The Parable of the Ten Virgins does not refer to the church

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Why is this parable about a bridegroom?

Jesus is a shepherd, He could have said that the foolish virgins are not His sheep. But that is not the point.
Jesus is a king. He could have said the foolish virgins are not part of his kingdom. But that is not the point.
Jesus is a judge. He could have said the foolish virgins have been found guilty. But that is not the point.

A Bridegroom invites people he knows to his wedding. The key point is not that you are saved, or that you are in the kingdom or that you are righteous. The key point is that you are a friend and know the bridegroom. People who teach the word consider themselves a guide to the blind, a light in a dark place. That is the function of the torches in the midnight procession. But the source of that light is your personal relationship with Jesus. Many people teach the word of God without that personal relationship. They study books, word studies, concordances and commentaries. They will quote doctor so and so, but they won't tell you about a personal experience you had earlier this week. Everyone knows that the only people who get invited to a wedding are people who are friends of the bride and groom. They were foolish because they didn't have that personal relationship even though they taught the bible, considered themselves a light in the darkness, and thought they were serving the Lord.
 
The ten virgins have lamps (torches) to light the way in the dark to the wedding feast. Five of them are ready and enter the feast on time. Five are not ready, they have to go and buy oil and when they return the door is shut. Based on the pre-tribulation rapture theory these five who are shut out are now in the tribulation. They are still virgins with lamps (torches) and now they also have oil. Suppose these ten bridesmaids represent preachers and teachers of the word of God. Five light the way to the wedding for the pre tribulation raptured saints. The other five were not ready, they are left behind, but now they light the way for the tribulation saints.

Jesus said "I will not leave you orphans". Surely that includes those left behind in the tribulation and surely the tribulation period can be considered a "dark night" where we need someone with torches lighting the way.
 
The Feast of Trumpets and the Parable of the ten Virgins

There are 7 feasts of the Lord. These are dress rehearsals for things that are to come which is why in Colossians 2 Paul says the feasts are "a shadow of things to come". Interestingly, the Feast of Trumpets is on the first day of the year, Rosh Hashanah for the world. It is the world's birthday according to the Jews. In contrast to that we are told in Exodus that Nisan is the first month of the year for them because that is when the Jews were delivered from Slavery during the Passover. How are believers delivered from slavery? Jesus paid the price for us to be free from our slave master, that price is called our "redemption price". Jesus is the Messiah, that means He is the anointed one to be the king. But He didn't come that way, first He came as a passover lamb to redeem us from sin. That is the first feast of the Lord. The second feast is the feast of unleavened bread. This is seven days long and begins on Passover. It indicates that during the church age we need to sweep our house and remove all leaven. Do not equate leaven with idolatry or sin. There is no reason for an idol to be in anyone's house, and sin is dealt with by Jesus on the cross of Christ, not by our sweeping our house of leaven. No, leaven indicates the traditional teachings of religion. When you receive Christ you need to get rid of all the traditional teachings of your religious upbringing, and that includes the Jewish religion. Unleavened bread means we start with the pure word of God and get rid of everything we were taught before we got saved. The seven days represents the church age. The third feast is the "first firstfruit". A sheaf of Barley is presented to God on the third day of the feast of unleavened bread. This indicates the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The church age begins with the crucifixion of Jesus. We abide in the death and burial of Jesus, but then is followed by the resurrection of Jesus and walking in newness of life. The fourth feast of the Lord is His ascension where He goes to heaven to get the marriage contract for His bride. This way, when He does return, He is not returning as the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, no, this time He returns as Jesus Christ, the anointed King, to rule and reign. The fifth feast of the Lord is the Feast of Trumpets. This feast announces the coming of the king, and this king is coming with the marriage contract in hand.

Actually the "feast of trumpets" is a mis translation, the Hebrew is Yom Teruah which is day of shouting. The word Teruah means the sound of a loud cry, of an alarm, and of a great shout. Technically not trumpets, but shouts, alarms and loud cries.

The first four feasts were fulfilled beginning with the Passover and concluding with the Ascension. We are waiting for His return. This is a two day feast and is known as "the longest day" or "no one knows the day or hour". On this feast we are looking to the heavens, there are two witnesses who will spot the new moon and come and tell the Sanhedrin who will rule that yes, indeed, this day has begun and so the shouts, cries, and alarm begin as well. Now even though Leviticus calls it "Yom Teruah" the Bible also describes 100 trumpet blasts to be made on this two day event. As a result Yom Teruah also became known as "the day of blowing trumpets" or "the day of the awakening blast".

