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Apparently you have never read Scripture with an open mind seeking to learn the truth.
If salvation is not possible, then sinners cannot justly/logically be blamed for not seeking it.
What kind of God would condemn humanity to hell? Not a kind God.
What sort of person would choose to believe in a hateful God?
Those who project their own hatred onto God and are hell-bound for such heresy.
But why does God condemn sinners to hell? Because He is perfectly holy. By nature, we are all such sinners, and deserve nothing good from God. Yet by His grace and mercy, He saves those sinners who, by His grace, come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. As for God being hateful, do you remove from your Bible, or ignore, passages such as the one where Judas Iscariot is called "the son of perdition", or where Jesus talks of hell as a place where "their worm does not die and their fire is not quenched" and many similar passages?
 
But why does God condemn sinners to hell? Because He is perfectly holy. By nature, we are all such sinners, and deserve nothing good from God. Yet by His grace and mercy, He saves those sinners who, by His grace, come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. As for God being hateful, do you remove from your Bible, or ignore, passages such as the one where Judas Iscariot is called "the son of perdition", or where Jesus talks of hell as a place where "their worm does not die and their fire is not quenched" and many similar passages?
The Almighty Must keep The word As King! , Spoken Written The ones that Reject The Holy Spirit are Already Condemed read the scripture But most of All Hear the scriptures . So really what is spoken & written is The Reward either way . Its their choice
A man king ,couldn't save John's Behead ,because the king spoke a king and that King was sorrowful that he made the oath, in his lusted weakness
 
But why does God condemn sinners to hell? Because He is perfectly holy. By nature, we are all such sinners, and deserve nothing good from God. Yet by His grace and mercy, He saves those sinners who, by His grace, come to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. As for God being hateful, do you remove from your Bible, or ignore, passages such as the one where Judas Iscariot is called "the son of perdition", or where Jesus talks of hell as a place where "their worm does not die and their fire is not quenched" and many similar passages?
Is this the nature of God?

As part of the creation of God and if this is the nature of God then I have no choice other then to accept this.

But is this the nature of God?

Is the nature of a perfectly holy God to create a perfectly unholy mankind in His image?

Is the nature of God to create a people by their nature completely unable to accept and love Him?

Is this really the God of the Bible that you read?
 
Is this the nature of God?

As part of the creation of God and if this is the nature of God then I have no choice other then to accept this.

But is this the nature of God?

Is the nature of a perfectly holy God to create a perfectly unholy mankind in His image?

Is the nature of God to create a people by their nature completely unable to accept and love Him?

Is this really the God of the Bible that you read?
God did not create a perfectly unholy mankind in His image. We are told about when God had finished creating:

(Gen 1:31 NKJV) Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

It was only later, when what has become known as the Fall occurred, that man became unholy. And right from that very first sin, we see that God punishes sin:

(Gen 3:17-19 NKJV) Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it': "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return."

That is what salvation is. We are all sinners by nature, and deserve only God's punishment. But He has sent His Son to take the punishment on behalf of all who would believe on Him.
 
You're right, I am. The idea that Christ somehow "paid for" the sins of those who end up in hell, paying for their own sins doesn't make sense. There is a hymn by Augustus Toplady which includes this verse:

If thou hast my discharge procured
And freely in my place endured
The whole of wrath divine,
Payment God cannot twice demand,
First at my bleeding Surety's hand
And then again at mine.

Jesus Christ making the payment on behalf of the sinners He saves is why in the Bible He is called the Redeemer, and why His death on the cross is referred to as a ransom.

And that was why I reproved you in love by saying you need to read Scripture with an open mind, seeking to learn the truth,
which is that salvation is offered to all sinners on the basis of Christ's atonement (John 3:16, 12:32, 1Tim. 2:3-4).
Of course, foolish sinners reject God's grace to their own just condemnation (Rom. 2:5-13, 3:21-26, Tit. 2:11, Col. 1:23).

Again, what kind of God would condemn humanity to hell without a chance to repent and be saved? Not a kind God.
What sort of person would choose to believe in a hateful God? Those who project their own hatred onto God and
therefore are hell-bound for such heresy/blasphemy.

