Isaiah 53.
Which they often skip reading in synagogue.
Jesus said the reason they don't believe is because their father the satan. John 8:39-59
Harvesting of the Earth
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Which they often skip reading in synagogue.
Jesus said the reason they don't believe is because their father the satan. John 8:39-59
Amen. Be like Paul, Peter, Stephen.... God is embracing them.
Don't be like the other sides....
The children of Israel were under the covenant given at Mt. Sinai.
It was a conditional covenant (Deuteronomy 28) and all but Jesus have broken the conditions, so for the rest of us it is obsolete.
It is not obsolete however with Jesus, because He has kept the law.
It so happens that Jesus is king of all other lands as well as the land of Canaan, and of heaven as well.
For this reason Jesus has been able to expand the borders a little, and being also the eternal high priest, He has been authorized to change the terms and conditions too.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at THIS PRESENT TIME also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Which present time would Paul be talking about?
That would of course be the present time in which he was writing.
Only the tribes of Benjamin and Judah still remained as identifiable bloodlines at that time, so the remnant of Paul's kinsmen must have come from those 2 tribes.
Remember that Jerusalem and Judea were still in tact at that time, soon to be completely destroyed.
Judah and Benjamin were the two tribes who lived around Jerusalem at that time with the other 10 tribes traveling to Jerusalem from other countries. Even under the Romans the jews had freedom of movement
You must not be familiar with the people who followed after the Apostles, the Church Fathers of which many were personal Disciples of the Apostles. In their writings we know many Jews escaped and especially the Judeans flourished for some time.
When was the book of Revelations written?
John wrote the book of Revelation to exalt Jesus Christ and to encourage Christians to remain faithful to Him. In the book, John proclaims the final victory of Jesus over sin, death, and Satan. This message was especially meaningful to believers in the late first century, who faced harsh persecution under Roman rule. Most scholars believe John wrote Revelation around 90 to 95 AD, during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian.
Most church leaders in the second century AD—such as Irenaeus (c. 130—202), Justin Martyr (c. 100—165), and Clement of Alexandria (c. 150—215)—favored a date in the 90s AD.
Irenaeus wrote about the timing of the book of Revelation and this man also was taught by Polycarp, a disciple of Apostle John.
For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign. ( 81-96 )
John wrote the book of Revelation to exalt Jesus Christ and to encourage Christians to remain faithful to Him. In the book, John proclaims the final victory of Jesus over sin, death, and Satan. This message was especially meaningful to believers in the late first century, who faced harsh persecution under Roman rule. Most scholars believe John wrote Revelation around 90 to 95 AD, during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian.
Most church leaders in the second century AD—such as Irenaeus (c. 130—202), Justin Martyr (c. 100—165), and Clement of Alexandria (c. 150—215)—favored a date in the 90s AD.
Irenaeus wrote about the timing of the book of Revelation and this man also was taught by Polycarp, a disciple of Apostle John.
For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign. ( 81-96 )
I am aware that there were survivors,
but that is not my point.
The fact is that Jerusalem was destroyed with the temple and the sacrifice and the corrupt priesthood.
Nothing like old covenant earthly Israel has ever been restored, nor ever will in the eyes of God.
Our Christian faith does not depend on an earthly temple, animal sacrifices, circumcision and the keeping of Moses' law, because all those things continue with Christ, who alone has been faithful to them.
Similarly earthly modern Israel is not a Christian cause, and our faith ought not to be attached to it.
Whether the earthly nation continues or not should not effect Christians, because we already understand that all of God's everlasting covenants are to continue in the kingdom of heaven.
Hebrews 13:14
For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Your Irenaeus quote is the foundation that the 90s AD argument rests on, and it was misinterpreted by Eusebius (260-340).
Eusebius was not a fan of the book of Revelations and attributed it to "John the Elder", not the apostle.
Irenaeus is not saying that the book of Revelations was seen written in the time of Dometian, he is speaking about the apostle John.
There is also a classical church father argument for the prior AD70 argument, but more interesting is the evidence found in the book itself.
John writes of things that must "shortly come to pass" (Revelations 1) and "shortly" does not mean 2000 years.
The book is addressed to the churches of Asia Minor where John preached.
There were "seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (Revelations 17:10).
The 5 kings who were fallen are: Julius Cesar, Augustus Cesar, Tiberius, Caligula and Claudius.
The king that "is" at the time of writing is Nero.
John is not at liberty to openly disclose Nero's name, because he wants his letter to be delivered, so he gives the Hebrew number of the name.
The number can be found by transliterating "NERON CESAR" into Hebrew letters and adding the numbers of the letters.
The king that was to "continue for a short space" is Galba, who only continued for 7 months and 7 days.
After Galba the Roman empire was wounded in the head, falling into civil war to the extent that it appeared to be dead.
Yet out of the destruction arose the Flavian dynasty (the 8th beast), beginning with Vespasian, the father of Titus.
Not a new error.
John 12:13
Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
One week later:
John 19:6
When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
Jesus disappointed the earthly ethnic state ambitions of many "believers" at that time, and will do so in this time also.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
I have not heard many sermons about the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, despite the fact that it is prophesies about many times throughout the Bible.
The destruction of old covenant Jerusalem is essential to understanding the New Covenant.
