The Parable of the Ten Virgins does not refer to the church
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[Luk 12:36 KJV] 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
[Rev 19:9 KJV] 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Again, my objection is that theologians assume the Olivet Discourse addresses a single event rather than two.
The Olivet Discourse does not address a single event; it unfolds across two prophetic horizons. Jesus speaks first about the Jewish–Roman wars and the destruction of Jerusalem (Matt 24:1–22), and then He shifts to the Day of the Lord, the final revealing of the Son of Man (Matt 24:23–31). Luke makes this distinction explicit by calling the latter moment “the revealing of the Son of God” (Luke 17:30). The vulture‑and‑corpse metaphor belongs to this second horizon. It is not a picture of Roman legions surrounding Jerusalem; it is Jesus’ symbolic way of describing the unmistakable, global visibility of His return. Just as vultures gathering around a corpse is an obvious, public sign, so the coming of the Son of Man will be a universally recognizable event. Nothing about this imagery fits the localized, terrestrial events of AD 70 — but it fits perfectly with the cosmic unveiling Jesus describes in the second half of the discourse.
When Jesus speaks of the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven and gathering His elect (Matt 24:30–31), He is describing the same event Paul calls the Lord’s descent and the catching‑up of believers (1 Thess 4:16–17). During this moment, those living in Jerusalem — and across the world — will witness the visible arrival of Christ, while His followers are summoned to meet Him in the air. This did not occur during the Jewish–Roman wars. No one saw the Son of Man revealed in glory, no angels gathered the elect, and no believers were caught up to meet Christ. The vulture metaphor, therefore, cannot be reduced to a symbol of Roman judgment. It belongs to the eschatological horizon, the Day of the Lord, when Christ’s return will be as unmistakable as vultures circling above a carcass. In this context, the metaphor reinforces the clarity and undeniability of the Second Coming — the very moment when the rapture takes place.
Good verses.
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In the Jewish wedding the GROOM LEAVES THE WEDDING TO FETCH HIS BRIDE.
He leaves the wedding WITH HIS FRIENDS. THE FRIENDS OF THE BRIDEGROOM. To fetch his bride.
They RETURN TO THE WEDDING, WITH THE BRIDE.
That is the rapture of the church.
1 thes 4
Mat 25....the 5 wise virgins.
The groom gathering his bride, IS THE RAPTURE....pretrib.
Hard to believe that goes over your head.
No rapture verse is postrib setting.
Noah gathered pretrib
Lot gathered pretrib
The baby Jesus gathered pretrib to Egypt.
All rapture verses are pretrib setting.
You have not, and can not produce a postrib rapture verse.
You say Matthew 24 has a gathering postrib?
It sure does.
It SPECIFICALLY SAYS WORD FOR WORD, ANGELS GATHER IN HEAVEN.
That CANNOT BE THE RAPTURE.
The rapture is the GROOM GATHERING FROM EARTH.
You never noticed it?
JESUS SENDS IN.... HEAVEN.
The rapture is "Jesus goes and gathers", ....NOT," Jesus stays and sends angels to gather "
Why do postribs, not read that verse, and quote it as written????
And claim it as their only verse?
The pretrib rapture;
Luke 12
35Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
Luke 12
35Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
Paul describes the rapture in 1Thessalonians chapter 4.
The Tribulation began at the Stoning of Stephan and ended in 1948.
Yes. Though many don't recognize it.
Most Christians who talk about the Great Tribulation assume it refers to the future judgments of Revelation, especially the bowl judgments, but others see it as persecution, symbolic suffering, or the events of AD 70. The term is not used consistently across traditions, so clarity is essential.
My view of the Great Tribulation is not based on a prophetic system but on what Jesus actually said. If I have misunderstood Him, then I am wrong. But according to the Olivet Discourse, Jesus Himself gives the starting point of the timeline: the destruction of the temple (Matt 24:2), which occurred in AD 70. From that terminus, Jesus describes a long period of tribulation that unfolds across history, not a compressed 3½‑year window. And He is explicit about what comes immediately after this Great Tribulation: cosmic signs in the heavens and the visible appearing of the Son of Man, when His people will see Him coming on the clouds. That sequence has not yet happened. Therefore, the Great Tribulation cannot be limited to a short, future period; it is the extended age of suffering and upheaval that began with Jerusalem’s fall and will only conclude when Christ returns in glory.
This reading honors Jesus’ own chronology. He ties the beginning of the tribulation to a historical event we can date — the fall of the temple — and ties the end of the tribulation to an event that has not yet occurred — His visible return. The length of the Great Tribulation, therefore, is determined by Jesus’ timeline, not by later prophetic models.
