Saved by faith alone?

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So, everything that I explained to you in post #3,002 just went right over your head. :( You don't seem to understand what believers mean by FAITH ALONE. We don't mean faith that remains alone/barren of works which is not genuine faith but a bare profession of faith/dead faith. (James 2:14) We mean faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)

What part of faith is accounted for righteousness/God imputes righteousness apart from works, along with saved by grace through faith, not works do you not understand? Again, the Bible makes it clear in many passages of scripture that man is saved through belief/faith - "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

Now you don't need to "add" the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of those passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Hence, FAITH ALONE. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus, works? NO. So, then it's faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone. ✝️
what about the many verses that do say faith plus???

thks

examples

1 cor 13;2
1 cor 13:13

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mt 5:7
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

what happened to faith alone?

mt 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

what happened to faith alone?

mt 7:14 narrow road leads to life.

what happened to faith alone?

Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

what happened to faith alone?

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

what happened to faith alone?

Luke 13:27
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

what happened to faith alone?

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

what happened to faith alone?
 
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Are you one of those who say baptism with the Matthew 28:19-20 formula is Wrong? That is the way the church has done it
The Apostle Paul explained that IN JESUS dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily; the Godhead consists of Father, Son and Holy Ghost (Col. 2:9-12) Hint, hint, clue, clue. This is yet another confirmation of what Jesus' disciples understood Jesus to mean when He said to baptize people in the NAME of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. (Matt. 28:19)

"For in him (JESUS) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

I find it interesting that people have no problem with praying, casting out demons, healing, etc. in Jesus' name. Yet, adamantly refuse to accept that water baptism is to be in the name of Jesus as revealed by the disciples in the Word of God. I guess many have no idea that the use of the phrase Father, Son and Holy Ghost began well after the apostolic era. And is in fact a tradition begun by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church.

Jesus is the name that is above every name. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

"Whereby" is a conjunction that means "by which" or "through which".
 
same term has different meaning!

"eternal life"

Eternal life has two parts:

part one) grace that we receive now in this life with the initial grace of justification which we can increase by good works and lose by sin.

part two) eternal salvation after death, judgment, eternal life in the glories of heaven.

((eternal life refers to grace))
This is called adding to the word.

eternal life means what it says

eternal - forever, everlasting, never ending
Life - as apposed to death
Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life refers to eternal salvation))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)


((promise of eternal salvation))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

thks
what you are preaching would be colled conditional life. Not eternal life

God promised me I have eternal life. He did not say my life is conditional
 
Scripture never says, "Command them in Jesus' name, but baptize them using different words."

Luke repeatedly records believers being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5), and Ananias tells Paul to be baptized, "calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16). Paul likewise reminds the Corinthians they were "washed... in the name of the Lord Jesus" (1 Cor. 6:11). The consistent emphasis is that the name of Jesus is connected with the baptism itself, not merely with the command to be baptized.
all refer back the words of the savior

mt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

thks
 
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Salvation in a nutshell!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people,(justification) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Jn 15:4 abide in Christ / Mt 10:22 endures to the end Shall be saved. (Salvation)

(((definition of terms)))

"first we must agree on these terms or we can never attain to an understanding"


The process of salvation!
(any part of the process of salvation can be called salvation or the past tense saved especially the redemption which was accomplished by Christ)

((Redemption))

eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

((Justification))

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, (redemption) much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (righteousness)

* * * * * * *

{ before justification works? no!
"justification is a free gift"
after justification works? yes }

* * * * * * *

((Union))

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!

Phil 4:13 with Christ? all things!

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...

Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

((sanctification))

eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

practice of the virtues: faith, hope, & charity etc.