I urge you not to be one of those but to let the mind of Christ free you from being brain-washed or calloused (2Thes. 2:10).
It is perfectly holy and just for God to offer His grace and mercy to all sinners, although He forces no one to be saved or believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. I can share my understanding of hell in more detail if you want.
 
And that was why I reproved you in love by saying you need to read Scripture with an open mind, seeking to learn the truth,
which is that salvation is offered to all sinners on the basis of Christ's atonement (John 3:16, 12:32, 1Tim. 2:3-4).
Of course, foolish sinners reject God's grace to their own just condemnation (Rom. 2:5-13, 3:21-26, Tit. 2:11, Col. 1:23).

Again, what kind of God would condemn humanity to hell without a chance to repent and be saved? Not a kind God.
What sort of person would choose to believe in a hateful God? Those who project their own hatred onto God and
therefore are hell-bound for such heresy/blasphemy.
I have never said that God does not give opportunities to repent and be saved.

(Act 17:30-31 NKJV) Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."

What I do believe is that, as Jesus Himself said, nobody can come to Him unless the Father draws them.

I urge you not to be one of those but to let the mind of Christ free you from being brain-washed or calloused (2Thes. 2:10).
 
I have never said that God does not give opportunities to repent and be saved.

(Act 17:30-31 NKJV) Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."

What I do believe is that, as Jesus Himself said, nobody can come to Him unless the Father draws them.

I am glad you are not a believer in tulipism, which teaches that God does not provide the non-elect the opportunity to become elect.
However, apparently you do not realize the logical contradiction by believing no one has the opportunity unless the Father draws them.

The way out of that double-think is to harmonize John 6:44 and 12:32 by believing that God draws everyone,
but some souls resist (per Rom. 2:4-5). I urge you to become a Scripture harmonizer, following the example of Jesus,
rather than to remain a proof-texter like the devil (Matt. 4:5-7).
 
You do not know what grace is.

Well reach me then. I assume everyone knows what grace is because it doesn't cost us anything.

This is my understanding of grace.

Grace is unmerited favor, the work and life Jesus did to be the atonement for the sins of mankind. He bought the entire field to get the treasure out of it.
The treasure are those who choose to turn their life and will over to Him every day, and genuinely live a life supporting that surrender.

What do not understand?
 
I am glad you are not a believer in tulipism, which teaches that God does not provide the non-elect the opportunity to become elect.
However, apparently you do not realize the logical contradiction by believing no one has the opportunity unless the Father draws them.

The way out of that double-think is to harmonize John 6:44 and 12:32 by believing that God draws everyone,
but some souls resist (per Rom. 2:4-5). I urge you to become a Scripture harmonizer, following the example of Jesus,
rather than to remain a proof-texter like the devil (Matt. 4:5-7).

Right GWH, we have those Jesus referred to when the apostles asked Him why He spoke in parables. He replied to them by saying I speak in parables so you can understand and so those ones won't accidentally understand, and I would have to save them.

And, we have the households of those few He spoke of. " many are called, few are chosen. " the salvation of the households of those few chosen are going to be the first thing those few chosen will ask for. And Jesus did say ask anything and it will be given u to you. But that is only to those who are in Him, those few, who would never ask for anything for themselves

But since the majority of the called out ones in here are still struggling with what faith and faithing even is, those two examples I gave probably shouldn't be discussed yet.
 
Right GWH, we have those Jesus referred to when the apostles asked Him why He spoke in parables. He replied to them by saying I speak in parables so you can understand and so those ones won't accidentally understand, and I would have to save them.

And, we have the households of those few He spoke of. " many are called, few are chosen. " the salvation of the households of those few chosen are going to be the first thing those few chosen will ask for. And Jesus did say ask anything and it will be given u to you. But that is only to those who are in Him, those few, who would never ask for anything for themselves

But since the majority of the called out ones in here are still struggling with what faith and faithing even is, those two examples I gave probably shouldn't be discussed yet.

A discussion of the parables of Jesus on CC a few months ago prompted me to do the followiing systematic study of them:

The first parable is The Parable of the Seeds in Matt. 13:1-23, which sets the stage for all of the others.