Jesus did not only get crucified and rise from the dead, He also avenged the blood of all the prophets, including Himself, against the same generation of pharisees and their followers that crucified Him.
Jerusalem was the murder capitol of the world for the prophets and saints of God.
Revelation 18:24
"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."
Luke 11:50
That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Revelations re-tells the story of the destruction of Jerusalem 3 times, each time in greater detail than the last.
Jerusalem is tried before God in the presence of two witnesses (in accordance with the law), and sentenced to death for adultery.
All the curses of Deuteronomy 28 were also applied.
This punishment was not applied until God had first sealed the faithful 144000.
The surviving unbelievers are not subject to curses in any greater sence than Gentile unbelievers are, because their circumcision has now become uncircumcision (Romans 2:25).
They are therefore the same as Gentile unbelievers, having the free offer of the gospel available for it's time.
All genealogical records from the children of Israel have been lost since 70AD, and there is not a single person other than Jesus alive today who can prove their ancestry back to Jacob.
There was no battle in the Bible at Amagedon.
Revelations 16:16 "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."
Armageddon was a staging ground where the three Gentile armies under Rome were gathered in preparation for their battle against Jerusalem.
The location is Megiddo, Mt. Carmel.
In the Hebrew tongue, "Har Megiddo" means "Mountain of Megiddo", and "Megiddo" means "place of crowds" and gets a lot of mention in the OT.
It is at the base of Mt. Carmel, in the valley of Jezreel, also called "the valley of Mageddon" (Zechariah 12:11, KJV).
The destruction of old covenant Jerusalem is essential to understanding the New Covenant.
Jesus did not only get crucified and rise from the dead, He also avenged the blood of all the prophets, including Himself, against the same generation of pharisees and their followers that crucified Him.
Jerusalem was the murder capitol of the world for the prophets and saints of God.
Revelation 18:24
"And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth."
Luke 11:50
That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Revelations re-tells the story of the destruction of Jerusalem 3 times, each time in greater detail than the last.
Jerusalem is tried before God in the presence of two witnesses (in accordance with the law), and sentenced to death for adultery.
All the curses of Deuteronomy 28 were also applied.
This punishment was not applied until God had first sealed the faithful 144000.
The surviving unbelievers are not subject to curses in any greater sence than Gentile unbelievers are, because their circumcision has now become uncircumcision (Romans 2:25).
They are therefore the same as Gentile unbelievers, having the free offer of the gospel available for it's time.
All genealogical records from the children of Israel have been lost since 70AD, and there is not a single person other than Jesus alive today who can prove their ancestry back to Jacob.
There was no battle in the Bible at Amagedon.
Revelations 16:16 "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."
Armageddon was a staging ground where the three Gentile armies under Rome were gathered in preparation for their battle against Jerusalem.
The location is Megiddo, Mt. Carmel.
In the Hebrew tongue, "Har Megiddo" means "Mountain of Megiddo", and "Megiddo" means "place of crowds" and gets a lot of mention in the OT.
It is at the base of Mt. Carmel, in the valley of Jezreel, also called "the valley of Mageddon" (Zechariah 12:11, KJV).
Those specific people of that day were purposely blinded and deafened to fulfill the Plan of Salvation. And that condition remains until the fulfillment of the Gentiles even though some Jews have been converted to Yeshua. Being under the same condition as 2,000 years ago makes it possible for remnants to be back in the land of Promise.
The moment when "all Israel shall be saved" (Romans 11:26) is the very same moment that the last Gentile comes to saving faith in Jesus.
I don't know if you're moving the goal post unintentionally but I mentioned Remnant and you follow with the entire people. I do agree with the Verse but having a Remnant of ancient Jewish bloodline in the State of Israel and all of Israel being Saved are completely different perspectives.
Agree with both of you.
Yep, God have big plan, and we are in His plan.
And Jesus call us to obey His commandments.
I must have misunderstood the context of what you were saying.
When you mentioned "remnant" I thought of the remnant of Paul's kinsmen in Romans 11.
There is nothing about any nation state in that chapter, only that this remnant was reserved by God to become Christians.
Regarding the modern state of Israel, I do not see the need to equate every political development with prophesy.
Removing the local inhabitants from their homes is just pure crime.
White Christians suffer from un-Biblical racism towards Arabs, and much of the insanity that has happened there is directly fueled by religious extremism in the name of Jesus.
The ancient ancestry claim makes no sense either.
The people who are driven out are not first tested for Jacobs DNA, and the new occupants are not either.
If the original occupant has 2% of Jacob's DNA and the newcomer has 4%, the newcomer is not required to pay a 50% share.
No single unfaithful person of any race EVER inherited the unconditional Abrahanic promises.
The promises were made to one man and his faithful seed.
Abraham's seed share Abraham's faith and are in Christ.
All the promises that were everlasting are fulfilled in the heavenly kingdom, not on this earth.
Revelation was written to Israel, not to Gentiles even though the unbelieving Gentile world will indeed be a focus of God's wrath. John was not an apostle to Gentiles, but to the twelve tribes as James stated in his epistle. Most assume the seven churches were Gentile churches, which isn't necessarily true given that Gentiles converting over to Messianic Judaism became Jews who were zealous for the Law.
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