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phil36

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Hi Nicene,

I am sure that you don't believe what you have written that the bible authors were infallible?? I am sure even the OE don't believe that, and no one here has said that. For some reason you have asserted this yourself!
 
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Loved

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#43
You could also ask what is truth and were do we get it?

JESUS said, HE was the TRUTH, the WAY, no one comes to the FATHER execpt through me.

No let me see how close I was to exactly what the Bilble says:


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6

I was not too far off, same meaning, for the most part
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But I know a lot of Catholics, I do wonder where they seek the truth.
 
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Nalu

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#44
no.
NOT amen.

does your church know you're saying this? scott....is this accurate EO dogma?

actually NC, if you have an official EO statement saying this is i would like to see it. this pretty much ends the matter if i see an official declaration like this one.
Another NOT amen here.
 
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phil36

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#46
JESUS said, HE was the TRUTH, the WAY, no one comes to the FATHER execpt through me.

No let me see how close I was to exactly what the Bilble says:


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6

I was not too far off, same meaning, for the most part
______

But I know a lot of Catholics, I do wonder where they seek the truth.


And a guy called John wrote that?
 
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#50
Magical fairy dust... no jk.

The Church Councils were who decided this.


It took a multitude of councils to decide which books are a part of the canon.

Read this:

The meaning of Divine Inspiration of the Holy Bible and the sources that confirm its canonicity


Watch this video:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkiZ7vphaDo[/video]
And the Church council is composed of gods and not men?

You keep contradicting yourself, I am getting confused on what you beleive, if anything.

Are you just trying to make us think or are you this confused?
 

phil36

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#51
And this means that JESUS did not say it?

Or what does it mean to you?

I just pointing you to the fact that scripture is the sole infallible source for all things pertaining to Faith. If we don't believe that then anyone could say that they have infallibility..as many have falsly done.

I could tell you that I am like John, for he said he wrote Jesus' words down, so why can't I do the same....this is where Nicene was heading with his argument.

2 Tim 3:16

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

But according to some, only if a council of men say so!
 

zone

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When I say that we don't trust in the Bible I was meaning Bible Alone. We certainly believe that the Bible is Sacred and Holy, and we give it precedence in the Church, but we don't believe in the Bible Alone. I was calling this man / book idolatry. Its believing that only one time and for all, God gave infallible men in order to write the Bible, this is making the authors / book into an idol. The fact is that there were other men (successors of the "infallible" Apostles) who were as holy or almost as holy as the Apostles or Prophets and wrote and expounded on the Christian Faith, they were Bishops and Saints of the Church of Christ. Men like this still exists in the Holy Lands (like Russia and Greece), but are are not really found in America because America has become Christian Babylon.
oh.
i think i'm getting it.

the EO bosses have said the apostles as men were infallible >> and the patriarchs are the infallible successors of those infallible apostles.

so though 'the Bible is sacred and holy', its the infallible men we are concerned with.

i see. well then the idea that EO laity can't understand the Bible without an infallible apostle from EO headquarters explains why they ought to just make due with pictures and rituals. and initiations and chanting and the like.

religion is like that i suppose.
 
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#54
I just pointing you to the fact that scripture is the sole infallible source for all things pertaining to Faith. If we don't believe that then anyone could say that they have infallibility..as many have falsly done.

I could tell you that I am like John, for he said he wrote Jesus' words down, so why can't I do the same....this is where Nicene was heading with his argument.

2 Tim 3:16

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

But according to some, only if a council of men say so!
Thanks for clarifying, my head was swimming.

I have another question, if you or someone else can help.

Does the Catholic Church teach works? Do you not have to pay money to the Church in order to enter into Heaven? If so, then I dust my shoes off to this false teachings. I have heard so many different things, but I do not know, because I am not Catholic, and I do not have time to study about all religions, I am having enough trouble with living for GOD and learning HIS ways.

I will say that the Holy Spirit has revealed to me, that if you get these two thing right, you do not have much to worryabout:

1- Love the LORD, your GOD with all your heart, mnd, body and soul

2- Love others more than yourself

That is the core of JESUS' teachings
 
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#55
oh.
i think i'm getting it.

the EO bosses have said the apostles as men were infallible >> and the patriarchs are the infallible successors of those infallible apostles.

so though 'the Bible is sacred and holy', its the infallible men we are concerned with.

i see. well then the idea that EO laity can't understand the Bible without an infallible apostle from EO headquarters explains why they ought to just make due with pictures and rituals. and initiations and chanting and the like.

religion is like that i suppose.

