Your own words below, quoted only from this thread, prove you to be a hypocrite and a liar.
Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?
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Your own words below, quoted only from this thread, prove you to be a hypocrite and a liar.
In a way, I am also happy for you, because you are willing to answer questions and express what is truly in your heart. I believe that is a step away from hypocrisy, because you are being honest about what you feel and what you understand. That means you are not self-centered.
When God sees true humility in your heart, He Himself will make Himself known to you.
I would not be surprised if, in His perfect time, you come to understand the truth and wisdom contained in His words.
The truth is, physical life and spiritual life are different. In this physical life, I do not know you. It may be that you are a good person, kind, helpful, generous, and loving. However, those things alone are not the basis for salvation.
In the spiritual sense, I also do not know you, so I will not judge you. Everything you said, that I accused you of those things, did not come from me. I will say this again: God revealed to me what kind of person you are in your spiritual life, and I believe in the Lord.
His revealing of these things to you is not because He wants you to be harmed. Rather, He wants you to awaken from a deep sleep that is not good for you. It is also for the sake of the lost sheep whom the Lord protects.
If you choose not to believe, that is your own decision, and the Lord will allow you to remain in that deep sleep.
But He cannot avoid revealing the truth about you for the sake of the lost sheep He is protecting.
A person who knows the one true God does not look down on others.
Instead, the person sees the wrong within himself and asks God for mercy.
LUKE 18:13
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
A person who does not know God tends to think highly of himself and is quick to criticize others.
LUKE 18:11
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Through these words spoken by the Lord Himself (words that did not come from me), you have been revealed.
What is your understanding now of the verses you mentioned (Mark 6:31) Luke 9:14)?
Are they unclear words from God, or are they clear words from God?
MARK 6:31
31 And he said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while: for there were many coming and going, and they had no leisure so much as to eat.
LUKE 9:14
14 For they were about five thousand men. And he said to his disciples, Make them sit down by fifties in a compan
Clear, straightforward words. Not parables with hidden meanings.
When you quote Scripture but the message is your personal opinion, it's from you, not from the Lord. Quoting Jesus doesn't make your message from Jesus.
The devil quoted Scripture too.
Hogwash. You made the accusations; the Lord did not.
You remain a hypocrite and a liar.
If Mark 6:31 and Luke 9:14 are not parables or dark sayings of old, then they would simply be historical events that took place in the New Testament. In that case, they would be words of God that have already passed from our time because they no longer happen literally. However, the truth is that the Word of God never passes away (Matthew 24:35).
When the Lord Jesus reveals the truth of these passages, it will become evident that they are still taking place in our time, not in a literal sense, but in their true spiritual meaning.
In your case, you no longer need the Lord Jesus as your Teacher because you believe you already know the meaning of the story.
But as for us, who have come to know the one true God, we seek His mercy and ask the Lord to reveal the truth to us.
Because we accept that His words are parables or dark sayings. That is why they never pass away and continue to be fulfilled in our time.
Therefore, anyone who does not accept that the Word of God is spoken in parables or dark sayings also does not truly accept the truth of Matthew 24:35.
MATTHEW 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Anyone who does not know the one true God speaks words that do not come from God, but only from themselves.
Therefore, anyone who does not know the one true God is not spoken to by the Lord Jesus.
The Lord Jesus said, a person who does not know the one true God is a liar in the sight of God.
JOHN 8:54-55
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
The Lord Jesus said, "Anyone who does not know the one true God is blind.
JOHN 9:40-41
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
The Lord Jesus also said, "Anyone who claims to know the one true God, when in fact they do not, is a hypocrite in the sight of God.
MATTHEW 23:13-15 & 23-29
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
What you have apparently failed to understand is that the Bible is a book of history. It records events that actually did occur in the past. God created the world and everything in it; He is not still creating the world and everything in it. Moses confronted Pharaoh; he is not still confronting Pharaoh. Joshua crossed the Jordan during flood stage and then conquered Jericho; he is not still crossing and conquering. David is not still fleeing from Saul. Elijah is not still on Mount Carmel. Philip is not still baptizing the Ethiopian eunuch. John is not still seeing visions while on Patmos.
Can God speak through the words of the Bible to people today? Yes, of course, and He still does. He has done so for me... but that doesn't make those words "parables". God can speak one meaning to one person in one situation, a different meaning to a different person in a different situation, and a third meaning to a third person, while still the plain meaning of the text remains. The distinction is in the application, and only the Lord is wise enough to sort that out.
Because you wrongly conclude that everything is a parable, you have opened wide the door to delusion... of yourself. This is what spiritists and occultists do... seeking spiritual knowledge outside of the plain word of God. The events recorded in Mark 6:31 and Luke 9:14 are historical events, not still-occurring events. You will search in vain for some "true spiritual meaning" but there are many unclean spirits who are happy to provide you with special "revelation". Then the "knowledge" they provide will cause arrogance and division, and will insulate you from genuine Christian correction.