So consider the timeline. At night the watchmen are looking to the heavens for the first sliver of a new moon. Two witnesses come forward to the Sanhedrin and describe what they see. The Sanhedrin know approximately where the new moon would be seen at any given time and what it would look like so they are able to confirm if the two witnesses did indeed see the new moon. If they agree they give the go ahead for the cries, alarms and great shouts to begin. This would be in the night, maybe even the middle of the night. So the practice is exactly what Jesus described in the parable of the ten virgins where they hear the midnight cry and wake up. The midnight cry "the Bridegroom cometh" is an accurate and precise description of the Feast of Trumpets.

This period starts the ten days of repentance in which you seek forgiveness. Because the tenth day, Yom Kippur, is the day of judgment. In order to confess sins we need the light to shine and expose them. So then, that is also a reference to the ten virgins with ten torches burning in the night shining in the darkness. During this time of repentance women are supposed to dress in white and light candles. During the evening of each night you are to recite special penitential prayers known as the Selichot. There will be an evening service. You are also to make an accounting of the soul and you are to dedicate the night hours to the study of the Torah. Again, the ten virgins are not ten days, they are ten nights lead to the tenth day. Between these ten nights you have nine days that precede the tenth of Tishrei, which is Yom Kippur.

During the days of repentance three books are opened in heaven.

The Three Books
  • Book of the Righteous (Tsaddikim): This book contains the names of the completely righteous, who are immediately inscribed and sealed for a good year.
  • Book of the Wicked (Resha'im): This book contains the names of the thoroughly wicked, who are inscribed for an unfavorable fate.
  • Book of the In-Between (Beinonim): This book holds the majority of people, who are neither completely good nor completely bad.
The ten virgins are not the wicked. Five are the righteous and they immediately enter into the joy of the Lord. Five are the "in-between" who were not completely ready to enter the joy of the Lord. The parable is not talking about the "completely wicked" their fate is sealed already. This will be determined during the 70th week, the day of the Lord. According to the Lord you are to forgive 70x7 times. A week is a period of seven times, and so the 70th week is the full period in which God is bound to forgive someone. Being left behind after the rapture is an indication that you are now in the seventieth week, this is your last chance to repent and be forgiven.
 
This is a second document that shows how the Parable of the ten virgins also applies to the salvation of the Jews at the end of the tribulation. The word of God is a two edged sword, on one side it can be directly tied to the rapture of the Church prior to the day of the Lord and on the other hand it can be directly tied to the salvation of the Jews as a nation at the end of the Day of the Lord.

The word of God is a two edged sword – The parable of the ten virgins points to both the wedding of Jacob to Leah and also to the wedding of Jacob to Rachel.

Why does the parable sit in Matthew alone?
Matthew is the most Jewish of the Gospels — structured on the Pentateuch, dense with unglossed Jewish custom, written for an audience that would recognize a first-century wedding without explanation. The parable's placement and its content both point at Israel as the primary referent. Israel had two wives: Leah and Rachel. The first one he married signified the Gentiles, the second signified the Jews.

The midnight-cry / Feast of Trumpets layer
"No one knows the day or hour" (Matt. 24:36) sits in the same unbroken discourse as the virgins parable two verses later, and both echo the actual Yom Teruah procedure — watchmen scanning for the new moon, witnesses reporting to the Sanhedrin, an unpredictable middle-of-the-night announcement triggering the awakening cry. That gives the parable's central mechanic (unknown hour, sudden cry, urgent response) a concrete Jewish festal anchor rather than a generic wedding-custom explanation. Likewise with the reformation of Israel as a nation there was a midnight cry to the UN partition vote passed at 5:35 p.m. in NY, past midnight in Jerusalem on the 17th of Kislev.

The national layer: 1947 and the oil deadline
From there, the bikkurim calendar supplies the second half: firstfruits offerings, including olive oil, could be brought until Hanukkah (25 Kislev) per Mishnah Bikkurim 1:6, so Hanukkah's onset is the real "door closing" on the oil-offering season. The gap from the 1947 vote to that Hanukkah is eight days. In the parable they are told to go buy oil for themselves and they have eight days to do so, indicating a new beginning with the resurrected Christ that they needed to experience themselves.

