Was Judas Iscariot saved, or was he not?

[Godsgood]

He knows the rampant and serious errors in your "teaching", and He will silence you if you persist in rejecting correction.

You are the one trying to stop me.
That is why you do not know what else to do to make me stop.
You have even resorted to threatening to report me and have me banned just to silence me.

But unless the Lord Himself stops me, I will continue sharing the truth found in the Word of God.
As for you, you may continue denouncing the truth.
The Lord will not stop you, just as He neither stopped nor silenced Cain..
GENESIS 4:!5
15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

And just as He did not stop or silence the devil..
Instead, He allowed him to continue his evil work, carrying it out against those whom the Lord has chosen.
LUKE 22:31-32
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

So, as you said, you will continue criticizing the truth that I share.
You are free to do so, according to your own will, because God has permitted you to do it.

 

[Godsgood]

But I'm sure I remember you claiming to have special revelation direct from God that is not in the Bible. Yet here you are using the fact that this is a Bible Discussion Forum!

Paul received revelation from God, and he shared God's revelation with the Jews.
GALATIANS 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

I acknowledge that I receive revelation from God, and I share it here on this Bible Discussion Forum. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't seem to see any connection between what you said and what I said, that the people who visit this website are readers and believers of the Holy Scriptures, each having their own understanding and beliefs about the word of God.

 

[Dino246]

Paul received revelation from God, and he shared God's revelation with the Jews.
GALATIANS 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

I acknowledge that I receive revelation from God, and I share it here on this Bible Discussion Forum. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't seem to see any connection between what you said and what I said, that the people who visit this website are readers and believers of the Holy Scriptures, each having their own understanding and beliefs about the word of God.

The problem is that some of what you share contradicts Scripture rather than aligning with it. You don't accept correction. You dismiss those who call out your errors as "not knowing the one true God".

Those are not the marks of someone who hears from God, but of someone who is getting their "revelation" from an unclean spirit.

It is YOU who has failed the test of 1 John 4:2.

 

[DavidLamb]

Paul received revelation from God, and he shared God's revelation with the Jews.
GALATIANS 1:11-12
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

I acknowledge that I receive revelation from God, and I share it here on this Bible Discussion Forum. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't seem to see any connection between what you said and what I said, that the people who visit this website are readers and believers of the Holy Scriptures, each having their own understanding and beliefs about the word of God.

But if it's a Bible discussion forum, then discussions should be based on what is in the Bible, not on supposed private revelations.

 

[Godsgood]

But if it's a Bible discussion forum, then discussions should be based on what is in the Bible, not on supposed private revelations.

A Bible Discussion Forum is not about proving who is better at explaining the Word of God. It is about seeking the truth, because it is the truth alone that sets people free.
JOHN 8:32
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

What is the value of having knowledge of God's Word if it does not align with the truth?

 

[Godsgood]

So you claim to know what God sees in my heart? That seems very questionable, to say the least. The fact that God knows whether or not I am humble does not mean that you know too.

My knowledge of Jesus comes from His word.

This is something you should know:

God reveals to His chosen ones those who do not belong to Him.
Therefore, those who are chosen by God are able to discern who is not of God.
Because God has clothed His chosen ones with garments of salvation (Isaiah 61:10).
Therefore, they are dressed in wedding garments.
Those who are not wearing the wedding garment can easily be recognized, because God reveals them.
MATTHEW 22:8-13
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Dino246]

What is the value of having knowledge of God's Word if it does not align with the truth?

Do you realize the sheer stupidity of that question?

God's Word IS truth (John 17:17).

The only "aligning" that needs to happen is our ideas or extrabiblical "revelations" to God's word, not the other way around!

 

[Dino246]

This is something you should know:

God reveals to His chosen ones those who do not belong to Him.
Therefore, those who are chosen by God are able to discern who is not of God.
Because God has clothed His chosen ones with garments of salvation (Isaiah 61:10).
Therefore, they are dressed in wedding garments.
Those who are not wearing the wedding garment can easily be recognized, because God reveals them.
MATTHEW 22:8-13
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

You have seriously misunderstood the parable, and inserted yourself in it in the wrong place, both revealing your arrogance and displaying your ignorance.

Jesus is the King; you aren't.

Nothing in the parable or the context suggests that it is about "God's chosen ones" receiving "revelation" as to who doesn't belong to Him. Nor does it suggest that God reveals these things to anyone else at any time before the marriage supper.

 

[rewriter]

You have seriously misunderstood the parable, and inserted yourself in it in the wrong place, both revealing your arrogance and displaying your ignorance.

Jesus is the King; you aren't.

Nothing in the parable or the context suggests that it is about "God's chosen ones" receiving "revelation" as to who doesn't belong to Him. Nor does it suggest that God reveals these things to anyone else at any time before the marriage supper.

Just to support what you said, presumably there were multiple guests and others present when the king entered, yet it was only the king who recognized that one person was not in the proper attire. The fellow attendees did not seem to see an issue.

 

[DavidLamb]

A Bible Discussion Forum is not about proving who is better at explaining the Word of God. It is about seeking the truth, because it is the truth alone that sets people free.
JOHN 8:32
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

What is the value of having knowledge of God's Word if it does not align with the truth?

I would agree that a discussion forum is not a competition to see who can best explain the Bible. I hope you don't think that I have been trying to win such a competition.

 

[DavidLamb]

This is something you should know:

God reveals to His chosen ones those who do not belong to Him.

God doesn't tell us that in His word. We can only tell by their fruits, not by God saying, "This one is My chosen one, that one isn't."

