Because Jesus said, I speak all things in parables.Hello again Patrick (@Patrick0269), I'm not sure what you are referring to in the OP, so could you elaborate a bit for us(BTW, why do you believe that Isaiah 53 is a parable instead of a prophesy?)
Thanks
~Deuteronomy
p.s. - for the sake of the discussion, here's the entire Chapter.
Isaiah 53 (NASB 95')1 Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. 3 He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. 4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore, And our sorrows He carried; Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed. 6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him. 7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He did not open His mouth; Like a lamb that is led to slaughter, And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers, So He did not open His mouth. 8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away; And as for His generation, who considered That He was cut off out of the land of the living For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due? 9 His grave was assigned with wicked men, Yet He was with a rich man in His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was there any deceit in His mouth. 10 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, bputting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand. 11 As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, And He will divide the booty with the strong; Because He poured out bHimself to death, And was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors. .
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Ex3:14. Is9:6-7. Is41:4. Is43:13. Is44:6-8,18,24. Is45:5-7,14. Is46:8-9. Is47:10. Matt16:15. Luke21:8. John4:24-26. John8:18,23-24. John14:16-21. John17:11-12. John20:26-29. Acts9:5. Heb3:1-11. Jesus is God and these verses will prove that.
Patrick i believe your making a error in your approach to scripture. To spiritualize and proceed to believe all is a parable is not the way to study my friend.
In the Hebrew writtings description are often presented as comparable imagery to show what words would lack in describing.
God made and planted the tree of life and also the tree of good and evil in the middle of the garden in Genesis, as part of his creation.
Jesus was not created but always was therefore your thought as Jesus being the tree of life in questioning.
Jesus was not a ugly looking man but a average looking person. A common looking Joe.
If you remember or read that judas had to reveal him to the soilders with a kiss. He looked like a average Joe.
Hope this helps...Godfearer
Where does He say that? He certainly began to do that, and if memory serves, He not only did that, but He stopped performing miracles too (in the presence of the Jews who continually mocked and rejected Him, that is .. see Matthew 13), but where does Jesus or the Bible tell us that literally EVERYTHING that He spoke to us was in the form of a parable (because clearly, that's not true)
*When you make statements like, "Jesus says" this or "the Bible says" that, etc., please include Chapter and Verse for us too, so that we can see what you're talking about for ourselves. Thanks 
The other thing to consider is this, if EVERYTHING spoken by Jesus in the Bible was truly in the form of a parable, then why does the Bible take the time, again and again, to point that fact out to us when it happens (on the one hand), but then fail to do so many more times (on the other)
Thanks!
~Deuteronomy
p.s. - I'm beginning to feel like all I'm doing is badgering you (sorry about that
), but that's NOT my intent. Rather, I'm just looking for some clarity and a better understanding of some of the points that you've made, while we attempt to get on the same page (so to speak) before moving on something else.
Hello God-fearing, I agree with you, because the tendency (that I've seen) whenever we do this is to sink and bury the word of God (by which I mean God's intended meaning), and then (unintentionally) create a new one (with a meaning that God never intended) instead. IOW, rather than the word of God, we end up with the "word of David", or the "word of George", or the "word of Alice", etc., if we are not especially careful
In fact, I'm sure that things like this are a big part of the reason that God (though the pen of the Apostle) commanded us to "rightly divide" His word (whenever we study it, but especially when we talk about it and/or teach it, like we do so often here at CChat).
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy (David)
2 Timothy 2
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing/handling accurately the word of truth.
.Matt13:34-35. Mark4:34Where does He say that? He certainly began to do that, and if memory serves, He not only did that, but He stopped performing miracles too (in the presence of the Jews who continually mocked and rejected Him, that is .. see Matthew 13), but where does Jesus or the Bible tell us that literally EVERYTHING that He spoke to us was in the form of a parable (because clearly, that's not true)
*When you make statements like, "Jesus says" this or "the Bible says" that, etc., please include Chapter and Verse for us too, so that we can see what you're talking about for ourselves. Thanks
The other thing to consider is this, if EVERYTHING spoken by Jesus in the Bible was truly in the form of a parable, then why does the Bible take the time, again and again, to point that fact out to us when it happens (on the one hand), but then fail to do so many more times (on the other)
Thanks!
~Deuteronomy
p.s. - I'm beginning to feel like all I'm doing is badgering you (sorry about that
Hello God-fearing, I agree with you, because the tendency (that I've seen) whenever we do this is to sink and bury the word of God (by which I mean God's intended meaning), and then (unintentionally) create a new one (with a meaning that God never intended) instead. IOW, rather than the word of God, we end up with the "word of David", or the "word of George", or the "word of Alice", etc., if we are not especially careful
In fact, I'm sure that things like this are a big part of the reason that God (though the pen of the Apostle) commanded us to "rightly divide" His word (whenever we study it, but especially when we talk about it and/or teach it, like we do so often here at CChat).