Hanukkah itself as a second layer of virgin-parable imagery
Hanukkah is independently well-attested (2 Maccabees 10:6-8) as a displaced Sukkot — the same eight-day structure, the same joy, held two months late because the war made the real Sukkot impossible. That gives you lamps, oil supply, and a dedication/restoration theme all converging on the same season the parable's imagery already trades in. So Sukkot would be the first seven day wedding feast event with Leah and Hanukkah would be the second seven day wedding feast event with Rachel.

The Jacob/Rachel layer — Israel as the still-being-labored-for bride
Some argue that Rachel was the younger sister and should therefore depict the church. This is a very clear misunderstanding. The Gentile church is the older sister, our lineage dates back to Adam and Eve, while the Jews are the younger sister, their lineage dates back to Abraham. In the Old testament God is pursuing the Jews, the younger sister, just as Israel was pursuing Rachel. But after the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension the Spirit was poured out on Pentecost and the gospel went to the nations. That was God doing the switcheroo that even befuddled James and the other apostles. The church is depicted by Leah and the Jews depicted by Rachel. The Jews miss the first wedding celebration because they are caught up in a war, and that is why they have Hanukkah as a second Sukkot celebration. That is a fair description of what takes place during the tribulation with the pre tribulation rapture being Leah’s wedding feast and the Jews salvation as a nation at the end of the seven years being Rachel’s wedding feast.

So we have two Midnight cries.

For the Jews the midnight cry was in 1947 with the UN partition vote and with the church the midnight cry was in 2017 with the Revelation 12 sign. What is interesting is that prior to Jacob marrying Leah he worked for Laban for seven years. Seven years prior to 2026 is 2019. That was the year that the Pandemic began. The year begins on Rosh Hashanah, and we know that the first people to contract Covid19 contracted it after Rosh Hashanah. So then we have a seven year period based on a bug that looks like a frankenstein monster, as though it is a bunch of different bugs stitched together. According to Joel what happens as a result is something that never happened before in human history. He describes it as God declaring a sabbath rest. Businesses and travel around the globe were shut down. Joel says this sign is “nigh” to, or “adjacent” to the day of the Lord, which is a seven year period known as the 70th week. So just like Monday is adjacent to Tuesday I theorize that the 69th week of years is adjacent to the 70th week. The pandemic is a seven year warning to the day of the Lord and the marriage of the Lord to the church. This matches the seven year period that precedes Jacob marrying Leah.

Now this parable of the ten virgins is specifically about a midnight parade to the wedding feast. The virgins have torches that burn oil for light to light the way in the dark. Both Christian pastors and Jewish rabbis teach the word of God to light the way for both Christians and Jews to meet the Messiah. Just as we have apostate preachers in the church, there are also apostate preachers among the rabbis. Half have the oil from the word of God leading them to worship God in truth, and half don't. However, the first to be raptured will be the Gentile church, and the second wedding comes later. Again, both of these events can be seen in this one parable. But this gives us a new slant on Feast of Trumpets in 2026, this would equate to the UN partition vote. If the UN partition vote is the “midnight cry” for the Jews, what would be the “midnight cry” for the church? It must be the announcement of the resumption of oblations and sacrifices on the temple mount. If the Jews did something at 9 a.m. it would be Midnight in California. Imagine the response in the Christian world among all the pastors and preachers if they woke up to hear this had happened? Five would be ready to light their torches and five would be fumbling all over themselves.

This is the same document but with footnotes to support all the points made.

 
The ten virgins have lamps (torches) to light the way in the dark to the wedding feast. Five of them are ready and enter the feast on time. Five are not ready, they have to go and buy oil and when they return the door is shut. Based on the pre-tribulation rapture theory these five who are shut out are now in the tribulation. They are still virgins with lamps (torches) and now they also have oil. Suppose these ten bridesmaids represent preachers and teachers of the word of God. Five light the way to the wedding for the pre tribulation raptured saints. The other five were not ready, they are left behind, but now they light the way for the tribulation saints.

Jesus said "I will not leave you orphans". Surely that includes those left behind in the tribulation and surely the tribulation period can be considered a "dark night" where we need someone with torches lighting the way.
"Bridesmaids" is no where in the parable
 
  • Like
Reactions: DavidLamb
"Bridesmaids" is no where in the parable
The term bridesmaid is understood based on the Galilean wedding practice. That is what is being described here. Matthew is a very Jewish gospel, that is the context of this parable, and in that context we can equate this with the Galilean practice.