 

[Godsgood]

He knows the rampant and serious errors in your "teaching", and He will silence you if you persist in rejecting correction.

Anyone who does not know the one true God holds beliefs that are contrary to the truth.

The truth is that those chosen by God are the ones who proclaim the truth, yet they are the very ones he forbids from doing so.
MATTHEW 16:20
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

And those who are not of God are not the ones he commands to keep silent.
Rather, he allows them to continue in their evil works.
GENESIS 4:13-15
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Even the devil was not commanded by God to be silent.
Instead, he was also permitted to continue doing what is evil.
LUKE 22:31-32
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Therefore, based on what the Lord has revealed in this truth, I expect that whenever I share the truth in the Word of God, you will always be there, watching and ready to oppose the truth.

Yes, if you desire me to be silent in my sharing, that is your choice.
But I do not wish for you to be silent, because out of my fear of the Lord, I do not want Him to punish me seven times.
GENESIS 4:15
15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

 

[Godsgood]

God doesn't tell us that in His word. We can only tell by their fruits, not by God saying, "This one is My chosen one, that one isn't."

"This one is My chosen one, that one isn't."
You really will not find anything like that written there.

God knows who are the sheep and who are the goats, and He reveals this to His chosen ones.
Therefore, God's chosen ones know who the sheep are and who the goats are.
And because of that, the ones His chosen people go to in order to share the truth of God's Word are the goats, not those who are like them, the sheep.

If you do not know this, it means that God has not revealed the truth of His Word to you.

 

[DavidLamb]

"This one is My chosen one, that one isn't."
You really will not find anything like that written there.

God knows who are the sheep and who are the goats, and He reveals this to His chosen ones.
Therefore, God's chosen ones know who the sheep are and who the goats are.
And because of that, the ones His chosen people go to in order to share the truth of God's Word are the goats, not those who are like them, the sheep.

If you do not know this, it means that God has not revealed the truth of His Word to you.

Where in the Bible are we told that God reveals to His chosen ones who are "sheep" and who are "goats?" You say that if I don't know this, then God has not revealed the truth of His word to me, but where in His word does He tell us that? I am reminded of an account of someone who asked the 19th century Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon why he didn't preach only to God's chosen ones, the sheep, in other words. Spurgeon replied something like this (I don't know his exact words): "Madam, if you go and lift everybody's coat tails, and I see those that are chosen are marked on their shirts, I will do as you suggest. If not, I will continue to preach the gospel to all." Spurgeon didn't claim to know who were sheep and who were goats. Yet he certainly knew God's word.

 

[dkontner]

Some of the lost are still lost, we preach until the end, God gives the increase.

1 Corinthians 4​

4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

 

[Dino246]

Anyone who does not know the one true God holds beliefs that are contrary to the truth.

The truth is that those chosen by God are the ones who proclaim the truth, yet they are the very ones he forbids from doing so.
MATTHEW 16:20
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

And those who are not of God are not the ones he commands to keep silent.
Rather, he allows them to continue in their evil works.
GENESIS 4:13-15
13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Even the devil was not commanded by God to be silent.
Instead, he was also permitted to continue doing what is evil.
LUKE 22:31-32
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Therefore, based on what the Lord has revealed in this truth, I expect that whenever I share the truth in the Word of God, you will always be there, watching and ready to oppose the truth.

Yes, if you desire me to be silent in my sharing, that is your choice.
But I do not wish for you to be silent, because out of my fear of the Lord, I do not want Him to punish me seven times.
GENESIS 4:15
15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

You continually display what you think is understanding of Scripture, but in fact you display your ignorance.

 

[Dino246]

"This one is My chosen one, that one isn't."
You really will not find anything like that written there.

God knows who are the sheep and who are the goats, and He reveals this to His chosen ones.
Therefore, God's chosen ones know who the sheep are and who the goats are.
And because of that, the ones His chosen people go to in order to share the truth of God's Word are the goats, not those who are like them, the sheep.

If you do not know this, it means that God has not revealed the truth of His Word to you.

Scripture doesn't tell us that anywhere. Instead of letting Scripture teach you, you assert as Scripture things that are not Scripture.

It is abundantly clear to me that God does not "reveal" anything to you. Instead, you listen to unclean spirits that tell you what you want to hear.

 

[rewriter]

Scripture doesn't tell us that anywhere. Instead of letting Scripture teach you, you assert as Scripture things that are not Scripture.

It is abundantly clear to me that God does not "reveal" anything to you. Instead, you listen to unclean spirits that tell you what you want to hear.

Now I would be cautious as to attributing tings to unclean spirits, the human ego is quite capable of many things all on its own.

 

[Dino246]

Now I would be cautious as to attributing tings to unclean spirits, the human ego is quite capable of many things all on its own.

Generally, I agree. This person claims that he receives "revelations" from an external source, and those "revelations" include heresy and personal attacks on members of this forum. While that can indeed be human ego, pride, and arrogance, the influence of one or more unclean spirits is also well within the plausible options.

 

[rewriter]

Generally, I agree. This person claims that he receives "revelations" from an external source, and those "revelations" include heresy and personal attacks on members of this forum. While that can indeed be human ego, pride, and arrogance, the influence of one or more unclean spirits is also well within the plausible options.

In my personal experience, the one time I learned of unclean spirits influencing a person's "revelation" they got far stranger than what I am seeing here. Now it is possible that a more careful unclean spirit is involved, I admit, but I see no need to invoke one over simple human ego.