the cart is actually pulling the donkey. I responded to a post last night in which I clearly showed how only a few words in one of those pictures were used, misrepresented, twisted and 'used' for a purpose that is not indicative of seeking only the truth and a desire to live by said truth. You find it in post 3149, at the beginning and it reads 'dead in transgressions' Eph. 2:5.

Three words used to totally misrepresent what Paul is saying. Now having been accused of lying multiple times, I question how the person responsible for this obvious dereliction of truth and misrepresention of scripture can construct deliberate and misdirecting flagrant posts while claiming others are doing what she is actually doing!

This, is what Paul is actually saying, from my post 3151.

Ephesians 2:5 has been misquoted. It does not say mankind is dead in transgressions.

It actually says

4 God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,

5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved

So God does not leave us dead. He is rich in mercy because of the great love He has for us and so He has made us ALIVE together
with Christ. We are saved by God's grace.

God raised Jesus from the dead and He has made us alive in Christ. Jesus and US are made alive together by the grace of God.

Why would someone do this? Actually try to get away with making God out to be someone He is not? Does she think that hiding all the mistruths in a picture will make them hidden? They are not hidden from God. I have not examined the rest of the so called references, but I suspect the one I did look up, is not alone.

I mean wake up people! Do you lie about the Bible and only put tidbits of verses out to create a false and harmful picture of God?
Then again, considering how 'hidden' this is in a disarming (well to some) picture that has been constructed for the sole purpose of carrying the weight of the Bible in a false 'charm' you would have to understand the implications of doing such a thing.

I think it is done on purpose. Yeah yuh thinK? Oh yeah. I do think so. Absolutely.

So, if you are so convinced of your opinions of scripture, that parallell the doctrine of Calvinism, why do you challenge the truth and put together intricate pictures woven with things from the internet and declare others are liars and blasphemers and the numerous other dark things that have nothing to do with God, but are accusations from your own machinations?

There is room for misinterpretation but there is no room for posting your own ideas of how scripture should read according to your own beliefs that even Calvin would declare to be untrue.
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Yes, tulipists project their own hatred onto God.
 
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Bible_Locket said:
That is a massive caricature of what Calvinists actually believe and preach.

You’re attacking a strawman version of Reformed theology rather than what it actually teaches.

Firstly,, Calvinism doesn't teach that God forces anyone into salvation against their will. That’s a total myth. The idea behind "irresistible grace" isn't coercion; it’s transformation.
It means God changes a person’s heart so that they want to choose Him.

When a person gets saved, they do it willingly, joyfully, and of their own free choice because their eyes have finally been opened to how beautiful the Gospel is and how lost they are in a fallen world,living with a carnal mentality.

Psalm 110:3 says, God's people "will offer themselves freely" on the day of His power. It’s like a blind person being healed—they don't need to be "forced" to see; they just look.

The argument about the order of regeneration and faith being "backward" also misses what scripture actually says.

Jesus literally told Nicodemus in John 3 that a person has to be born again before they can even see or enter the kingdom of God.

Paul said in Ephesians 2 that we are completely "dead in trespasses and sins" before Christ makes us alive.

A dead person can't choose to do anything.

God has to breathe life into us first. That's called
Regeneration. That is the immediate, natural result of that new life when we repent and believe.

Jesus tells us this in John 6. He said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."
That's Jesus ,who was God,telling us this.

It's not a backward gospel; it’s just how a spiritual resurrection works.

Also, the claim that Calvinists can't do evangelism or tell people to seek God is just historically and practically wrong.

Some of the most passionate evangelists and missionaries in church history—guys like George Whitefield, Jonathan Edwards, and Charles Spurgeon—were completely Reformed.

A Calvinist doesn’t try to guess who the "elect" are before they preach. They just stand up and give the universal offer of the Gospel to everyone, just like Paul did in Acts 17.

God "commands all people everywhere to repent."

If someone is actively seeking God, a Calvinist wouldn't tell them it's a waste of time. They’d tell them that their desire to seek God is absolute proof that the Holy Spirit is already at work in their heart!

Romans 3 tells us that no one naturally seeks God on their own.
That's not exclusive to Calvinism. God tells us that.

At the end of the day, Calvinism isn’t trying to overcomplicate the Gospel or make it exclusive.

It’s just trying to protect one core biblical truth: Salvation is 100% God's work from start to finish, and He gets all the credit.
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Calvinism is a doctrine of exclusivity to say otherwise is not being factual.

No human has a right to create a system which does not align with God's word, it does not protect God, that is fake cover for a system of exclusivity and it creates a false plan of salvation, I would exercise serious caution about doing that.

Belief in/Faith in does not in any way diminish the work of Christ Jesus and or make it so that salvation is not 100% from God.

Another fabrication.
 
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GWH said:
Yes, tulipists project their own hatred onto God.
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They do indeed and mankind in general, they should really seek out help, of every kind, spiritual, emotional and psychological.
This doctrine provides cover for their hatred in some ways, not good.
 
GWH said:
Yes, for their hatred and heresy.
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Heresy simply refers to any unorthodox teaching.