On the other hand if you decide you can't use the Galilean practice to explain this parable and therefore this is not talking about bridesmaids then you have to answer some questions.

What is a "midnight cry the Bridegroom cometh"? We don't do that in the US, not our practice. Who has a midnight torchlit parade to a wedding banquet?

Who are the friends of the bridegroom? How come the groom has friends but the bride doesn't?

Are you saying the ten virgins are ten brides? Makes no sense. Also why are they carrying torches? Are you saying the bride is going to be carrying a torch?

Also, if the virgins are the bride then how do you have a wedding feast when 5 of the "brides" are locked out?

How could Jesus Christ, the bridegroom, tell the 5 virgins "I don't know you" if they are supposed to be depicting the bride? For the Bridegroom to not know the bride, that condemns Him as much as it condemns her. It would mean that knowing the bridegroom is the responsibility of the bride while knowing the bride is not the responsibility of the groom.

On the other hand if we look at this in the context of a Galilean wedding all of it fits. These virgins are the bridesmaids, they carry torches to light the way in a midnight parade to the wedding feast. Many people teach the "friends of the bridegroom" are angels. But that is contrary to the Bible, in the Bible the honor of being able to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ is given to the saints. I would suggest, and this is more controversial than calling the ten virgins bridesmaids, that the friends of the bridegroom refer to two believers who were watchmen and were awake. Two plus Ten equals Twelve, that is a complete number representing the believers. It is also a number pointing us to the feast of trumpets where two witnesses must come and tell the Sanhedrin that they saw the sign in the heavens and then everyone can begin to shout that the Feast of Trumpets is here. The Feast of Trumpets announces that the Bridegroom comes and it begins a ten day parade to Yom Kippur, the day of judgement. That is the day that those who are not prepared for the Lord's return are shut out of the wedding feast, and the wedding feast is depicted as Feast of Tabernacles which starts five days later. Feast of Trumpets is the only feast with a midnight cry. Yom Kippur is the only Holy day in which the door is either opened for some to come in or shut on those who are not ready to enter. Feast of Tabernacles is the only feast that depicts the wedding banquet of the Lord.
 
Everyone needs to be prepared, that is the point of the parable of the ten virgins. We are going to hear the midnight cry, I believe that will be Israel announcing they will resume sacrifices and oblations on the temple mount, or else it will be them resuming the sacrifices and oblations. When that announcement is made I think we will have a very short time, perhaps 8 days, to speak the word to the Christians. Many of them will be confused, and caught by surprise. They will need help to understand what is going on. This could happen in the next month. This becomes an opportunity to speak the word of God, just like Palm Sunday with everyone crying out "blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord".

Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
 
The term bridesmaid is understood based on the Galilean wedding practice. That is what is being described here. Matthew is a very Jewish gospel, that is the context of this parable, and in that context we can equate this with the Galilean practice.

On the other hand if you decide you can't use the Galilean practice to explain this parable and therefore this is not talking about bridesmaids then you have to answer some questions.

What is a "midnight cry the Bridegroom cometh"? We don't do that in the US, not our practice. Who has a midnight torchlit parade to a wedding banquet?

Who are the friends of the bridegroom? How come the groom has friends but the bride doesn't?

Are you saying the ten virgins are ten brides? Makes no sense. Also why are they carrying torches? Are you saying the bride is going to be carrying a torch?

Also, if the virgins are the bride then how do you have a wedding feast when 5 of the "brides" are locked out?

How could Jesus Christ, the bridegroom, tell the 5 virgins "I don't know you" if they are supposed to be depicting the bride? For the Bridegroom to not know the bride, that condemns Him as much as it condemns her. It would mean that knowing the bridegroom is the responsibility of the bride while knowing the bride is not the responsibility of the groom.

