Are you certain those are the words of God the Father? If so, on what do you base this view?
How do preachers or teachers explain this?
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Ever notice sinner s in jesus conversation ,Every Time The Sinner spoke the Truth Jesus instantly Forgave Them! I will love to hear someone tell a whole Truth
cus that just not something i get in my Fields .i truely understand ,No man speaks the truth. When you start seeing hearing Truth then you Know forgiven or Not? Can Not hear as a carnel mind to listen and can't be set in your own ways . Truth conversation is huge Look as Jesus did. Talk about but missed what really going on .
fun example is the Samaritan lady at the well she was shamed and was at the well by herself, she didn't want to be Seen by other people from her own Town even, after she met and talked with Jesus she told everyone now her shame was gone. That's short version she never once asked for forgiveness she just spoke the Truth imagine that!
I will try again, using different words. Those of us who believe in the Trinity, one God in three "Persons", do NOT believe in three Gods. There is, as the Bible assures us, one God.
You quote Isaiah 40:10-11, and say that it is about God the Father. However, the verses mention "God" and "Lord, but not "Father."
You say that Jesus Christ is not God. That goes against what John writes in John 1:1: "And the Word was God." In case there is any uncertainty about Who the Word is, John says in John 1:14:
(Joh 1:14 NKJV) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Thomas, when he saw the risen Jesus Christ, said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" If Jesus Christ were not God, why did Jesus not rebuke Thomas? But there were no words of rebuke:
(Joh 20:26-29 NKJV) And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!" Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing." And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Then we have Jesus saying and doing things that only God can do and say. He forgave sins. Yes, mere men can forgive people who sin against them, but Jesus forgave all the sins of the people He forgave.
He walked on water, raised the dead, calmed a storm by telling it to be still, turned many gallons of water into the finest wine, knew what people were thinking, and much more.
Then the Holy Spirit. I quoted verses from Acts 5, where Peter asks Ananias why he has lied to the Holy Spirit. Then he tells him, " You have not lied to men, but to God." If the Holy Spirit is not God, how can lying to the Holy Spirit be lying to God?
Did i miss the part where the King broke Bread aka the king Gift that was fir then now the Next king blessing is the real Deal The Jing Gift bread and Wine That Jesus waiting to eat Drink Wine that jesus vowed Not to drink until that Day
How does Jesus saying that He would not drink of the fruit of the vine until the day when He would drink it new with His disciples affect the matter of His divinity?
(Mat 26:29 NKJV) But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."
The truth is the truth, no matter how painful it may be (Hebrews 4:12).
The truth can be ignored, rejected, disbelieved, spoken against with harsh words, and even provoke anger.
But no matter what, the truth can never be denied.
The Lord Jesus, in His role as God the Father, performed wonders (literal miracles).
One example is the feeding of the multitudes (John 6) with five loaves of bread and two small fish.
Yet we know that the multitudes who ate and were satisfied became hungry again only a few hours later.
They needed food once more.
However, God's chosen ones, by sharing the truth, lead those who humble themselves and believe to know the one true God. This knowledge brings them to salvation and to eternal life.
Therefore, when comparing the wonders God performed for the multitudes with the work of God's chosen ones in leading people to the truth, the latter carries greater and everlasting significance, because it results not merely in temporary physical satisfaction but in eternal salvation.
Re "Yet we know that the multitudes who ate and were satisfied became hungry again only a few hours later.
They needed food once more.": Good point, which is why we must walk by faith rather than from miracle to miracle
as the Israelites in the wilderness did, but pooped out before reaching the promised land.
You quote Isaiah 40:10-11, and say that it is about God the Father. However, the verses mention "God" and "Lord, but not "Father."
I can say this with complete confidence. I know that the God who speaks in the Old Testament is none other than God the Father. Who do you believe is the God speaking in the Old Testament?
You say that Jesus Christ is not God. That goes against what John writes in John 1:1: "And the Word was God." In case there is any uncertainty about Who the Word is, John says in John 1:14:
Let me clarify. I am not saying that Jesus is not God. What I am saying is that Jesus, as the Son of God, is not God.
