The Church, and Israel and the Last Days.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
OMC said:
You tell them the same thing you tell anyone dying tonight:Repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is no ethnic exception.
No prophetic loophole.
No covenant bypass.
No “wait for the national turning.”
No “you’re Jewish, so your salvation works differently.”

Scripture is blunt:
Acts 4:12 — “There is no other name under heaven… by which we must be saved.”
John 14:6 — “No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
Romans 10:12 — “There is no difference between Jew and Greek.”

If an ethnic Jew is dying tonight, you preach Christ tonight.
If an ethnic Arab is dying tonight, you preach Christ tonight.
If an ethnic Gentile is dying tonight, you preach Christ tonight.

The future turning of Israel does not replace the present call of the gospel.

Prophecy never excuses unbelief.
Prophecy never delays repentance.
Prophecy never creates a second path for any ethnicity.

Every soul — Jew or Gentile — must come to Christ now, not “in the future national turning.”
Click to expand...
You start of Biblically then descend into Lord of the Rings territory when you say about a future turning of your understanding of Israel, pure fantasy.
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: HeIsHere and Churchgoer
WayneNSO said:
You start of Biblically then descend into Lord of the Rings territory when you say about a future turning of your understanding of Israel, pure fantasy.
Click to expand...
Bring your line of defense then. I will wait in the lines of scripture for you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ThereRoseaLamb
WayneNSO said:
Of course we can, it is easy - you take verses already fulfilled and throw them into the future, then for icing on the cake you take the twelves tribes/ sons of Israel and call them all Judah. Then for the cherry on top, you ignore all verses that say Israel was at war with Judah and vice versa. And Voilà, you have the modern acceptable understanding of Scripture.
Click to expand...

Wayne, you have been sorely missed.

As you can see, same ole arguments and no real sound interpretation and application.
 
  • Haha
  • Like
Reactions: WayneNSO and Churchgoer
OMC said:
“Brother, truth does not bend to your convenience. If God has placed the evidence before you and you refuse to examine it, you are not protecting your faith — you are protecting your pride.
The Bereans were noble because they searched the Scriptures daily.
You cannot claim nobility while refusing the very work God commends.
If you want truth, you must pursue it. If you refuse to pursue it, do not pretend you are defending it.”
Click to expand...


Nice try, it is your contention you support it.

Btw your posts come across as very AI generated. :unsure:
 
HeIsHere said:
Nice try, it is your contention you support it.

Btw your posts come across as very AI generated. :unsure:
Click to expand...
You are contesting it, prove it.
And the speech to text is very AI thanks to my disability it's the best you get.
 
the issue is not the tool — it’s the spirit in which the tool is used.
AI is nothing more than a digital concordance with a mouth.
It can accelerate Scripture study, expose contradictions, surface cross‑references, and force clarity — but it cannot replace discernment, humility, or the Holy Spirit.”
“If a man misuses a Bible, the problem is not the Bible.
If a man misuses AI, the problem is not AI.
The heart governs the tool.” “Scripture never forbids tools.
It forbids pride, false teaching, quarrels, and foolish controversies.
If AI helps us stay on the text, stay honest, stay precise, and stay accountable, then it is simply another instrument of study — like lexicons, manuscripts, interlinears, or commentaries.”
“We are not using AI to replace Scripture.
We are using it to return to Scripture — to strip away narratives, systems, and emotional reactions so the text can speak plainly.”
“AI is not the teacher.
AI is the flashlight.
The Word is the truth.
The Spirit is the interpreter.
We are the ones responsible for discernment.”
 
  • Like
Reactions: ThereRoseaLamb
OMC said:
the issue is not the tool — it’s the spirit in which the tool is used.
AI is nothing more than a digital concordance with a mouth.
It can accelerate Scripture study, expose contradictions, surface cross‑references, and force clarity — but it cannot replace discernment, humility, or the Holy Spirit.”
“If a man misuses a Bible, the problem is not the Bible.
If a man misuses AI, the problem is not AI.
The heart governs the tool.” “Scripture never forbids tools.
It forbids pride, false teaching, quarrels, and foolish controversies.
If AI helps us stay on the text, stay honest, stay precise, and stay accountable, then it is simply another instrument of study — like lexicons, manuscripts, interlinears, or commentaries.”
“We are not using AI to replace Scripture.
We are using it to return to Scripture — to strip away narratives, systems, and emotional reactions so the text can speak plainly.”
“AI is not the teacher.
AI is the flashlight.
The Word is the truth.
The Spirit is the interpreter.
We are the ones responsible for discernment.”
Click to expand...
So you are admitting of using AI in this chat forum?

Thank you for your honesty, if yes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dkontner and HeIsHere
Churchgoer said:
So you are admitting of using AI in this chat forum?

Thank you for your honesty, if yes.
Click to expand...
Sister, I mentioned that on my first day here. It’s not a secret, or at least I didn’t think so. But everyone else is using it too, so why am I being singled out?
 
OMC said:
Sister, I mentioned that on my first day here. It’s not a secret, or at least I didn’t think so. But everyone else is using it too, so why am I being singled out?
Click to expand...
First of all, thank you for being honest.

