"Your response relies heavily on historical deflections and a fundamental misunderstanding of Biblical covenants. Let’s look directly at where your arguments collapse under the weight of Scripture:So your position is that God holds unborn fetuses, newborns, infants and young children to be personally guilty for the sin a distant ancestor of theirs named ADAM committed? Does this make any moral sense to you? God long ago refuted the idea that He judges people for the sin of their ancestors:
Ezekiel 18:2-4
“What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel: ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the teeth of the children are set on edge’? As surely as I live, declares the Lord GOD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. Behold, every soul belongs to Me; both father and son are Mine. The SOUL WHO SINS IS THE ONE WHO WILL DIE.
God goes into even more detail on this subject in verses 19-20
Ezekiel 18:19-20
Yet you may ask, ‘Why shouldn’t the son bear the iniquity of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right, carefully observing all My statutes, he will surely live. The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him.
Now let us look at Psalm 51 which, we must remember, was written after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba and murdered her husband. As soon as the true nature of David's sin was exposed by Nathan's parable of the pet lamb Davis cried out
"I have sinned"
Following that, he began to see how deep the influence of sin was in him which prompted him to say:
5 Behold, in iniquity I was brought forth, and in sin my mother conceived me.
Taken at face value, this verse seems to be saying more about his MOTHER than David himself. Nevertheless, I do not think David was trying to shift the blame to his mother, his family or the culture he grew up in. To do so would NOT have been taking responsibility for HIS OWN SIN It would have, instead, been an attempt to deflect blame away from himself. What David was seeing was that his connection to sin went much deeper than the sin he committed with Bathsheba. David was seeing that, from his earliest origins, he had lived among people who sinned in a race that habitually sinned
Augustine invented a theological construct to define sin for a sentient creature (infants and children) who the Bible says are innocent. He did this specifically to justify the Catholic practice of infant baptism. In Augustine's time an infant who was not baptized would never be able to enter the eternal Kingdom.
1. The Federal Headship of Adam vs. Ezekiel 18
You attempt to use Ezekiel 18 to deny original guilt and total depravity from birth. In doing so, you confuse individual civil justice under the Mosaic Law with Federal Headship under the Covenant of Works. Ezekiel 18 teaches that an earthly judge should not execute a son for his father’s crimes. It does not erase the legal ruin of the human race in Adam.
If your interpretation of Ezekiel 18 were correct, you would have to throw out the entire fifth chapter of Romans. Paul completely shuts down your theory in Romans 5:12-19:
- “By one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” (v. 12)
- “Through the offence of one many be dead.” (v. 15)
- “The judgment was by one to condemnation.” (v. 16)
- “By one man's disobedience many were made sinners.” (v. 19)
2. The Distortion of Psalm 51:5
Your attempt to twist Psalm 51:5 into a statement about David’s mother or the 'culture' he lived in is completely unscriptural. David does not blame his environment. He is performing deep self-examination, tracing his wicked actions back to his very origin. He confesses: “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.” The pollution was in his very substance from conception. Job asks the same rhetorical question: “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one” (Job 14:4). An unclean nature can only produce an unclean infant.
3. The 'Augustine' Diversion
Blaming Augustine, Gnosticism, or Martin Luther is a classic smoke screen used when the text of Scripture becomes too heavy to carry. I do not stand on Augustine; I stand on the plain declarations of the Word of God.
- It was not Augustine, but Jeremiah who said, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jer 17:9).
- It was not Augustine, but Paul who stated that the natural man “cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Cor 2:14), and that the carnal mind “is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be” (Rom 8:7).
- It was not Augustine, but Jesus Christ Himself who declared, “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him” (John 6:44).
4. The Rich Young Ruler and the Verdict of 'Impossible'
Finally, you bring up the Rich Young Ruler to claim that surrendering to Christ is 'not really impossible' for the natural man. You could not have picked a worse example to support your case.
When the Rich Young Ruler walked away in his total inability, the disciples asked, “Who then can be saved?” Look closely at Jesus’ direct answer to them: “With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible” (Matt 19:26).
You claim it was possible for the man; Jesus explicitly stated it was impossible for man. The natural man will always choose his idols over Christ because he is a slave to his corrupt nature, until and unless God sovereignly replaces his heart of stone with a heart of flesh (Ezekiel 36:26).
The Gospel is indeed the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes (Rom 1:16), but Scripture is uniform: only those who are sovereignly quickened from spiritual death will ever believe (Eph 2:1-5, Acts 13:48). You are fighting against the plain words of Christ."