On the other hand if we look at this in the context of a Galilean wedding all of it fits. These virgins are the bridesmaids, they carry torches to light the way in a midnight parade to the wedding feast. Many people teach the "friends of the bridegroom" are angels. But that is contrary to the Bible, in the Bible the honor of being able to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ is given to the saints. I would suggest, and this is more controversial than calling the ten virgins bridesmaids, that the friends of the bridegroom refer to two believers who were watchmen and were awake. Two plus Ten equals Twelve, that is a complete number representing the believers. It is also a number pointing us to the feast of trumpets where two witnesses must come and tell the Sanhedrin that they saw the sign in the heavens and then everyone can begin to shout that the Feast of Trumpets is here. The Feast of Trumpets announces that the Bridegroom comes and it begins a ten day parade to Yom Kippur, the day of judgement. That is the day that those who are not prepared for the Lord's return are shut out of the wedding feast, and the wedding feast is depicted as Feast of Tabernacles which starts five days later. Feast of Trumpets is the only feast with a midnight cry. Yom Kippur is the only Holy day in which the door is either opened for some to come in or shut on those who are not ready to enter. Feast of Tabernacles is the only feast that depicts the wedding banquet of the Lord.
QUOTE
"Are you saying the ten virgins are ten brides? Makes no sense. Also why are they carrying torches? Are you saying the bride is going to be carrying a torch?
Also, if the virgins are the bride then how do you have a wedding feast when 5 of the "brides" are locked out?
How could Jesus Christ, the bridegroom, tell the 5 virgins "I don't know you" if they are supposed to be depicting the bride? For the Bridegroom to not know the bride, that condemns Him as much as it condemns her. It would mean that knowing the bridegroom is the responsibility of the bride while knowing the bride is not the responsibility of the groom."

so you are changing "virgins", to "bridesmaids" so the parable will make earthly sense to you?

1) there is no bridesmaids in the parable.
2) there is no "friends of the bride", in the parable.
3) there is no "friends of the bride" dynamic taught in any of the epistles.

The ENTIRE PARABLE is "worthy ones" taken with Jesus to heaven, to the marriage, vs UNWORTHY ONES left behind.

The bride taken....the carnal nominal church goers left behind.
"Worthy ones vs unworthy ones."
Half of a group go.
Half stay.
That exact percentage is used by Jesus about 15 sentences prior, in the Matthew 24 Noah analogy.
(50 % OF A GROUP TAKEN. THE OTHER HALF LEFT BEHIND.)
Same deal.

It is impossible for that group to be ANYTHING BUT THE CHURCH.

the world has never been 50 % righteous and never will be.
So the idea/ theory that those left behind of either group are unsaved, can not, even remotely, be true.

Jesus is giving a 50% of some subgroup....TWICE.

I put the components of the parable on the table.
It is strange watching people who dislike those components, either change them, or omit them entirely.

The parable is useless, unless every component remains intact.
 
QUOTE
"Are you saying the ten virgins are ten brides? Makes no sense. Also why are they carrying torches? Are you saying the bride is going to be carrying a torch?
Also, if the virgins are the bride then how do you have a wedding feast when 5 of the "brides" are locked out?
How could Jesus Christ, the bridegroom, tell the 5 virgins "I don't know you" if they are supposed to be depicting the bride? For the Bridegroom to not know the bride, that condemns Him as much as it condemns her. It would mean that knowing the bridegroom is the responsibility of the bride while knowing the bride is not the responsibility of the groom."

so you are changing "virgins", to "bridesmaids" so the parable will make earthly sense to you?

1) there is no bridesmaids in the parable.
2) there is no "friends of the bride", in the parable.
3) there is no "friends of the bride" dynamic taught in any of the epistles.

The ENTIRE PARABLE is "worthy ones" taken with Jesus to heaven, to the marriage, vs UNWORTHY ONES left behind.

The bride taken....the carnal nominal church goers left behind.
"Worthy ones vs unworthy ones."
Half of a group go.
Half stay.
That exact percentage is used by Jesus about 15 sentences prior, in the Matthew 24 Noah analogy.
(50 % OF A GROUP TAKEN. THE OTHER HALF LEFT BEHIND.)
Same deal.

It is impossible for that group to be ANYTHING BUT THE CHURCH.

the world has never been 50 % righteous and never will be.
So the idea/ theory that those left behind of either group are unsaved, can not, even remotely, be true.

Jesus is giving a 50% of some subgroup....TWICE.

I put the components of the parable on the table.
It is strange watching people who dislike those components, either change them, or omit them entirely.

The parable is useless, unless every component remains intact.
I am not changing anything in the parable. I am saying that what is being described is a Galilean wedding practice where the bridesmaids hold torches to light the way. I continue to use the word ten virgins and it is clear that this is an interpretation of what their function is, not a push to change the translation.