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy (David)
2 Timothy 215 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing/handling accurately the word of truth..
Absolutely agree with you my friend. I for one have made up a list of foundational truths found throughout the word, simple truths .
Since we have a never changing God there should be repetitive truths found throughout the scriptures.
If I come across something that doesn’t fit into these foundational truths I disregard it as ... not to my understanding.
If some would read the story first for context and then word search it would make for more understanding of the text.
For example....Genesis 1:1 (my favorite) God created the heavens and the earth.....how....did he get a big rock...evolution? Now a word search.....created =bara= created out of nothing.... guess that blows evolution out of the water
Hello Patrick, let me take a shot at this from a different angle.
The Lord Jesus preached His Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7 and He said things like the following,
“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy., but I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" ~Matthew 5:43-44
"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one, for Thine is the Kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen" ~Matthew 6:9-13
"Do not judge......." ~Matthew 7:1
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you......" ~Matthew 7:12
The Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) is incredible (as I'm sure you'd agree), and while it is simply chock-full of pithy, memorable and incredibly important teachings and maxims, all from the Lord Jesus, what it doesn't have is "parables"!
The same is true for the rest of the Gospels, Acts and Revelation. LOTS of parables are found in the Gospels, especially in the Gospel of Luke, but I believe that, even there, other types of teachings from the Lord Jesus are still more prevalent than His parables are.
So, the big question, the "elephant in the room" now becomes, how are we to understand the verses in Matthew (like Matthew 13:34) that seem tell us something different than we can plainly see with our eyes when looking through the Text
Here's the verse above for the sake of reference.
Matthew 13
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable.
Could it be that, chōris parabolēs (“without a parable”), does not mean that He told ~nothing but~ parables to the crowd, but that He said nothing to them ~without using~ parables, instead
In short, parables were clearly an essential part of Jesus' spoken ministry (but only a part)! ~Carson, D. A., The Expositor’s Bible Commentary: Zondervan Publishing House.God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
Lastly, here is a nifty list of the parables of Jesus. I thought that it might prove to be helpful at some point in this thread (from our friends at GotQuestions.org).
p.s. - for what it's worth, I believe that the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a true story, a narrative teaching by Jesus, so not one of His parables.
The Two Builders (Matthew 7:24–27; Luke 6:46–49)
The Sprouting Seed (Mark 4:26–29)
The Children of the Marketplace (Matthew 11:16–19; Luke 7:31–32)
The Unclean Spirit (Matthew 12:43–45; Luke 11:24–26)
Tree and Its Fruit (Matthew 12:33–37; Luke 6:43–45)
The Strongman’s House (Matthew 12:29–30; Luke 11:21–23)
The Sower and the Seed (Matthew 13:3–9; Mark 4:1–9; Luke 8:4–8)
The Wheat and the Tares (Matthew 13:24–30)
The Mustard Seed (Matthew 13:31–32; Mark 4:30–32; Luke 13:18–20)
Leaven in the Dough (Matthew 13:33; Luke 13:20–21)
The Hidden Treasure (Matthew 13:44)
The Pearl of Great Price (Matthew 13:45–46)
The Dragnet (Matthew 13:47–50)
Treasures New and Old (Matthew 13:52 )
The Moneylender (Luke 7:41–43)
The Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25–42)
The Friend in Need (Luke 11:5–8)
The Rich Fool (Luke 12:15–21)
The Master’s Return (Luke 12:35–40)
The Unfruitful Fig Tree (Luke 13:6–9)
The Great Banquet (Luke 14:15–24)
The Lost Sheep (Matthew 18:12–14; Luke 15:3–7)
The Unmerciful Servant (Matthew 18:23–34)
The Lost Coin (Luke 15:8–10)
The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11–32)
The Dishonest Steward (Luke 16:1–8)
The Master and His Servant (Luke 17:7–10)
The Widow and the Unjust Judge (Luke 18:1–8)
The Laborers in the Vineyard (Matthew 20:1–16)
The Wicked Vine Dressers (Matthew 21:33–46; Mark 12:1–12; Luke 20:9–19)
The Two Sons (Matthew 21:28–31)
The Wedding Banquet (Matthew 22:1–14)
Faithful vs. Wicked Servants (Matthew 24:45–51; Mark 13:32–37; Luke 12:41–48)
The Wise and Foolish Virgins (Matthew 25:1–13)
The Three Servants and the Talents (Matthew 25:14–30)
The Ten Minas (Luke 19:12–27)
The Sheep and the Goats (Matthew 25:31–46)
[Some consider the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19–31) to be a parable; others consider it to be a true story that Jesus told.] ~https://www.gotquestions.org/parables-in-the-Bible.html
~Deuteronomyp.s. - for what it's worth, I believe that the story of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a true story, a narrative teaching by Jesus, so not one of His parables.