I’m not trying to wear a label like “post‑trib.” My view is simply based on what Jesus said in the Olivet Discourse. He taught that the Great Tribulation isn’t finished until the celestial signs appear — the darkened sun, the falling stars, and the visible appearing of the Son of Man. Since those events haven’t happened yet, the Great Tribulation cannot be limited to a 3½‑year period. It began with the destruction of the temple in AD 70, and according to Jesus’ own sequence, it continues until He returns. If I’ve misunderstood His timeline, then I’m wrong — but I’m just trying to follow the order He gave.
When people reduce a complex passage like the Olivet Discourse to short dismissals, it usually means they’re defending a system rather than listening to Jesus’ timeline. I’m not claiming to be right because of a label or a tradition. My view is simply based on what Jesus said: the Great Tribulation isn’t finished until the celestial signs appear and the Son of Man is seen coming on the clouds. Since those events haven’t happened yet, the tribulation cannot be limited to a short 3½‑year period. If I’ve misunderstood Jesus, then I’m wrong — but I’m at least trying to follow His sequence rather than a slogan.
Friend, I know Matt 24 like the back of my hand. And I am a rapture expert of the first order.
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Daniel 9 puts the trib at 7 years.
IN THE MIDDLE of the 7 years is the AOD.
The trib is future.
No preterism.
The three fall feasts are these:
Feast of Trumpets, the literal Hebrew term is "day of shouting". This day of shouting begins with the Midnight cry which wakes everyone up. It is two witnesses who see a celestial sign, report this to the Sanhedrin, they then give the official proclamation that kicks off the midnight cry. What is the single biggest reason that most Christians who have gone out to meet the bridegroom, will say that we are not at the 70th week? If the fulfillment of the fig tree sprouting leaves didn't wake them up, if the beast system rising didn't wake them up, if the fulfillment of Psalm 83 war and Jeremiah 49 didn't wake them up. What are they waiting for? They understand that the sacrifices and oblations have to begin again on the temple mount. They think they'll see the construction of the temple as a warning, but what they don't realize is that will begin on the Feast of Trumpets when the altar is dedicated. You can see how they did this in Ezra. At 9 AM they will begin the sacrifices again, and three hours earlier the priests would have gone up to prepare and that would include the oblations. This event will wake up the ten virgins, they represent most of the Christians and with the two witnesses who spotted the celestial sign they make 12, a complete number representing all the genuine Christians.
This begins ten days which are supposed to be ten days of fasting and repentance. So yes, the celestial sign in 2017 is when we start counting the ten virgins waking up, one by one until we come to the Feast of Trumpets in 2026. At that point we have seen ten Virgo's that have been lit with the sun. Now we get the "midnight cry". When we see the Jews at 6am to 9am restarting the oblations and sacrifices on the temple mount the cry goes out to all the Christians, waking them up, and sure enough, that is midnight in the US.
These ten are a parade to the day of judgment, Yom Kippur. The very last opportunity to repent is at sundown as the day of Judgment begins and that is known as "the gate closing". This is what we see in the parable, the gate has closed to the wedding feast and the five foolish were locked out. We also see the judgement. They did not go to the Lord to buy the oil, had they done that He would have known them. Instead they tried to borrow the oil from others and when that didn't work they went out and bought it from others, but did not go to the Lord. The judgement is "He doesn't know them". Do they have oil? Now they do. Do they have a torch? Yes. Do they hope to go to the wedding feast of the Lord? Yes. But they were foolish, they thought all they had to do was parrot good teaching, simply borrow someone else's word, they didn't realize you need to go to the Lord and get a word from Him yourself.
Five days later is the Feast of Tabernacles which is the wedding feast.
Now this is how the 70th week must begin. What is the 70th week. It is 70x7 which is the period of forgiveness. This is when your period of grace expires and it is time for judgment. Peter says that "judgment must begin at the house of God". So the 70th week must begin with the judgment of the believers. The rapture is this judgment. Those that are taken are judged favorably, those left behind are also judged, but not favorably. But this is only the 484th opportunity to repent. According to the Lord you still have a few more years. During the tribulation you can repent, take a stand for the Lord and be beheaded.