AMEN!!

They can keep their religion, I will seek Spirituallity.
 
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oh.
i think i'm getting it.

the EO bosses have said the apostles as men were infallible >> and the patriarchs are the infallible successors of those infallible apostles.

so though 'the Bible is sacred and holy', its the infallible men we are concerned with.

i see. well then the idea that EO laity can't understand the Bible without an infallible apostle from EO headquarters explains why they ought to just make due with pictures and rituals. and initiations and chanting and the like.

religion is like that i suppose.
im going to leave this discussion alone for tonight, I have to wake up and go to the Church of Christ in the morning (Eastern Orthodox Apostolic Church).

 
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#57
im going to leave this discussion alone for tonight, I have to wake up and go to the Church of Christ in the morning (Eastern Orthodox Apostolic Church).


Yo tambien, beunos noche

hasta la manana.

Lo siento mi espanol poco dificile, poco mas beuono habla
 

zone

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And the Church council is composed of gods and not men?

You keep contradicting yourself, I am getting confused on what you beleive, if anything.

Are you just trying to make us think or are you this confused?
it appears that is what we are to believe!
good catch.
 

zone

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im going to leave this discussion alone for tonight, I have to wake up and go to the Church of Christ in the morning (Eastern Orthodox Apostolic Church).

and is that mary in the background, way up there in prominence?
and who are all the 'gods' painted on the walls? "saints" who intercede for you?

y'all face east, ya?




Ezekiel 8
Abominations in the Temple
1In the sixth year, in the sixth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I sat in my house, with the elders of Judah sitting before me, the hand of the Lord God fell upon me there. 2Then I looked, and behold, a form that had the appearance of a man.a Below what appeared to be his waist was fire, and above his waist was something like the appearance of brightness, like gleaming metal.b 3He put out the form of a hand and took me by a lock of my head, and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem, to the entrance of the gateway of the inner court that faces north, where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provokes to jealousy. 4And behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, like the vision that I saw in the valley.

5Then he said to me, “Son of man, lift up your eyes now toward the north.” So I lifted up my eyes toward the north, and behold, north of the altar gate, in the entrance, was this image of jealousy. 6And he said to me, “Son of man, do you see what they are doing, the great abominations that the house of Israel are committing here, to drive me far from my sanctuary? But you will see still greater abominations.”

7And he brought me to the entrance of the court, and when I looked, behold, there was a hole in the wall. 8Then he said to me, “Son of man, dig in the wall.” So I dug in the wall, and behold, there was an entrance. 9And he said to me, “Go in, and see the vile abominations that they are committing here.” 10So I went in and saw. And there, engraved on the wall all around, was every form of creeping things and loathsome beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel. 11And before them stood seventy men of the elders of the house of Israel, with Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan standing among them. Each had his censer in his hand, and the smoke of the cloud of incense went up. 12Then he said to me, “Son of man, have you seen what the elders of the house of Israel are doing in the dark, each in his room of pictures? For they say, ‘The Lord does not see us, the Lord has forsaken the land.’” 13He said also to me, “You will see still greater abominations that they commit.”

14Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15Then he said to me, “Have you seen this, O son of man? You will see still greater abominations than these.”

16And he brought me into the inner court of the house of the Lord. And behold, at the entrance of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about twenty-five men, with their backs to the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east, worshiping the sun toward the east. 17Then he said to me, “Have you seen this, O son of man? Is it too light a thing for the house of Judah to commit the abominations that they commit here, that they should fill the land with violence and provoke me still further to anger? Behold, they put the branch to theirc nose. 18Therefore I will act in wrath. My eye will not spare, nor will I have pity. And though they cry in my ears with a loud voice, I will not hear them.”
 
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see those doors in the middle with the cross on it, its called the holy of holies back there, thats where only the priest may enter and make our requests unto God and forgive us for our sins, that isnt biblical in the slightest according to the Word of God but only by the traditions of man. Nowhere did the early church have this outline given in conducting church,
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mixing old wine with new