How do preachers or teachers explain this?
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I don't understand what your linguistic challenge was, but it is obvious you do not want to discuss my post, which was this:
Words that are deemed to be sufficiently synonymous typically have different nuances or shades of meaning,
which is how I understand the three words:
Father, Son and Holy Spirit are names indicating Personhood, which refers to relationship and how they function in that connection.
Here again is my explanation with Scriptural support:
A second common confusing issue is the doctrine of the Trinity. The OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5). However, the NT teaches that God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit (1 x 1 x 1=1).
The Father/Parenthood of God is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Heb. 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10). The Holy Spirit is mentioned in three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1Cor. 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).
Apparently, Christians failed to explain to Mohammed (c. 610) how God is able to relate to Himself and to creation as a Triunity, and so the prophet’s teaching stressed that there is one God and implied that the Christian gospel is false. It might have been helpful for him and others who stumble at NT doctrines to discern which aspect of the triune God is the subject of various biblical statements. These divine aspects or “persons” may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Gal. 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Eph. 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).
We can denote these distinctions by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Eph. 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).
How does your understanding differ from mine, and what is your Scriptural support?
Thanks.
The God who speaks in the Old Testament is only God the Father.
The God who speaks in the New Testament is the Lord Jesus, but not Jesus, the Son of God.
I know your intention is to glorify God by saying that.
However what man says is not the truth.
The truth is what God says.
Based on what God said in 1 John 4:2–3 and Revelation 4:2, you still do not pass.
MATTHEW 15:8
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
The truth contained in what God said.
ROMANS 2:23
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
God said this so that it would be planted in people's hearts and they would accept that they are not good (when it comes to spiritual matters), so that they would not be proud but would humble themselves.
When God sees that the truth of Romans 2:23 is in a person's heart, that person will surely humble himself and seek God's mercy.
As a result, God will exalt him and make him worthy.
MATTHEW 23:12
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
This is what God saw in the hearts of Noah's family.
That is why Noah's family alone was found worthy by God to be saved from the whole world.
This is also what God saw in the heart of Lot and his two daughters.
That is why, in Sodom and Gomorrah, they alone were found worthy to be saved by God.
The two thieves were crucified alongside the Lord. At first, both of them mocked Him.
But later, the one on the right became worthy, so the Lord saved him.
The reason was that the Lord saw in the heart of the thief on the right that he accepted the truth of Romans 2:23 as applying to himself.
LUKE 23:40-41
40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
The thief on the left, however, was not found worthy, so the Lord did not save him.
He considered himself not to be evil and believed that the Lord should simply take him down from the cross.
LUKE 23:39
39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
All of those examples are written in the Holy Scriptures that you read.
Yet even though you have read them, you still do not understand them.
Because your understanding of God's word comes not from God but only from man.
Your failure to recognize the one true God is evidence that you are not receiving understanding that comes from God.
May the day come when God sees humility in your heart.
So that you may come to know the one true God
I agree that the truth is what God says. That is why I seek to base what I believe fully on His word, and why I nearly always quote Scripture when I post.
You say that I do not pass, based on 1 John 4:2-3 and Revelation 4:2. 1 John 4:2-3 says:
(1Jn 4:2-3 NKJV) By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
I assure you that I do confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Can you quote any of my posts where I have said He didn't? I would never write or say such a thing.
Revelation 4:2 says:
(Rev 4:2 NKJV) Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne.
I believe what that verse says, that John was in the Spirit and saw a throne set in heaven with One sitting on that throne.
As for Matthew 15:8, I certainly don't claim perfection, but yet I do draw near to God not merely with my lips, but in my heart. Are you making the claim again that you can see into my heart?
Romans was written to people who had already humbled themselves, Christians in other words:
(Rom 1:5-8 NKJV) Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name,
among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ; To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
I think you meant Romans 3:23, not 2:23. Anyway, Romans 3:23 is part of the epistle where Paul is reminding the how they had become Christians.
Yes, God will make him worthy, with the worthiness of Jesus Christ the Saviour.
A small point, but where are we told that it was the thief on the left who did not believe? Isn't that adding to Scripture?
You continue to make completely unsubstantiated claims about what I believe, telling me that I fail to recognise the true God. You do not know my heart, just as I don't know yours. By all means tell me that you believe I have misunderstood a particular passage of Scripture, but don't claim to know what is in my heart, because you don't.
That is significantly and seriously wrong.
You have a distorted understanding of God. I suggest you do your homework and stop making pronouncements until you have done so.