1 Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: (impossible without works) mt 26:41 watch & pray / heb 12:4 James 4:7 resist / eph 6:10-18 armor of God / Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 suffering

((grace enables good works))

Jn 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

2 cor 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Colossians 1:6
Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

((Perseverance))

Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Romans 2:7 patience
James 1:4 patience a perfect work
Hebrews 10:36
need of patience
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth


((Perseverance unto death))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

((Judgement))

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:

((eternal life: grace))
(life & union now)

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

2 cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; (grace)

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life: full eternal salvation in the next life))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

2 pet 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

((Gloification))

Glorification: crowned by God if we suffer with Christ!
(rom 8:17 2 tim 2:12)
again, this is conditional life

Your trying to save yourself by your works. Not repenting and comming to God in faith asking him to save you
 
we do not have eternal salvation
You probably do not.

But I do.

Jesus promised me

1. I will never hunger or thirst (john 6 with John 4)
2. I will live forever (eternal life) john 3, john 4, john 6 and many others)
3. He said I will never perish or die (john 3 john 6 and others)
He said I will be raised. not delivered (john 6)

I mean if you want to try to earn your life. feel free.

count me out. I have repented and confess I could never save myself.

Mk 10:30 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 rev 2:10

we have the grace of justification

grace can be increased by good works mt 7:7 mt 7:14 mt 26:41
2 pet 3:18

grace enables good works
Jn 15:4
2 cor 12:9
Romans 1:5
Colossians 1:6

grace can be lost by deadly sin

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

We have union by grace not eternal salvation!

Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10 life and life more abundantly

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: (sin translates us back into darkness) Lk 13:27

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (spiritual death to spiritual life of grace)

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. (back to spiritual death)

conditional perseverance

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

thks
again, your preaching works


Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Ephesians 2:9
not of works, lest anyone should boast.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
 
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do you have the grace of justification and union with Christ?


Jn 15:5

apart from Christ?

NOTHING!

phil 4:13

Union with Christ?

ALL THINGS!

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Our good works after we receive the grace of justification are transformed by grace and performed in grace united with Christ and given life of the spirit because of God's grace operating in us!

thks

By the grace of justification we have union with God thru Christ, in the communion of saints, empowered by grace and life in the spirit to attain to eternal salvation in glory!

Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
Jude 1:21 Keeping ourselves in the love of God.
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!

Galatians 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

acts 10:35
Fulfilling all righteousness!

Lk 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The means of our salvation is according to the purpose of our creation!

Our Eternal Purpose!

To Know, Love, & serve God!

Col 1:9-12

9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

1. I was justified by grace

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Titus 3:7
that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

2. I was redeemed and all of my sins were forgiven based on grace.

Ephesians 1:7
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

3. I was made alive, or born again by grace

Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

4. I was saved by grace

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,


it is recieved in faith

Romans 3:26
to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

It must be by faith, so it is according to grace.

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

and it is not done by works

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Ephesians 2:9
not of works, lest anyone should boast.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
 
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Hebrews 4​

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Hallelujah!
 
This is called adding to the word.

eternal life means what it says

eternal - forever, everlasting, never ending
Life - as apposed to death

what you are preaching would be colled conditional life. Not eternal life

God promised me I have eternal life. He did not say my life is conditional
can we lose grace after justification and be eternally damned? yes or no

thks
 
We are saved by grace period.

But God will not force it on us. We have to recieve this gift in faith.

or reject it in unbelief

he who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already

Condemned already because that person rejected the drawing of God before the Gospel was even presented.
He is not condemned for rejecting the Gospel. He was condemned before he rejected the Gospel when he rebuffed the drawing of God.

That is why it says... he is condemned already.
 
again, this is conditional life

Your trying to save yourself by your works. Not repenting and comming to God in faith asking him to save you
(((Conditional perseverance:)))

ex 20 mt 19:17 1 tim 6:14 keep the commandments
deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God within all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
ez 36:25-27 ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 endure to the end
Matt 7:14 narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life
Matt 16:24 If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matt 24:13 endure to the end
Jn 3:16 continues in believing
Jn 15:4 abide in christ
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
Jn 15:10 keep my commandments
Rom 1:5 obedience
Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth

1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Perseverance is conditional and requires our participation and faithfulness!


thks
 
You probably do not.

But I do.

