Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?

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DavidLamb said:
That goes against what John wrote in John 1:1-3 & 14.
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You said that the Word was God (John 1:1). Therefore, even a single word of God should not be disregarded.

You were the one who said that the Holy Scriptures are clear and not ambiguous.
How do you reconcile John 5:19 with John 1:1–3 and 14?

How can you believe both John 5:19 and John 1:1–3 and 14 at the same time?
 
Godsgood said:
It is clear that your understanding of the Lord Jesus comes only from human teaching. That is contrary to the truth, because the true knowledge of the Lord Jesus must come from God, not from man (Matthew 16:15–17).
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How is John 1:1-3 & 14 human teaching? It is God's word, and does not come from man. Your ideas of Who Jesus Christ is seem from your posts to be very muddled, with you saying that He is not God, then saying elsewhere that He has a role as God the Father. You then say to anybody who disagrees with your ideas has an understanding based on human teaching, even when, as I did, they quote God's word to support their beliefs.
 
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Godsgood said:
You said that the Word was God (John 1:1). Therefore, even a single word of God should not be disregarded.

You were the one who said that the Holy Scriptures are clear and not ambiguous.
How do you reconcile John 5:19 with John 1:1–3 and 14?

How can you believe both John 5:19 and John 1:1–3 and 14 at the same time?
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If John 5:19 and John 1:1–3 and 14 are not both true, why are both passages in God's word?

John 5:19 says:

(Joh 5:19 NKJV) Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

That doesn't mean that the Son is not God and the Father is God. It shows the close unity of Father and Son. Unlike many merely human sons, Jesus Christ did not go off by Himself and "do His own thing" independent of His heavenly Father. He does what the Father does, and what the Father wishes.

There is no contradiction between John 1:1-3 & 14 and John 5:19.
 
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DavidLamb said:
If John 5:19 and John 1:1–3 and 14 are not both true, why are both passages in God's word?

John 5:19 says:

(Joh 5:19 NKJV) Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.

That doesn't mean that the Son is not God and the Father is God. It shows the close unity of Father and Son. Unlike many merely human sons, Jesus Christ did not go off by Himself and "do His own thing" independent of His heavenly Father. He does what the Father does, and what the Father wishes.

There is no contradiction between John 1:1-3 & 14 and John 5:19.
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Unless God sees humility in your heart, your knowledge of the Lord Jesus will remain based only on what you have learned from others. As a result, you will not come to know the true Jesus whom the apostles and disciples knew. For the knowledge of the Lord Jesus comes only through divine revelation from God (Matthew 16:15–17).
And if you do not know the true Jesus, you cannot know God the Father (John 8:19).

Unless you come to know God the father, your sins cannot be forgiven (Jeremiah 31:34), and you will not receive the wisdom and understanding that come from God (Proverbs 2:6).

Therefore, your belief in the doctrine of the Trinity, that there is one God who exists as three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, can never be reconciled with what God the Father Himself declared in Isaiah 43:10–11: "I alone am God, and there is no other besides Me."
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
If you have recognized this truth revealed by God the Father, then you will also see that He calls His chosen ones to bear witness to it.
Therefore, if you are unable to testify to this truth, it is evidence that you have not yet come to know the one true God.
 
Dino246 said:
That is heresy.

Continue with your heresy, and you will be reported and banned.
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This website was created for those who read and believe in the Holy Scriptures.
That is why this Christian Chat Forum is called a Bible Discussion Forum.
Its purpose is to help people seek and find the truth.

There are now around 45,000 to 50,000 Christian denominations, and each one has its own understanding of the Scriptures. Because of this, they have their own traditions and doctrines, since they have four different understandings of who the Lord Jesus is.

So why would you not expect that there would be people joining this forum whose beliefs do not agree with yours?

Perhaps, if what you want is for everyone reading the threads to agree with your beliefs, then you should simply establish your own church and make sure that everyone who enters to listen to your teachings already agrees with what you believe.
 
Godsgood said:
Unless God sees humility in your heart, your knowledge of the Lord Jesus will remain based only on what you have learned from others. As a result, you will not come to know the true Jesus whom the apostles and disciples knew. For the knowledge of the Lord Jesus comes only through divine revelation from God (Matthew 16:15–17).
And if you do not know the true Jesus, you cannot know God the Father (John 8:19).

Unless you come to know God the father, your sins cannot be forgiven (Jeremiah 31:34), and you will not receive the wisdom and understanding that come from God (Proverbs 2:6).

Therefore, your belief in the doctrine of the Trinity, that there is one God who exists as three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, can never be reconciled with what God the Father Himself declared in Isaiah 43:10–11: "I alone am God, and there is no other besides Me."
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
If you have recognized this truth revealed by God the Father, then you will also see that He calls His chosen ones to bear witness to it.
Therefore, if you are unable to testify to this truth, it is evidence that you have not yet come to know the one true God.
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You claim to know a great deal about me. You question my humility, you say that I don't know the true Jesus, that I don't know the one true God, and you say that the teaching that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the one God cannot be reconciled with Isaiah 43:10-11, which, you claim, even though the verses do not say so, is God the Father speaking.