The Lord Jesus IS Jesus, the Son of God.
Wrong. Firstly, that's Romans 3:23, not 2:23.
Secondly, God said this to make it clear that every single one of us is a sinner who deserves death for our sins. It's plain, simple, and literal.
Um, no. Scripture does not say that anywhere. God does not "exalt" and "make worthy" people who merely humble themselves because they recognize the truth of Romans 3:23.
We must also recognize that Jesus (God in the flesh) is the only acceptable sacrifice for our sins.
This is a general principle in the kingdom of God, not a means of salvation.
Scripture doesn't say that. You haven't done your homework regarding Noah.
Scripture doesn't say that either.
Again, Scripture doesn't say that. It does say that one thief recognized his own guilt and the legitimacy of his punishment, but it wasn't until he recognized Jesus' lordship and eternal kingdom that Jesus told him they would be together in paradise.
I'm sure he understands them better than you, because you keep making errors. Together with your heretical views about who Jesus is, that tells me your understanding comes not from God, but from some unclean spirit that gives you "revelation". This unclean spirit consistently adds to Scripture, which should tell you it is false, but you have been deceived.
We do well NOT to receive the errors that come from you. Instead, we trust the Holy Spirit to give us understanding of God's word (John 16:13, 2 Timothy 2:7).
I assure you that I do confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Can you quote any of my posts where I have said He didn't? I would never write or say such a thing.
Not everyone who says that "Jesus has come in the flesh" automatically passes the test in 1 John 4:2–3. There are at least four different understandings of who the Lord Jesus is, yet all of them also say that Jesus has come in the flesh.
1. Some believe that Jesus is only a man and not God.
2. Others believe that Jesus is the Mighty God, while the Father is the Almighty God.
3. Some teach that the Father's name is Jesus Christ, and that the Holy Spirit's name is also Jesus Christ.
Therefore, they say that the name of God is Jesus Christ. Oneness doctrine
4. Then there is the doctrine of the Trinity, which you believe.
It teaches that there is only one God in three Persons. God the Father is distinct from the Son, and the Son is distinct from God the Holy Spirit.
Because they do not agree with one another and each has its own doctrine and method of salvation, this is strong evidence that their claim that "Jesus has come in the flesh" is not from God.
Therefore, the statement "Jesus has come in the flesh," as you understand and express it, comes from human interpretation rather than from God.
This is no different from what the Lord declared. Not everyone who call Him, "Lord, Lord," will be accepted by Him.
He recognizes only those who call Him "Lord" from God.
MATTHEW 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
If God sees humility in your heart, He will help you understand the difference between two people who both speak the word of God. One speaks only from human understanding, while the other speaks from God.
I believe what that verse says, that John was in the Spirit and saw a throne set in heaven with One sitting on that throne.
Those who speak the word of God concerning Revelation 4:2, if their message is from God, will be able to identify the one and only God who is seated on the throne and say who He is.
But those who speak about Revelation 4:2 from merely human understanding cannot even name the one and only God who is seated on the one throne.
Those who truly believe Revelation 4:2 are those whose faith comes from God.
It seems that you are convinced that your unusual understanding of Who the Lord Jesus Christ is must be correct, and the rest of us are mistaken, even though we give scriptural backing for our belief. You are still telling me that my understanding of Who Jesus is comes from human understanding. It doesn't. It comes from God's word.
You say there are four understandings regarding 1 John 4:2-3, but you don't say which you consider "correct" and instead summarize by stating that because people disagree, none of them have understanding from God.
Even those of us who hold to the most biblically sound option you dismiss as having "only human understanding". You have framed things such that you and only you pass your made-up test.
But such theology, "i is right so you'alls must be wrong" is par for the course for far too many in this forum.
While I agree in general, the nature of Jesus Christ is a bit more central than many other topics.
Unless your understanding of who the Lord Jesus is came by divine revelation from God, just as the apostles recognized Him (Matthew 16:15–17), then your understanding of His words cannot be said to come from God either.
The Bible is God's word. As 2 Timothy 3:16 says, it is inspired, or breathed out, by Him. You say that unless we have a divine revelation from God of Who the Lord Jesus Christ is, our understanding cannot be said to come from God. So do you believe that the Bible is a book written by men and not the word of God?
That's a good question. However I’m no longer sure whether I should continue answering you.
From what I can see, you don’t seem to be seeking the truth.
You appear to be completely convinced that your beliefs are already the truth.
If that’s the case, what value would there be in my responding to you?
There wouldn’t be any.