You see Paul told us that he was called a fool, and that if we are going to be imitators of him we also will be "fools for Christ". The foolish virgins are not fools for Christ, instead they thought they were wise. They might have had priorities, they might have had demanding jobs, but the one thing that was not a priority to them was getting the oil, a relationship with Jesus where they could daily go to Him to get a supply of oil. It is very likely that the foolish virgins thought the wise virgins were fools. I say this because they thought they could simply borrow their oil when the time came. Also I say it because the Lord said "with what judgment you judge you shall be judged". Calling certain Christians fools is a judgment, and now we see them being judged with that judgment by the Lord. However, during the tribulation you get one last chance to be a fool for Christ. What do you think they will call people who refuse to take the mark and so cannot buy or sell and are being hunted down and beheaded?
Feast of Trumpets, the literal Hebrew term is "day of shouting". This day of shouting begins with the Midnight cry which wakes everyone up. It is two witnesses who see a celestial sign, report this to the Sanhedrin, they then give the official proclamation that kicks off the midnight cry. What is the single biggest reason that most Christians who have gone out to meet the bridegroom, will say that we are not at the 70th week? If the fulfillment of the fig tree sprouting leaves didn't wake them up, if the beast system rising didn't wake them up, if the fulfillment of Psalm 83 war and Jeremiah 49 didn't wake them up. What are they waiting for? They understand that the sacrifices and oblations have to begin again on the temple mount. They think they'll see the construction of the temple as a warning, but what they don't realize is that will begin on the Feast of Trumpets when the altar is dedicated. You can see how they did this in Ezra. At 9 AM they will begin the sacrifices again, and three hours earlier the priests would have gone up to prepare and that would include the oblations. This event will wake up the ten virgins, they represent most of the Christians and with the two witnesses who spotted the celestial sign they make 12, a complete number representing all the genuine Christians.
This begins ten days which are supposed to be ten days of fasting and repentance. So yes, the celestial sign in 2017 is when we start counting the ten virgins waking up, one by one until we come to the Feast of Trumpets in 2026. At that point we have seen ten Virgo's that have been lit with the sun. Now we get the "midnight cry". When we see the Jews at 6am to 9am restarting the oblations and sacrifices on the temple mount the cry goes out to all the Christians, waking them up, and sure enough, that is midnight in the US.
These ten are a parade to the day of judgment, Yom Kippur. The very last opportunity to repent is at sundown as the day of Judgment begins and that is known as "the gate closing". This is what we see in the parable, the gate has closed to the wedding feast and the five foolish were locked out. We also see the judgement. They did not go to the Lord to buy the oil, had they done that He would have known them. Instead they tried to borrow the oil from others and when that didn't work they went out and bought it from others, but did not go to the Lord. The judgement is "He doesn't know them". Do they have oil? Now they do. Do they have a torch? Yes. Do they hope to go to the wedding feast of the Lord? Yes. But they were foolish, they thought all they had to do was parrot good teaching, simply borrow someone else's word, they didn't realize you need to go to the Lord and get a word from Him yourself.
Five days later is the Feast of Tabernacles which is the wedding feast.
Now this is how the 70th week must begin. What is the 70th week. It is 70x7 which is the period of forgiveness. This is when your period of grace expires and it is time for judgment. Peter says that "judgment must begin at the house of God". So the 70th week must begin with the judgment of the believers. The rapture is this judgment. Those that are taken are judged favorably, those left behind are also judged, but not favorably. But this is only the 484th opportunity to repent. According to the Lord you still have a few more years. During the tribulation you can repent, take a stand for the Lord and be beheaded.
You see Paul told us that he was called a fool, and that if we are going to be imitators of him we also will be "fools for Christ". The foolish virgins are not fools for Christ, instead they thought they were wise. They might have had priorities, they might have had demanding jobs, but the one thing that was not a priority to them was getting the oil, a relationship with Jesus where they could daily go to Him to get a supply of oil. It is very likely that the foolish virgins thought the wise virgins were fools. I say this because they thought they could simply borrow their oil when the time came. Also I say it because the Lord said "with what judgment you judge you shall be judged". Calling certain Christians fools is a judgment, and now we see them being judged with that judgment by the Lord. However, during the tribulation you get one last chance to be a fool for Christ. What do you think they will call people who refuse to take the mark and so cannot buy or sell and are being hunted down and beheaded?
The final week of the 70 weeks is FOR THE JEWS. Daniel 9:24. Specifically, it pertains to Daniel's people and the Holy City of Jerusalem. It was fulfilled when Jesus went to the cross (Week 69 1/2) and ended at the Stoning of Stephen. The GT began then when Herod crucified James and imprisoned Peter. And Paul found the Jews to be unworthy of the Gospel. Acts 13:46 after the temple was destroyed by the Roman armies, the Jews were/are under tribulation until now.