Paul tells his young friend Timothy:

(1Ti 3:16 NKJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

How was God manifested in the flesh? Did God the Father take on flesh? No. It is Jesus Christ. Yet you continue saying that Jesus Christ is not God.

Peter told Ananias:

(Act 5:3-4 NKJV) But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

Peter says that Ananias had lied to the Holy Spirit, then says that is lying to God. So the Holy Spirit is God. Yet you continue arguing that only the Father is God.
 
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Godsgood said:
This website was created for those who read and believe in the Holy Scriptures.
That is why this Christian Chat Forum is called a Bible Discussion Forum.
Its purpose is to help people seek and find the truth.

There are now around 45,000 to 50,000 Christian denominations, and each one has its own understanding of the Scriptures. Because of this, they have their own traditions and doctrines, since they have four different understandings of who the Lord Jesus is.

So why would you not expect that there would be people joining this forum whose beliefs do not agree with yours?

Perhaps, if what you want is for everyone reading the threads to agree with your beliefs, then you should simply establish your own church and make sure that everyone who enters to listen to your teachings already agrees with what you believe.
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But I'm sure I remember you claiming to have special revelation direct from God that is not in the Bible. Yet here you are using the fact that this is a Bible Discussion Forum!
 
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Godsgood said:
This website was created for those who read and believe in the Holy Scriptures.
That is why this Christian Chat Forum is called a Bible Discussion Forum.
Its purpose is to help people seek and find the truth.

There are now around 45,000 to 50,000 Christian denominations, and each one has its own understanding of the Scriptures. Because of this, they have their own traditions and doctrines, since they have four different understandings of who the Lord Jesus is.

So why would you not expect that there would be people joining this forum whose beliefs do not agree with yours?

Perhaps, if what you want is for everyone reading the threads to agree with your beliefs, then you should simply establish your own church and make sure that everyone who enters to listen to your teachings already agrees with what you believe.
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Like I said before, persist with your heresy and you will be reported to the moderator.
 
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Godsgood said:
You said that the Word was God (John 1:1). Therefore, even a single word of God should not be disregarded.

You were the one who said that the Holy Scriptures are clear and not ambiguous.
How do you reconcile John 5:19 with John 1:1–3 and 14?

How can you believe both John 5:19 and John 1:1–3 and 14 at the same time?
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You seem to choose which verses you believe and which you reject. You are obviously operating on mere human understanding rather than seeking the Lord on this matter.
 
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Dino246 said:
That is heresy.

Continue with your heresy, and you will be reported and banned.
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From the very beginning, God has already exposed you.
At first, you mocked and ridiculed my sharing of the truth of God's Word.
Then, when I did not agree with your beliefs and continued sharing, you told me to stop.
When I refused to stop, you spoke harshly against me.
And at one point, you even said that I was of the devil.
When I still continued to share, you said you would discredit me before the people reading this forum so they would not believe me.
And because I still would not stop, now you want to have me banned so that you can silence me completely.

Truly, the Word of God never passes away (Matthew 24:35).

According to God's revelation, you are no different from the Jews in the New Testament who were led by the Scribes and Pharisees. When they heard the Lord Jesus proclaiming the truth, they also tried to stop Him.
When He would not stop, they spoke evil against Him.
They even called the Lord a glutton and a drunkard.
They accused Him of associating with sinners.
LUKE 7:34
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

And when the Lord still did not stop proclaiming the truth, they also spread word among the people, telling them not to believe Him.
JOHN 10:20
20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

And when the Lord still did not stop proclaiming the truth, they sought to injure Him.
JOHN 8:59
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

And when the Lord continued, they sought to put Him to death so that they could silence Him once and for all and stop Him from proclaiming the truth.

So they paid Judas to betray the Lord into their hands. Their plan succeeded, and they had the Lord put to death by crucifying Him on the cross.
Without realizing it, they were following the temptation of the devil. They believed that the Lord, who is the Truth (John 14:6), would finally be silenced.
They believed that they had finally succeeded in putting an end to the proclamation of the Truth.

To be certain that the Truth would be completely silenced, they had the Lord’s body guarded.
However, they were alarmed when the guards reported the actual events concerning the disappearance of the Lord Jesus’ body.
And to ensure that the Truth would be silenced once and for all, they paid the guards to spread a false report, claiming that the disciples had stolen the Lord’s body, causing it to disappear.
MATTHEW 28:12-15
12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
 
DavidLamb said:
But I'm sure I remember you claiming to have special revelation direct from God that is not in the Bible. Yet here you are using the fact that this is a Bible Discussion Forum!
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It is not only me, because every person who knows the one true God has a personal relationship with Him. God reveals the truth of His Word to that person, and this truth is shared with others so that God’s lost sheep may be found. When the Lord finds them, they will also come to have a personal relationship with God.

That is why I share in this Bible discussion forum, hoping that if there are any of God’s lost sheep here, they may be found by Him. God alone knows.
 
DavidLamb said:
You claim to know a great deal about me. You question my humility, you say that I don't know the true Jesus, that I don't know the one true God, and you say that the teaching that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the one God cannot be reconciled with Isaiah 43:10-11, which, you claim, even though the verses do not say so, is God the Father speaking.