It seems you have not understood the distinction I am making.
And the verses you cited about the Lord Jesus are true.
My question is this: How do you reconcile your belief in the Trinity with what God the Father declares in Isaiah 43:10–11, that He alone is the one true God, and that there is no other besides Him?
Your theology seems to be so different to that of biblical Christianity that it is difficult for me to know how best to begin answering. I have tried posting words from the Bible where Jesus Christ accepts being addressed as "My Lord and my God!" by Thomas, and where He says and does things that only God can say or do, but still you ask me how I can reconcile the fact that In Isaiah 43 God says He is the only Saviour, and the New Testament saying that Jesus Christ is the Saviour. Jesus Christ, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit are all God. Those of us who believe that have no problem in reconciling the words in Isaiah 43 with the New Testaments many references to Jesus Christ as Saviour.
I suppose you believe that the Lord Jesus is the one being referred to in Isaiah 9:6.
What can you say about the statement made about Him that He is the Everlasting Father?
ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
From what I see, this is a call from God for you to make a decision.
The truth is that your understanding of the Lord Jesus comes only from human teaching. Therefore, no matter how you rearrange or explain your statements, you cannot truly reconcile the Trinity with Isaiah 43:10–11.
However, we who have humbled ourselves and have been chosen by God in our time have been shown the truth by Him. We understand why the Lord Jesus is truly the Savior, and we also understand that God the Father is truly the one and only God. Therefore, God the Father alone is the Savior, and there is no other.
This truth is clear to us.
TOJ #178: God the Father is revealed most fully by God the Son, who embodied God’s Holy Spirit. [John 5:36-38, 6:27b&45, 8:19, 10:30, 16:14-15] Thus, Jesus fulfilled the prophecy in Isa. 54:13. This nuance of TOJ #1 is so central in John’s gospel that I will state again the key concept: Insofar as it is possible for God to reveal Himself as a human, that person is Jesus. {John 12:44-45, 14:9-11, 17:6} For practical/ redemptive purposes, they are One {John 17:11}. (See TOJ #70 & #186.) Jesus said He would be with Believers as the Holy Spirit, who would continue to counsel or teach the truth. {John 14:16-17, 15:26, 16:12-15}
TOJ #1: Jesus is the Son of God. [Luke 2:49] Jesus’ first pupils were His parents. By the age of twelve Jesus realized that God was His heavenly Father (in fulfillment of Psa. 2:7). John 1:14 states that God’s Word/Spirit was incarnate in Jesus. Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus is God’s Son, “the exact representation of his being.” Insofar as it is possible for the almighty, immortal and invisible God (1Tim. 1:17) to reveal Himself in a mortal human (Rom. 1:3), that person is Jesus (1Tim. 2:5).
Jesus is the fullest possible revelation of the superhuman God (Col. 1:19) in the human dimension (Phil. 2:7-8). And with God all things are possible that do not contradict who He is (Matt. 19:26, Heb. 6:18). The “insofar” of this theophany is sufficient, so that the Son of God (Matt. 3:17, 17:5) or Messiah/Christ may be considered as Immanuel (Matt. 1:23) or God the Son {John 5:17-27, 10:25-38, 14:9f., 17:1-5}. This means that God may be understood as a Triunity (See TOJ #7, #49, #52 & #178).
I suddenly became interested in the verse you posted.
But I have a question: Which God is being referred to in 1 Timothy 3:16 as the One who appeared in the flesh?
You have said before that my understanding of the Lord Jesus comes from human teaching. You wite in this post: "We understand why the Lord Jesus is truly the Savior, and we also understand that God the Father is truly the one and only God" Who do you mean by "We"? I ask that because I have never come across anybody else who believes as you do. You say that Jesus Christ is not God, but then elsewhere you talk of "Jesus Christ in His role as God the Father." You say the Isaiah 43:10-11 must be only about God the Father, but those verses don't say that. You say that some parts of the Bible disagree with other parts (you asked, for example, how John 1:1-3 & 14, and John 5:19 can both be true). The truth certainly doesn't seem clear from your posts.