In this parable a farmer sowed seed on four types of soil: a path, rocky ground, thorny ground, and fertile soil–with appropriate results. Discerning the meaning involved understanding the metaphors that were used, most of which were explained by Jesus in v.18-23: seed = GW re the KOH, understands = believes, healed = saved, ears = normal adult souls, hear = be good seed. The apparent meaning of the parable per v. 9 is thus, “Let all accountable souls be allowed to hear and be saved.”

However, this meaning is made problematic by what Jesus told his disciples between relating the parable and then explaining its meaning (v.10-11) regarding his purpose of speaking in parables: “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you (disciples), but not to them (the rest of the people).” Jesus said (in v.14-15) the people fulfilled Isa. 6:9-10, which says in part, “you will be ever seeing but never perceiving, for this people’s heart has become calloused… Otherwise they might… turn, and I would heal them.” In v.12 Jesus said, “Whoever has will be given more… and whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.”

A person might interpret what Jesus said regarding the secrets to mean that he wanted them to remain unknown except by his disciples, but a few verses later in Matt. 13:34 it says that Jesus spoke in parables in order to fulfill “what was spoken through the prophet: I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world”, which implies that he wants to share the secrets with the people.

Thus, unless these statements (Matt. 13:10-17 & 13:34-35) can be harmonized, one must choose between two contradictory interpretations:
1. Jesus purposefully hid knowledge from some while revealing it to others according to His will, or
2. Jesus allowed souls to reject saving knowledge or to accept it and be his disciples.

Deciding which understanding to adopt necessitates considering the second parable of Jesus, The Parable of the Weeds in Matt. 13:24-30. In this parable a man sowed wheat seeds in his field, but his enemy came while folks were sleeping and sowed weeds among the wheat. When it became apparent that the field was contaminated, the owner’s servants asked whether they should pull up the weeds, and he told them to wait until the harvest, at which time the weeds should be burned and the wheat gathered into his barn.

Later in the privacy of a house Jesus explained the meaning of this parable, saying that the good seed was sown by the Son of Man, the field is the world, the good seed stands for those who belong to the kingdom, the weeds are those who belong to the evil one, the enemy who sowed the bad seed is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. At the end of the age the Son of Man will send angels to weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and everyone who does evil and throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, while the righteous will shine in the kingdom of their Father. Jesus concluded by saying, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”

The mention of Judgment and the opposite destinies of happiness or hell indicates that Jesus employed parables as a means of pre-sifting souls by showing who would understand/believe or not. Some people opine that God/Jesus causes people to believe or not, but notice that in Matt. 13:10-15 Jesus did NOT say that he prevents people from becoming his disciples or that he causes people’s hearts to be calloused, so let us be careful not to pre-sift ourselves by projecting our own hatred onto the all-loving Christ.

Understanding God/Christ to be all-loving is gained by searching the Scriptures for insight rather than implicitly accusing Jesus of hating his enemies, which borders on blasphemy against the loving Holy Spirit. The omnilove of Jesus is indicated by such Scriptures as Matt. 23:37, in which Jesus lamented over Jerusalem’s lack of repentance or rejection of his preaching (cf. Matt. 22:39, John 3:16, Rom. 5:6-8, 1Tim. 2:3-4).

We can see that deciding which understanding of the purpose of parables to adopt involves rejecting or accepting Scriptures teaching that God loves everyone, not only the elect or disciples of Jesus. Thus, the doctrine of parables is related to the doctrine of election as a subcategory.

I choose to accept the teachings that God is omnilove or loves everyone and wants all to be saved but allows volition and thereby moral accountability to exist, so that souls may reject the Gospel and put faith in I-dolatry. I note that Jesus explained the Parable of the Seeds in plain language, and that the Parable of the Tenants passage indicated his enemies understood he was being critical of them.
 