Paul tells his young friend Timothy:

(1Ti 3:16 NKJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

How was God manifested in the flesh? Did God the Father take on flesh? No. It is Jesus Christ. Yet you continue saying that Jesus Christ is not God.

Peter told Ananias:

(Act 5:3-4 NKJV) But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

Peter says that Ananias had lied to the Holy Spirit, then says that is lying to God. So the Holy Spirit is God. Yet you continue arguing that only the Father is God.
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What I claim is that I know the one true God.
I am not the one questioning your humility; rather, God is the One revealing that it is not seen in your heart.
The Lord Jesus Himself also reveals that you do not know the true Jesus, which is why He is teaching you how you can know Him.
This is through humility.
Your knowledge of the Lord Jesus comes only from people, which is why you also cannot determine which God is speaking.

Because you do not have a personal relationship with God, you are unable to reconcile the doctrine of the Trinity with Isaiah 43:10–11.
That is why the only conclusion you can come to is that it is uncertain who is speaking in the book of Isaiah.
 
Godsgood said:
It is not only me, because every person who knows the one true God has a personal relationship with Him.
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Yes, I agree with that.
Godsgood said:
God reveals the truth of His Word to that person, and this truth is shared with others so that God’s lost sheep may be found. When the Lord finds them, they will also come to have a personal relationship with God.
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Again, I agree. What I don't agree with is the claim to have received private revelations from God which are not in the Bible, or even go against what the Bible says. You seemed to be claiming such revelations, but if I misunderstood you, and you just meant that God helps people understand the Bible, then I humbly apologise.
Godsgood said:
That is why I share in this Bible discussion forum, hoping that if there are any of God’s lost sheep here, they may be found by Him. God alone knows.
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Godsgood said:
What I claim is that I know the one true God.
I am not the one questioning your humility; rather, God is the One revealing that it is not seen in your heart.
The Lord Jesus Himself also reveals that you do not know the true Jesus, which is why He is teaching you how you can know Him.
This is through humility.
Your knowledge of the Lord Jesus comes only from people, which is why you also cannot determine which God is speaking.
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So you claim to know what God sees in my heart? That seems very questionable, to say the least. The fact that God knows whether or not I am humble does not mean that you know too.

My knowledge of Jesus comes from His word.
 
DavidLamb said:
So you claim to know what God sees in my heart? That seems very questionable, to say the least. The fact that God knows whether or not I am humble does not mean that you know too.

My knowledge of Jesus comes from His word.
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David, in all your posts you have shown both humility and politeness.
 
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Godsgood said:
From the very beginning, God has already exposed you.
At first, you mocked and ridiculed my sharing of the truth of God's Word.
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From the beginning, you have been posting errors that contradict God's word. I have pointed them out. I have stated clearly where you are in error and have posted correction after correction.

You call that "mocking" and "ridiculing" because you can't handle correction, and you can't handle the fact that you are objectively wrong on many things.

Instead of humbling yourself and welcoming correction, you have either pretended to hear from God or you have welcomed an unclean spirit that speaks lies to you.

When challenged to present EVIDENCE supporting your accusations, you have dodged, avoided, changed the subject, and thrown shade. At no time have you provided ANYTHING resembling evidence supporting your accusations.

You are a false teacher, a false accuser, and recently revealed, a heretic.
 
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Dino246 said:
That is heresy.

Continue with your heresy, and you will be reported and banned.
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But if the Scribes and the Pharisees believed that they had completely silenced or put an end to the truth, they were mistaken.
The Lord Jesus knew that He still had other lost sheep.
That is why the work He began was continued by His disciples. In time, they found those lost sheep.

Therefore, if, in the Lord's foreknowledge, He knows that no lost sheep visit this Bible discussion forum, then He Himself will allow circumstances that will bring the proclamation of the truth here to an end.

But if, in His foreknowledge, He knows that there are lost sheep who visit this forum, then no matter what you do to stop or silence the truth, you will not succeed.
Even if I am no longer the one to share it, the Lord will surely appoint someone else through whom He can find His lost sheep.

The Lord will always bring about the necessary circumstances so that His lost sheep may hear the truth as the voice of God
LUKE 19:40
40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

But as for your present condition, only God truly knows.
I hope you will not become like the fig tree.
Then again, this may not concern you, because since you do not recognize the one true God, you do not believe that God speaks in parables (Psalms 78:2, Ezekiel 20:49, and Mark 4:34).
Therefore, your understanding of the fig tree is only literal tree.

But in truth, the fig tree represents a person, a person whom, in the Lord's foreknowledge, He knows will no longer humble himself before Him.
Because of this, there is no longer any hope that he will come to know the one true God.
Therefore, even while he is still alive, he has already been cursed by the Lord.
Though he has not yet died, he has already come under judgment and condemnation.
MATTHEW 21:19
19 ;And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

That is why I feel sorry for anyone who believes in you and puts their trust in you.
Because you will lead them into the same condition.
For if they become your disciple, the Lord Jesus said that you will make them even worse than yourself.
MATTHEW 23:15
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

I will say it again: only God knows.
 
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