2nd of all, I must have missed your 1st day mentioning.

3rd of all, who else is doing that?

I don't do that, I very much enjoy human to human conversations haha 😆.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Komentaja and dkontner
Churchgoer said:
First of all, thank you for being honest.

2nd of all, I must have missed your 1st day mentioning.

3rd of all, who else is doing that?

I don't do that, I very much enjoy human to human conversations haha 😆.
Click to expand...
You’re having a human conversation; it’s not speaking for me, just repeating what I say and nothing more.
 
OMC said:
"With much agony" 😊
Click to expand...

Stick with trying to say Replacement Theory is wrong and see the agony they put you through. One actually tried to curse one of my family members with ill health. At least they were finally banned. They've mocked my name which is an old hymn of the church, so they finally knocked that off. And they're still here. So just fair warning, they bite. lol
 
  • Pray
Reactions: GRACE_ambassador
lrs68 said:
Isaiah 68:6
"Nation will be born in a day."

Isaiah 11:11–12
“Then it will happen on that day that the Lord will again recover with His hand the second time the remnant of His people… And He will lift up a flag for the nations and assemble the banished ones of Israel, and will gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
Click to expand...

💯 this! It's actually in the Bible.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2ndTimeIsTheCharm and lrs68
ThereRoseaLamb said:
Stick with trying to say Replacement Theory is wrong and see the agony they put you through. One actually tried to curse one of my family members with ill health. At least they were finally banned. They've mocked my name which is an old hymn of the church, so they finally knocked that off. And they're still here. So just fair warning, they bite. lol
Click to expand...
I make it clear that I stand on scripture alone. It is separate from the world view. and it teaches that I must be separate from the world view and stay on focused on his word. So they are going to hate me no matter what I do because the Words I stand for doe's not fit in their system, But i love them all the same and hope for better tomorrow's.
 
  • Like
  • Pray
Reactions: DenDog, GRACE_ambassador and ThereRoseaLamb
OMC said:
The church.
the nation of Israel
Biblical nation of Israel
How do these all fit in the last days is a question that is one of the most abused in modern theology.
The Three Are Not the Same — and Scripture Never Confuses Them.

1. The Church (ἐκκλησία)
The Church is:
Jew + Gentile together
One new humanity (Eph 2:15)
The Body of Christ
The people of the New Covenant
Defined by Christ’s blood, not ethnicity
The Church is not a nation, not a geopolitical entity, and not an ethnic group.
It is the assembly of the redeemed, gathered under the risen Christ.

The Church is not Israel, and Israel is not the Church.
Paul forbids collapsing them (Rom 11).

2. Modern State of Israel (1948–present)

The modern nation-state of Israel is:
a secular political entity
not a covenant nation
not the restored theocracy
not the fulfillment of the prophets
not the kingdom of God
It has historical continuity with ancient Israel, but no covenant continuity.
God did not re-establish the Sinai covenant in 1948.The prophets never said He would.
Modern Israel is political, not theological.

3. Biblical Israel (Old Covenant Israel)

Biblical Israel was:
a covenant nation under Torah
a theocracy
a priestly people
a national vessel for Messiah
a people judged, exiled, restored, judged again, and replaced by the New Covenant
Biblical Israel was destroyed as a covenant nation (Heb 8:13).
Not erased as a people — but its covenant ended.

Biblical Israel is not the modern state.
Biblical Israel is not the Church.
Biblical Israel is the Old Covenant nation that served its purpose: to bring forth Messiah.

How They Fit in the Last Days

A. The Church in the Last Days
The Church:
suffers
witnesses
endures
is purified
is gathered to Christ
reigns with Him
The Church is the central redeemed community of the last days.
Not Israel.
Not America.
Not any nation.

B. Modern Israel in the Last Days

Modern Israel plays a historical role, not a covenant role.
Scripture does not assign:
salvation to the state
covenant to the state
prophetic fulfillment to the state
kingdom authority to the state
But Scripture does foresee conflict centered in Jerusalem, and nations gathering around it (Zech 12–14).
Modern Israel is geopolitical stage, not covenant actor.

C. Biblical Israel in the Last Days

Biblical Israel’s role is eschatological, not political.

Paul says: “A partial hardening has happened… until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.” (Rom 11:25)
This is not the modern state.
This is the Jewish people, as a people, experiencing a future turning to Christ.
Not a return to Torah. Not a return to the old covenant. Not a return to the theocracy.
A return to their Messiah.
That is the biblical “Israel in the last days.”

The Church = New Covenant people of Christ (Jew + Gentile).
Modern Israel = secular nation-state, not covenant Israel.
Biblical Israel = Old Covenant nation, fulfilled and superseded by Christ.

In the last days:
The Church is the redeemed community.
Modern Israel is the geopolitical stage.
Biblical Israel (the Jewish people) experiences a future turning to Christ — not a return to Moses.
That is the clean, text-anchored distinction.

I encourage debate on any of these topics.
Click to expand...

And by the way it is not last days, it is the "end of the age" according to the words/language in scripture.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back