For example, Roman Catholics at the start of the Protestant Reformation viewed Protestants as Heretics. Some still do.

Furthermore, after all the contextually accurate posts I have made in this last hour or so, as well as have others, so as to use to demonstrate scriptural proof Calvinism is grounded in the Gospel, for you and others like you to ignore those facts as you continue to promote your slander against the Gospel and Calvinism, is to demonstrate you are not interested in learning the facts.
Or,God has made it so that you are unable to understand them.

People who know the truth,as I and others have posted,do not hate people.
The slanderous accusation does make us to appear just as Jesus foretold. When the world hated Him, they shall also hate us.

You see? God did know you al before the womb.
 
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Bible_Locket said:
Heresy simply refers to any unorthodox teaching.

For example, Roman Catholics at the start of the Protestant Reformation viewed Protestants as Heretics. Some still do.

Furthermore, after all the contextually accurate posts I have made in this last hour or so, as well as have others, so as to use to demonstrate scriptural proof Calvinism is grounded in the Gospel, for you and others like you to ignore those facts as you continue to promote your slander against the Gospel and Calvinism, is to demonstrate you are not interested in learning the facts.
Or,God has made it so that you are unable to understand them.

People who know the truth,as I and others have posted,do not hate people.
The slanderous accusation does make us to appear just as Jesus foretold. When the world hated Him, they shall also hate us.

You see? God did know you al before the womb.
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Nah, Calvinism has already been very clearly repudiated several times over, in the journals, books and other written source material.
 
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Notice the extreme arrogance of the Calvinism advocates.

You never hear anyone say Finneyism is the Gospel, or Billy Grahamism is the Gospel, or Lutheranism is the Gospel, or DL Moodyism is the Gospel, or Erwin Lutzerism is the Gospel, or any other theologian-ism is the Gospel.

It’s only “Calvinism is the Gospel” — which is equating one deeply flawed and murderous man’s system with the scriptures.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the Gospel.
 
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Anchorite said:
Notice the extreme arrogance of the Calvinism advocates.

You never hear anyone say Finneyism is the Gospel, or Billy Grahamism is the Gospel, or Lutheranism is the Gospel, or DL Moodyism is the Gospel, or Erwin Lutzerism is the Gospel, or any other theologian-ism is the Gospel.

It’s only “Calvinism is the Gospel” — which is equating one deeply flawed and murderous man’s system with the scriptures.

Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are the Gospel.
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It ist arrogance to stand ones ground in defense of the Gospel. As we are told,it is a resposibiity to defend Gose truth.

Calvinism is grounded in the Gospel. Saying Calvinism is the Gospel is to say that very thing.

The core tenets of Protestantism is grounded the Five Solas. Calvinism is grounded in the Five Solas.


Furthermore, TULIP describes how Salvation works.
The Creeds of the New Testament declare who Jesus is. And what He accomplished.



They serve entirely different purposes.
 
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Bible_Locket said:
It ist arrogance to stand ones ground in defense of the Gospel. As we are told,it is a resposibiity to defend Gose truth.

Calvinism is grounded in the Gospel. Saying Calvinism is the Gospel is to say that very thing.

The core tenets of Protestantism is grounded the Five Solas. Calvinism is grounded in the Five Solas.


Furthermore, TULIP describes how Salvation works.
The Creeds of the New Testament declare who Jesus is. And what He accomplished.



They serve entirely different purposes.
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You are elevating the murderous John Calvin to the level of the Bible’s authors.

The Bible explains how salvation works.
 
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Bible_Locket said:
That is not true.
If it were true,the forefathers,founders,of every Denomination woud be implicated
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No, the founders of various denominations are not elevated to the level of the murderous John Calvin, who had his theological opponents executed.

Nobody says Wesleyism is the gospel, or Lutheranism is the gospel, or Finneyism is the gospel, or Moodyism is the gospel.

Only Calvinists claim that their flawed manmade theological system is equal to the Bible.

That is what makes it a dangerous heretical cult.
 
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Anchorite said:
No, the founders of various denominations are not elevated to the level of the murderous John Calvin, who had his theological opponents executed.

Nobody says Wesleyism is the gospel, or Lutheranism is the gospel, or Finneyism is the gospel, or Moodyism is the gospel.

Only Calvinists claim that their flawed manmade theological system is equal to the Bible.
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"There is no Gospel but the Lutheran Gospel"
Swedish Lutheran Bishop, Bishop Bo Giertz
"There is no gospel but a social gospel; there is no holiness but social holiness." The modernized paraphrase of Methodisms original John Wesley's quote, "The gospel of Christ knows of no religion, but social; no holiness but social holiness."

Finneyism is a pejorative and a distortion of the Gospel.

Moodyism is another pejorative. Invented by the contemporaries of Evangelist Dwight Moody so to criticize his ministry and imply there were flaws in his Theology.
Anchorite said:
That is what makes it a dangerous heretical cult.
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By definition of Cult,all Jews could accuse all Christians of being members of a cult.
 
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