Jesus promised me

1. I will never hunger or thirst (john 6 with John 4)
2. I will live forever (eternal life) john 3, john 4, john 6 and many others)
3. He said I will never perish or die (john 3 john 6 and others)
He said I will be raised. not delivered (john 6)

I mean if you want to try to earn your life. feel free.

count me out. I have repented and confess I could never save myself.


again, your preaching works


Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Ephesians 2:9
not of works, lest anyone should boast.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
have done the will of God?

fully?

the will of God or the purpose of creation to know love and serve God!

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

after!!!
 
You probably do not.

But I do.

Jesus promised me

1. I will never hunger or thirst (john 6 with John 4)
2. I will live forever (eternal life) john 3, john 4, john 6 and many others)
3. He said I will never perish or die (john 3 john 6 and others)
He said I will be raised. not delivered (john 6)

I mean if you want to try to earn your life. feel free.

count me out. I have repented and confess I could never save myself.


again, your preaching works


Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Ephesians 2:9
not of works, lest anyone should boast.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
have you persevered to the end?

mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 rev 2:10

thks
 
You probably do not.

But I do.

Jesus promised me

1. I will never hunger or thirst (john 6 with John 4)
2. I will live forever (eternal life) john 3, john 4, john 6 and many others)
3. He said I will never perish or die (john 3 john 6 and others)
He said I will be raised. not delivered (john 6)

I mean if you want to try to earn your life. feel free.

count me out. I have repented and confess I could never save myself.


again, your preaching works


Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Ephesians 2:9
not of works, lest anyone should boast.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
what works there are many kinds of works

kinds of works

((unfruitful works))

(works of the law)

Refer to the works of the mosaic covenant

(works of the flesh)

Listed in Gal 5:19-21 & Eph 5:3-5
these cause the loss of grace and the bar us from salvation in the kingdom of God. the unfruitful works of darkness

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. eph 5:6

(dead works) or (works alone) or (natural works)

Works that are good in and of themselves but are not in union with Christ and grace and have power to accomplish perseverance unto eternal salvation! unfruitful works

Apart from Christ: NOTHING! Jn 15:5

((fruitful works))

Living works or deeds of rightousness!

(living works) (faith & works)

Supernatural good works (gifts of God) accomplished in union with Christ and empowered by His grace with perseverance to the end of our life unto eternal salvation!

fruitful works! Lk 3:9 Jn 15:5 bear fruit

2 cor 9: And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

With Christ & empowered by grace:
I CAN DO ALL THINGS! Phil 4:13

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Living works:
1 pet 2:15-16 good works
1 pet 2:20 acceptable to God
1 pet 2:21-22 suffer as Christ suffered

righteousness implies & requires acts (volition) of righteousness
just deeds unto faithfulness in the new covenant!
mt 3:15
mt 10:22
mt 25
mt 6:33
mt 7:7
mt 26:41
mt 7:14
Lk 1:75
acts 10:35
rom 3:21
rom 5:21
rom 6:18
1 tim 6:11
1 tim 2:22
2 tim 3:16
heb 11:33
2 pet 2:21
1 Jn 2:29
1 Jn 3:7
1 pet 2:24



mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Practices)

Luke 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
(acts / deeds)

Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: (works of the flesh) but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (living works of righteousness)

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, (works of the flesh) or of obedience unto righteousness? (living works of righteousness)

Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; (works of the flesh) even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (living works of righteousness)

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (living works of righteousness)

1 tim 6: 11-14

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(Living works of righteousness)

deeds rewarded with eternal salvation! Heb 11:6 God is a rewarder of those who seek Him!

mt 5:7 blessed are the merciful they shall receive mercy

mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

mt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

(see God =eternal salvation)

mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life...