I am glad you are not a believer in tulipism, which teaches that God does not provide the non-elect the opportunity to become elect.
However, apparently you do not realize the logical contradiction by believing no one has the opportunity unless the Father draws them.
I don't believe in an "ism" based on the so-called "Five Points of Calvinism." I do believe in those points.
The way out of that double-think is to harmonize John 6:44 and 12:32 by believing that God draws everyone,
but some souls resist (per Rom. 2:4-5). I urge you to become a Scripture harmonizer, following the example of Jesus,
rather than to remain a proof-texter like the devil (Matt. 4:5-7).
I do seek to harmonise Scripture. Did God draw Judas Iscariot, whom Jesus called the son of perdition, or those to whom Jesus said they were of their father the devil? Then we have Jesus saying:

(Joh 6:37 NKJV) All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

I don't think you and I are going to agree on this, so I will leave it there.
 
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I don't believe in an "ism" based on the so-called "Five Points of Calvinism." I do believe in those points.

I do seek to harmonise Scripture. Did God draw Judas Iscariot, whom Jesus called the son of perdition, or those to whom Jesus said they were of their father the devil? Then we have Jesus saying:

(Joh 6:37 NKJV) All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

I don't think you and I are going to agree on this, so I will leave it there.

Because the points are referred to as TULIP, someone who believes those points is a tulipist per normal semantics,
and each point is a sub-ism of the total ism per normal math.

Seeking to harmonize Scripture is good.
Yes, God loved Judas, and all who sin are sons of perdition before they repent. The jury is still out regarding whether Judas repented at the end before committing suicide.
Ditto re the Pharisees in John 8:44-48.

Those who commit apostasy cast themselves out.
We will agree if both of us are honestly seeking to understand Scripture with an open mind willing to amend previous beliefs.
As evidence of my truthseeking, I cite the amending of my belief in OSAS upon learning Scripture indicating the possibility of apostasy. I have shared other examples on the thread I started for that purpose: What folks have learned via discussions on CC.
Do you have evidence of amending a previous wrong belief that you can share?
 
Right GWH, we have those Jesus referred to when the apostles asked Him why He spoke in parables. He replied to them by saying I speak in parables so you can understand and so those ones won't accidentally understand, and I would have to save them.

And, we have the households of those few He spoke of. " many are called, few are chosen. " the salvation of the households of those few chosen are going to be the first thing those few chosen will ask for. And Jesus did say ask anything and it will be given u to you. But that is only to those who are in Him, those few, who would never ask for anything for themselves

But since the majority of the called out ones in here are still struggling with what faith and faithing even is, those two examples I gave probably shouldn't be discussed yet.

Here is the faith that I believe alone saves:

The normative way of stating saving faith in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6) or “Love Jesus as Messiah and Lord” (John 8:42). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in these statements can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.

2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).

3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).

4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey (Phil. 3:12, 1John 1:8) His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).

5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4). Such cooperation can be termed “the surrendered life”.

6. This creed summarizes revelation of the NT Gospel/Truth (Matt. 26:13, John 14:6), which fulfilled the OT revelation (Matt. 5:17, John 19:30, Heb. 7:11-10:10) and culminates the search for salvation by souls who know only general revelation (Rom. 1:20, 2:14-16, Matt. 7:12). Seeking begins when souls love truth/repent of false beliefs (2Thes. 2:10&13, Matt. 4:17, 7:7), which is the Way to eternal life God wills, who is the Lord Jesus (Matt. 7:14, John 1:14, 4:24, 14:6). Lacking this love leads to believing lies and debauchery (Matt. 7:6, Rom. 1:18&25-26, 2Thes. 2:11-12).

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Here is the faith that I believe alone saves:

The normative way of stating saving faith in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in Acts 16:31, 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6) or “Love Jesus as Messiah and Lord” (John 8:42). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in these statements can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.

2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).

3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).

4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey (Phil. 3:12, 1John 1:8) His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).

5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4). Such cooperation can be termed “the surrendered life”.

6. This creed summarizes revelation of the NT Gospel/Truth (Matt. 26:13, John 14:6), which fulfilled the OT revelation (Matt. 5:17, John 19:30, Heb. 7:11-10:10) and culminates the search for salvation by souls who know only general revelation (Rom. 1:20, 2:14-16, Matt. 7:12). Seeking begins when souls love truth/repent of false beliefs (2Thes. 2:10&13, Matt. 4:17, 7:7), which is the Way to eternal life God wills, who is the Lord Jesus (Matt. 7:14, John 1:14, 4:24, 14:6). Lacking this love leads to believing lies and debauchery (Matt. 7:6, Rom. 1:18&25-26, 2Thes. 2:11-12).