Just like what has happened with you. May the Lord have mercy on you.
Just checking that I have understood what you mean. Are you really saying, as you seem to be saying, that nothing recorded in the Bible is an historical event, because historical events are tot happening today, and God's word never passes away? If that is not what you mean, please can you explain what you do mean. Thanks.
That just is not true. The Lord Jesus Christ is my Saviour, my Lord, and yes, my Teacher. I do know the one true God. Your apparent notion that everything in the Bible is parable goes against what we read in John 16:
(Joh 16:25-29 NKJV) "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me, and have believed that I came forth from God. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world. Again, I leave the world and go to the Father." His disciples said to Him, "See, now You are speaking plainly, and using no figure of speech!
Woops! Too late to edit my post 493. I meant, "Are you really saying, as you seem to be saying, that nothing recorded in the Bible is an historical event, because historical events are not happening today." ("tot happening" was a careless typo - sorry!)
Whoever does not know the one true God remains in darkness; therefore, no truth can be found in them.
In a way, I'm glad you answered because you're expressing what is truly in your heart. That is what God is looking for in a person. God wants people to be honest and sincere with Him. If your answer is yes, then let it be yes; if it is no, then let it be no. But anything beyond those two, as the Scriptures say, comes from the evil one.
For God does not like hypocrisy or hypocrites.
MATTHEW 5:37
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
That is what the Lord saw in Nicodemus. He spoke honestly about what was in his heart and about what he understood from the Word of God. What the Lord saw in him was a sign of humility before God. That is why Nicodemus became one of those whom the Lord chose.
I hope that the words that come from your heart will also be a sign of humility, so that you may follow the example of Nicodemus.
JOHN 3:1-4
3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
I can assure you that by God's grace, I have been born again. I knew I could not save myself, and I came to Jesus for salvation.
Just checking that I have understood what you mean. Are you really saying, as you seem to be saying, that nothing recorded in the Bible is an historical event, because historical events are tot happening today, and God's word never passes away? If that is not what you mean, please can you explain what you do mean. Thanks.
The Bible is not like the history books we read and study in school, where past events are simply recorded. Even its name shows the difference. It is called the Holy Book, which means it contains the sacred Word of God.
Notice that experts in world history generally agree on the meaning of the historical records they study.
But when it comes to the Holy Scriptures, because they contain divine mysteries, even theologians and Bible scholars can study them for five or even ten years and still not reach the same understanding.
As a result, the different groups within Christianity have developed different understandings of the Lord Jesus, leading to different doctrines concerning salvation.
If you ask most people, "What is the Bible?" they will answer, "It is the Word of God." They understand it as God's words written in a book that records what happened in the Old and New Testaments.
But if you ask the Lord Jesus, the Holy Book that contains the Word of God is not merely a written book, it is the Lord Jesus Himself.
REVELATION 19:13
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
HEBREWS 10:7
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Perhaps you would agree that there is no other book containing the written Word of God except the Holy Bible.
Therefore, reading the Bible today is equivalent to listening to the Lord Jesus in his time.
And just as people were to receive everything the Lord Jesus said in his time, we should likewise receive everything that is written in the Holy Scriptures.
That is one of the proofs that the Word of God endures forever and never passes away as in Matthew 24:35.
I fully agree that the Bible is not like a book about history. No book of history could be described as a powerful two-edged sword. What I cannot agree with is your idea that because the historical events recorded in the Bible are not happening now, and God's word never passes away, therefore we should not read the historical events in the Bible as though they literally happened. I agree that if we read the Bible as merely history, like a book about the Roman invasion of Britain, we will go astray.
That just is not true. The Lord Jesus Christ is my Saviour, my Lord, and yes, my Teacher. I do know the one true God. Your apparent notion that everything in the Bible is parable goes against what we read in John 16:
I already gave you an example about this in my previous post.
Not everyone who says that the Lord Jesus is my Savior and Lord will be accepted by God.
Many people will say those words, but they may only be coming from their own understanding and not from God.
MATTHEW 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
I will repeat the example I gave.
Simon Peter said to Jesus, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,”.
MATTHEW 16:15-17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Do not all those who read and believe in the Holy Scriptures say the same thing to Jesus: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God”?
Yet even though they say the same words to Jesus, the Lord rejoiced in Simon Peter’s confession.
Because what Peter said to Jesus came from God and not from Peter himself.
MATTHEW 16:17
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
However, the different groups within Christianity have four different understandings of who Jesus is.
Even though they also say to Him, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” it is clear that this comes only from their own understanding and not from God.
It is the same with making a confession; The Lord Jesus Christ is my Saviour, my Lord, and yes, my Teacher, it must come from God.
If you truly accept that Jesus is your Savior and that you know the one true God, what would you say to God the Father if He said to you, “Besides Me, there is no Savior”?
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.