(life = eternal salvation)

mt 11:28-29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

(rest for our souls = eternal salvation)

h) prayer.

mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive

i) perpetual faith: Jn 3:16
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10

j) fruits of repentance

to repent, amend our life and sin jo more, and do pennance, (pray, fast, alms)

7) Perseverance.

a) diligent efforts to repent, amend our lives, sin no more, do penance & abide in the love of Christ.
Jn 15:4-6

B) suffering

mt 16:24 Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.

mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life

Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

ex 20 mt 19:17 1 tim 6:14 keep the commandments

deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God within all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

ez 36:25-27 ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 endures to the end shall be saved

Jn 3:16 continues in believing

Jn 15:4 abide in christ

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing phil 4:13 all things in Christ

Jn 15:10 keep my commandments

Rom 1:5 obedience

Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:

1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

2 thes 1:4 faith & patience

heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.

Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit

Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith

Col 2:5 steadfast

2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth
mt 10:22 endure to the end
rev 2:10 overcome
thks
 
1. I was justified by grace

Romans 3:24
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

Titus 3:7
that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

2. I was redeemed and all of my sins were forgiven based on grace.

Ephesians 1:7
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

3. I was made alive, or born again by grace

Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

4. I was saved by grace

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,


it is recieved in faith

Romans 3:26
to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Romans 5:1
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

It must be by faith, so it is according to grace.

Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Galatians 2:16
knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

and it is not done by works

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

Romans 4:4
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 11:6
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Ephesians 2:9
not of works, lest anyone should boast.

2 Timothy 1:9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Titus 3:5
not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
"I was justified by grace"

if you have justification then why claim eternal salvation?

we have union with God and His saints in Christ by grace!

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
(not eternal salvation)

thks

Grace questions

#1

Jn 15:1-6

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

a) If we were in Christ and are cast in the fire did we lose the grace of God or salvation?

b) How do we abide in Christ?

Jn 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

#2

Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

a) do we have eternal salvation and eternal salvation more abundantly?

b) or grace, and grace more abundantly?

#3

Mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

do we have eternal salvation to be on the narrow road that leads to eternal salvation?

#4

Mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Why are we promised eternal salvation if we possess eternal salvation?

#5

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

1 Thessalonians 5:8
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

a) Why have hope of eternal salvation if we possess eternal salvation?

b) does eternal security oppose
the virture of Hope and the holy Spirit of promise?
 
it's the effect of it. God has always saved the same way...there is no difference between what happened in Luke 7:48 and Acts 2:38.

The difference between Luke 7:48 and Acts 2:38 is huge!

The forgiveness granted to the woman in Luke 7:48 is a descriptive passage meant for one person in peculiar.

The remission of sins offered to those cut to the heart is a prescriptive passage meant for those there, the in the future and to those far away.
 
The difference between Luke 7:48 and Acts 2:38 is huge!

The forgiveness granted to the woman in Luke 7:48 is a descriptive passage meant for one person in peculiar.

The remission of sins offered to those cut to the heart is a prescriptive passage meant for those there, the in the future and to those far away.
So some people are saved by faith and others are saved by faith plus something? Is that how it works? I don't think so. Paul is very clear in Romans 4 that faith has always been what saves ALL people. He reaches all the way back to Abraham to argue that the Christians in his audience were saved the very same way the earliest saints of the Old Testament were saved...by faith. Abraham was accounted righteous BEFORE he took the steps of obedience he was called to including getting circumcised. The only difference between these Luke and Acts passages is that in Luke 7 Jesus was the speaker. He knew the woman's heart so he could declare she had faith without asking her to take any action to demonstrate it. When Peter preached in Acts, he called his audience to action...to repentance and submission to baptism. The assumption being if genuine faith had been exercised, it would be followed up with obedience.
 
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all refer back the words of the savior

mt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

thks
The disciples actions reveal and confirm over and over whose name Jesus was referring to in Matthew 28:19. (Acts 2:38, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)

There is not one instance in the Word of God where anyone administered water baptism using the phrase I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Why? Because Father is a title, not a name; Son is a title, not a name; and Holy Ghost is a title, not a name.

Scripture reveals Jesus is the name above every name whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:12) It was Jesus who was crucified to save the souls of men. (1 Cor. 13:1) And in Jesus dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. (Col. 2:9-12)

The Apostle Paul knew whose name was to be used in administering water baptism: "Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" Have you ever asked yourself whose name was Paul referring to in connection with baptism?