I agree with you that the 50% of women grinding at the mill, and 50% of men working in the field should be considered as context to 50% of the virgins being locked out. Working in the fields refer to evangelism and the gospel work. Grinding at the mill refers to making bread out of the word of God to feed to the Lord's people. Holding a torch in the night to light the way in the dark is what preachers and teachers of the word of God do.

To be a bridesmaid is to be a friend and servant of the Bride of Christ, which is the church.

Paul said he was a servant. You can have two statuses, one is a member of the Body of Christ and the other is a servant of the Lord and of the church. I believe Jesus is saying that half the people who think they are serving Him or the Body are doing it without actually knowing Jesus. He doesn't tell the Virgins "I never knew you". It doesn't mean they never had a salvation experience, but it does mean that they simply thought they were serving the Lord without actually going to the Lord daily and following His leading.
 
QUOTE
"Are you saying the ten virgins are ten brides? Makes no sense. Also why are they carrying torches? Are you saying the bride is going to be carrying a torch?
Also, if the virgins are the bride then how do you have a wedding feast when 5 of the "brides" are locked out?
How could Jesus Christ, the bridegroom, tell the 5 virgins "I don't know you" if they are supposed to be depicting the bride? For the Bridegroom to not know the bride, that condemns Him as much as it condemns her. It would mean that knowing the bridegroom is the responsibility of the bride while knowing the bride is not the responsibility of the groom."

so you are changing "virgins", to "bridesmaids" so the parable will make earthly sense to you?

1) there is no bridesmaids in the parable.
2) there is no "friends of the bride", in the parable.
3) there is no "friends of the bride" dynamic taught in any of the epistles.

The ENTIRE PARABLE is "worthy ones" taken with Jesus to heaven, to the marriage, vs UNWORTHY ONES left behind.

The bride taken....the carnal nominal church goers left behind.
"Worthy ones vs unworthy ones."
Half of a group go.
Half stay.
That exact percentage is used by Jesus about 15 sentences prior, in the Matthew 24 Noah analogy.
(50 % OF A GROUP TAKEN. THE OTHER HALF LEFT BEHIND.)
Same deal.

It is impossible for that group to be ANYTHING BUT THE CHURCH.

the world has never been 50 % righteous and never will be.
So the idea/ theory that those left behind of either group are unsaved, can not, even remotely, be true.

Jesus is giving a 50% of some subgroup....TWICE.

I put the components of the parable on the table.
It is strange watching people who dislike those components, either change them, or omit them entirely.

The parable is useless, unless every component remains intact.
Nope. You are ignoring the Jewish milieu, the Jewish contextual setting, Jewish wedding protocols, and the social conventions of that era.


Every Jew hearing or reading this parable in the first century would have understood exactly what Jesus was depicting: who these virgins were, what role they were performing, why they were carrying lamps or torches, and what their relationship was to the bridegroom and the wedding procession.


You cannot simply strip the parable out of its Jewish wedding context and then redefine the virgins as “the Bride” because that better suits your theological conclusion.


And no—the ten virgins are not ten brides.


They are attendants associated with the wedding procession.


The entire imagery points to a recognizable Jewish wedding setting, and the details themselves—virgins waiting for the bridegroom, carrying lamps, going out to meet him, and accompanying him into the feast—fit that setting naturally.


And they are not a symbolic representation of the Church as the Bride.
 
"Bridesmaids" is no where in the parable
Of course they are.

When you bear witness to a typical western wedding, do you likewise fail to distinguish the bridesmaids from the bride?
That would be VERY embarrassing......right?
:ROFL: ;)
 
Mark 11:2 And saith unto them, Go your way into the village over against you: and as soon as ye be entered into it, ye shall find a colt tied, whereon never man sat; loose him, and bring him.

Everything that the watchmen are sharing concerning the signs of the Lord's coming are like this colt on which never man sat. For example, there are a lot of commentaries on the ten virgins, none of them relate it to the Revelation 12 sign until that sign was seen, in other words "until that sign was loosed". That means that Jesus is already riding into Jerusalem on these signs that never man saw and never man taught.
 
Why is this parable about a bridegroom?

Jesus is a shepherd, He could have said that the foolish virgins are not His sheep. But that is not the point.
Jesus is a king. He could have said the foolish virgins are not part of his kingdom. But that is not the point.
Jesus is a judge. He could have said the foolish virgins have been found guilty. But that is not the point.