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OK Gwh, let's go through it one point at a time.

I see where you added a surrendered life, but you added it to the end as if it were only apart of the maturity of a Christian. A continually surrendered life starts , maintains, and completes the entire salvation process.

Looking at the first thing that jumps out at me.

1) the statement "accept Christ as lord."

This statement is saying that if I accept Jesus as Lord of my life , I will receive the Holy Spirit, and that just won't happen.

I realize this is the go to answer if someone were to ask me how do I become a Christian, but it's just not true. But this phrase is an inevitable accompaniment of understanding faith and faithing wrong. Example: "i believe " in Gods word or what Jesus said and did, so the next probable step is accepting that information or not. One untruth can't lead to truth.

Lets looks at who and what is being accepted to be a Christian.

Will me accepting Jesus as Lord of my life result in receiving the Holy spirit? No!
That is because to become a Christian, Jesus is the one who does the accepting, and the excepting. And the credibility or genuineness of Jesus isn't on trial here, we and our faith is.

What is being accepted to become a Christian?
FAITH AND FAITHING.
A commitment to Him by a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. When I make the fist act of faith, the first surrender to Him, He will either accept it as Genuine or not. If it's deemed Genuine, we move to the next surrender, then the next surrender, and so on. Each time HE will accept the faith or the surrender we are making to Him.

I'll stop there for comment. And I'll entertain comments from anyone.
 
What is being accepted to become a Christian?
FAITH AND FAITHING.
A commitment to Him by a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. When I make the fist act of faith, the first surrender to Him, He will either accept it as Genuine or not. If it's deemed Genuine, we move to the next surrender, then the next surrender, and so on. Each time HE will accept the faith or the surrender we are making to Him.

But isn't Jesus the Savior?
 
Could you elaborate on your question?

Sure. what I meant is that if Jesus is actually the Savior as Scripture tells us He is, then as the Savior, He has already accomplished all required to save me so there would be nothing remaining for me to do to obtain it. Otherwise, He wouldn't be the Savior

Titus 3:4 - 7
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

That being justified by his grace
, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
 
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Sure. what I meant is that if Jesus is actually the Savior as Scripture tells us He is, then as the Savior, He has already accomplished all required to save me so there would be nothing remaining for me to do to obtain it. Otherwise, He wouldn't be the Savior

Titus 3:4 - 7
But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

That being justified by his grace
, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

No disagreement on Jesus being the savior and has done everything to achieve that. What were ultimately discussing is how do we receive it, receive Him.

GWH has in his creed that "accepting Jesus as lord" is how He is received . I disagree with that.

We receive Him by faith and faithing. That is the question. Not something in addition to His finished, completed work to be the Saviour. That is Grace, we are discussing faith and faithing.
 
No disagreement on Jesus being the savior and has done everything to achieve that. What were ultimately discussing is how do we receive it, receive Him.

GWH has in his creed that "accepting Jesus as lord" is how He is received . I disagree with that.

We receive Him by faith and faithing. That is the question. Not something in addition to His finished, completed work to be the Saviour. That is Grace, we are discussing faith and faithing.

I see it in the reverse. You are separating Grace and Faith as if Christ provides the grace, but we provide the 'faithing.' But Scripture treats faith as a direct byproduct of His salvation, not a human contribution. If Jesus is a complete Savior, He doesn't just provide salvation and hope we choose it; He freely gives us the very faith required to receive Him. We don't 'faith' our way to Jesus; Jesus saves us, and His salvation produces our faith
 
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I see it in the reverse. You are separating Grace and Faith as if Christ provides the grace, but we provide the 'faithing.' But Scripture treats faith as a direct byproduct of His salvation, not a human contribution. If Jesus is a complete Savior, He doesn't just provide salvation and hope we choose it; He freely gives us the very faith required to receive Him. We don't 'faith' our way to Jesus; Jesus saves us, and His salvation produces our faith

It's actually ends up being both. We start by faithing into Him. As we become more of Him and less of us, our faith does the same thing, it becomes more of His faith and less of ours. That is the perfecting process.