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Beekeeper said:
I am aware of that detail, yet still see that the local city is identified.
I also live out of town, yet my nearest town is named on my address.
Where was Jesus sentenced to death?
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Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The reason I mentioned that Jesus suffered and died outside the city gates (Hebrews 13:12) is because Revelation is using a symbolic use of these terms.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

In Exodus 33, we see that a time came in the history of Israel, when the tabernacle was moved "without the camp" which had become polluted with the peoples idolatries concerning the worshiping of the golden calf.

It says that "every one which sought the LORD went out unto the tabernacle of the congregation, which was without the camp." Which is a type of what we are meant to do, mainly to come out of carnal worship of earthly things, such as our obsession with earthly Jerusalem, and come to worship Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth in the heavenly Jerusalem.

Exodus 33:7 And Moses took the tabernacle, and pitched it without the camp, afar off from the camp, and called it the Tabernacle of the congregation. And it came to pass, that every one which sought the LORD went out unto the tabernacle of the congregation, which was without the camp.

For here we have no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Hebrews 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
They are not the same. You can state it a thousand times more and you're wrong every time. The church doesn't replace Israel. You have the lack of understanding.
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This is really about God. It is apparent from the Bible and current events with Israel that God doesn't give up on people He loves. I know this, because He didn't give up on me, but restored our relationship. I'm much more conformed to Him because He showed me He loved me that much.

The other side doesn't understand that about God and how this sort of love will make Israel repent of their waywardness eventually. and love Him back.


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ThereRoseaLamb said:
They are not the same. You can state it a thousand times more and you're wrong every time. The church doesn't replace Israel. You have the lack of understanding.
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I don't come to this thread as often as some,so I've never seen the reason to why you believe that Israel and the church are not the same.Can you bump a post for me explaining your belief?
My understanding of scripture is that water, and blood are as one.So how is it that the old covenant and the new covenant are not one?
 
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Matthew 24:15-16
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.

I don't know if some people take these verses literally or not.When this happens it will be a modern day Exodus.God is going to separate the wheat from the chaff in the camp so to speak,like he did in the desert.
Only a remnant was spared then.It will be a time of great joy.I'm sure the Israelites felt like on top of the world knowing that God was leading them.But God will weed out disobedience and consume those who fall out of line,and only a remnant will be saved to crossover.

In that way, all of Israel will be saved.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb said:
This is absolutely false. Either you've never read the Bible or you didn't read it with comprehension. And the regular crew is just as ignorant of the Word as you are.
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If it wasn't for the big fish, Jonah wouldn't have to suffered for 3 days in a belly.
All in God's calibration.
 
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Aussie52 said:
The Church is a continuation of ethnic Israel who were rejected by Christ. The Church is now the people of God and the Israel of God. Gal 6:16
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I would not say its a continuation of ethnic Israel, but that Spiritual Israel which was in ethnic Israel. Remember Paul divulged two Israels Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
 
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Lifted_by_the_word said:
Matthew 24:15-16
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.

I don't know if some people take these verses literally or not.When this happens it will be a modern day Exodus.God is going to separate the wheat from the chaff in the camp so to speak,like he did in the desert.
Only a remnant was spared then.It will be a time of great joy.I'm sure the Israelites felt like on top of the world knowing that God was leading them.But God will weed out disobedience and consume those who fall out of line,and only a remnant will be saved to crossover.

In that way, all of Israel will be saved.
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God also showed me this in a vision or in the spirit.It was as real as life.A person was consumed by fire.A man and his wife dropped dead instantly.The earth opening up its mouth and swallowing people whole, and closing back up.
The first one was somebody in the world,but the last two were people who heard the call in the wilderness.
The man and wife sold a property of theirs but kept some of the proceeds meant for the church.
They fled to the mountains and got weeded out.
The people who got swallowed up suffered the same faith.
All of this happening was terrifying.The fear of the Lord is real.It's only by his mercy that we are able to be in his presence.Nobody shall see his face and life.Out of mercy he makes a way for us to be in his presence.
Seeing the ground open up supernaturally is more scary than seeing any natural disaster.As fast as you could blink,that's how fast the ground opened it mouth.I gathered as much courage to get as close as I can to see if anyone lived,and it was nothing but pitch black.
And the earth also closes it mouth just as quickly like the hole was never there in the first place.
It's a real mind bender.
 
brightfame52 said:
I would not say its a continuation of ethnic Israel, but that Spiritual Israel which was in ethnic Israel. Remember Paul divulged two Israels Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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There has always been one ekklesia, it existed in the OT as well.

So the accusation of "replacement theology" only comes from people who do not understand scripture or God's plan.
 
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Acts 7​

38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt,
40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
 
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Israel still exists in the church, but no all the church is Israel, and not all Israel is part of the church. To be part of the body which the church is you have to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Not all Israel are saved, only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Saved Israel is referred to as the bride in scripture, female, whereas the church is referred to as the body of Christ, with Him as its head, masculine. So they are separate but also interchangeable. This is why people get confused with the terminology :)
 
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Lifted_by_the_word said:
I don't come to this thread as often as some,so I've never seen the reason to why you believe that Israel and the church are not the same.Can you bump a post for me explaining your belief?
My understanding of scripture is that water, and blood are as one.So how is it that the old covenant and the new covenant are not one?
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Read Romans 11
 
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