A Bridegroom invites people he knows to his wedding. The key point is not that you are saved, or that you are in the kingdom or that you are righteous. The key point is that you are a friend and know the bridegroom. People who teach the word consider themselves a guide to the blind, a light in a dark place. That is the function of the torches in the midnight procession. But the source of that light is your personal relationship with Jesus. Many people teach the word of God without that personal relationship. They study books, word studies, concordances and commentaries. They will quote doctor so and so, but they won't tell you about a personal experience you had earlier this week. Everyone knows that the only people who get invited to a wedding are people who are friends of the bride and groom. They were foolish because they didn't have that personal relationship even though they taught the bible, considered themselves a light in the darkness, and thought they were serving the Lord.

I think Isa. 62:5 is the first place God's people are referred to as His bride, and then there is this passage in Ezekiel:

Ezek. 16:32-38. These verses compare the relationship between God and people to marriage, calling the Israelites adulterous for being unfaithful to the Lord. This reminds us of Paul describing the church as the bride of Christ in Eph. 5:23-32, and it teaches us that the second most important thing to learn after how to be saved or “married” is to remain faithful until the day we die by continuing to LGW and apply it to our lives.

Like the passage in Ezekiel cited previously, Hosea employs the marriage analogy and condemned Israel for being unfaithful or adulterous or like a prostitute (e.g., Hos. 1:2, 2:2, 3:1, 9:1).

Paul referred to the church as the bride of Christ in Eph. 5:22-29, and John referred to the bride of the Lamb in Rev. 19:7, 21:2&9, 22:17.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cv5
Of course they are.

When you bear witness to a typical western wedding, do you likewise fail to distinguish the bridesmaids from the bride?
That would be VERY embarrassing......right?
:ROFL: ;)
Are You trying to make a point that there is one person who is the actual bride, but thousands of "bridesmaids"?
....and, that, the "bridesmaids"dynamic is taught in the epistles?
Jesus comming back and taking bridesmaids to heaven?
who are those taken in 1 thes 4?
are they "bridesmaids"?
You're saying only one person is a bride?..... , so there can not be 5 brides, in the parable ?
I hope not.

David is the forerunner of Jesus.
He had many brides/wives.

Again, I do not see any bridesmaids dynamic, or where a sinner advance from a bridesmaid to a bride, or a dynamic that believers are a substandard "bridesmaid".
It simply needs to be jettisoned and start over, with the greek wording for "virgin".
A parable overworked, is most always going to depart from its simple meaning.
 
Are You trying to make a point that there is one person who is the actual bride, but thousands of "bridesmaids"?
....and, that, the "bridesmaids"dynamic is taught in the epistles?
Jesus comming back and taking bridesmaids to heaven?
who are those taken in 1 thes 4?
are they "bridesmaids"?
You're saying only one person is a bride?..... , so there can not be 5 brides, in the parable ?
I hope not.

David is the forerunner of Jesus.
He had many brides/wives.

Again, I do not see any bridesmaids dynamic, or where a sinner advance from a bridesmaid to a bride, or a dynamic that believers are a substandard "bridesmaid".
It simply needs to be jettisoned and start over, with the greek wording for "virgin".
A parable overworked, is most always going to depart from its simple meaning.
Here let me help you......

Rom 12:5
So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Co 10:17
For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

1Co 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1Co 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1Co 12:20
But now are they many members, yet but one body.

Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Eph 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Col 3:15
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
 
Here let me help you......

Rom 12:5
So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Co 10:17
For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

1Co 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1Co 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1Co 12:20
But now are they many members, yet but one body.

Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Eph 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Col 3:15
And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Yes awesome verses.
But nothing there of 2 sets of believers.
"Bride of Christ" vs "bridesmaids" simply is not expressed in any of those verses.
 
The parable absolutely does not work if we change virgins into bridesmaids.

Because that would have to be a subset of the bride, and a completely different entity.
That entity would be unbelievers.

You either in Christ or you're not.

So Jesus, in the parable, would be actually coming for unbelievers, and some unbelievers would be worthy, and some unbelievablers would be not worthy, and not ready.
So these worthy unbelievers, (some group of bridesmaids that are not the bride), are taken to heaven into the bridal chamber and the door was shut.

we have now departed from the parable.

only 2 bibles translate the virgins into "bridesmaids".
The Greek is virgins.