But it is clear that He does not speak all things in parables. The text is good for telling us what is a parable.
Num23:19. Heb6:18. Tit1:2. Psalms89:34. Psalms119:89. 1Sam15:29. 2Sam7:28. Jos23:14. Is40:8. 1John:1.5. 2Tim2:13. Jesus never lies. These bible verses are my witnesses. So if Jesus says he speaks all things in parables, then it’s true. Matt13:34-35.
Hello Patrick, no one here believes that the Lord Jesus has ever/ever will lie. What we question is your understanding of what He said (and while it is a small point, but just to be clear, the words in Matthew 13:34 are Matthew's, not Jesus').
Matthew 13
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable.
When Matthew tells us that Jesus spoke "all these things .. in parables", he (Matthew) was referring to what the Lord had just finished saying "to the crowds" (who were with Jesus and were being taught by Him ~at that time~). IOW, Matthew was referring to a specific group in v34, NOT making a general statement about everyone, everywhere throughout His entire teaching ministry here on Earth.
There's more to be said about this, but I'll stop here for now.
Finally, there are a number of other things that Jesus said to us in the Bible, things that I would be interested to hear your interpretation of, starting with this example.
Luke 14
26 If anyone comes to Me and does not ~hate~ his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.
So, what do you make of this
Jesus said it, and His words could not be clearer. However, the question is this, do you believe that our "first blush" reading of His words (in this case) accurately represents what His intended meaning truly is, yes/no, why or why not Thanks
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
So are you saying that all the words of Jesus recorded in Scripture are parables? What about His words to the paralyzed man:
(Mar 2:11 NKJV) "I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house."
Or His words to Peter:
(Mar 14:30 NKJV) Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you that today, even this night, before the rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times."
Then we have this passage, which makes it abundantly clear that not every He said was a parable:
(Joh 16:25-29 NKJV) "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father." His disciples said to Him, "See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech!"
Hello Patrick, no one here believes that the Lord Jesus has ever/ever will lie. What we question is your understanding of what He said (and while it is a small point, but just to be clear, the words in Matthew 13:34 are Matthew's, not Jesus').
Matthew 1334 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable.
When Matthew tells us that Jesus spoke "all these things .. in parables", he (Matthew) was referring to what the Lord had just finished saying "to the crowds" (who were with Jesus and were being taught by Him ~at that time~). IOW, Matthew was referring to a specific group in v34, NOT making a general statement about everyone, everywhere throughout His entire teaching ministry here on Earth.
There's more to be said about this, but I'll stop here for now.
Finally, there are a number of other things that Jesus said to us in the Bible, things that I would be interested to hear your interpretation of, starting with this example.
Luke 1426 If anyone comes to Me and does not ~hate~ his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.
So, what do you make of this
Thanks
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
Hello again Patrick, you quoted my post (see Post #37 above), but you did not respond to any of the points that I made, nor the questions that I asked
In fact, your reply, even if taken alone, is cryptic, at best.Assuming that by "spirit" (in your first sentence) you are referring to the third Member of the Godhead, then I agree, it is the Holy Spirit who teaches us and gives us understanding of the things of God. Of course, He does many other things for us too
As far as your second sentence goes, I think that you're going to need to unpack that for us because all I can do is guess at what you mean by, "the spirit is the word of Jesus"
(so please elaborate).Thanks
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy
Ezekiel 28:1-19. It is a parable. Talks about the fall of Tyre. That is the physical. Spiritually, it talks about the fall of Satan. Another one, would be when Jacob wrestled with Jesus. You see the physical. But the spiritual is talking about being born again and receiving a new name. It’s a couple examples.Hello again Patrick, you quoted my post (see Post #37 above), but you did not respond to any of the points that I made, nor the questions that I asked
Assuming that by "spirit" (in your first sentence) you are referring to the third Member of the Godhead, then I agree, it is the Holy Spirit who teaches us and gives us understanding of the things of God. Of course, He does many other things for us too
As far as your second sentence goes, I think that you're going to need to unpack that for us because all I can do is guess at what you mean by, "the spirit is the word of Jesus"
Thanks
God bless you!!
~Deuteronomy