Modern Relationships and Lindsey Clancy Case. 3 Children Strangled. Overwhelming Support From Females and Male Backlash.

[Lightbeamrider]

So this thread has deteriorated into judging the majority of women? Seems that way

Is this an appeal to outrage? Are we supposed to walk on eggshells to accommodate your sensitivity?

This hideous crime is somehow in your judgement a test case for future relationships?

If it is hideous, why are females everywhere arguing for leniency due to some mental defect? It could be a valid test case. If you do not think it is then make your rational case, which you have not done. It could be other issues like divorced women with children from her previous husband, or body count. Lets say she had sex relationships with 10 or 20 other men prior. Or abortion. Who cares if any of these do not meet with your approval? It is not your life on the line, it would be theirs making the eval. Another obvious error on your part was making this personal to me, assuming it is my standard. I simply posted a X post i thought was interesting for discussion.

Frankly I would not continue a relationship with a man who believed what you seem to believe.

Fine with me.

Thankfully I don't have to, being married 26 years. Honestly, it seems you just want to rip women.

Have anything else other than opinion or irrational appeals to outrage? Something along the lines of rational arguments?
Are you angry? Not that i care since i have no control over the reactions of others. Your problems are yours so deal with them.

 

[Citizen]

I do not know the conclusion is false and you have not shown it to be false.

It's on you to prove your claims, not me. If you can't prove your conclusion is true... then it's false. The honest response from you would have been "I don't know".

Again, silence is consent and so is ignorance.

Do you know how many women have spoken up against this issue? No, you don't. Why? Because you don't know every woman. You don't know what every woman has said/done or not said/done, so your accusation of "silence is consent" is absolutely absurd.

Where did you get authority to speak on behalf of all women?

I'm actually doing the exact opposite. I'm not speaking on their behalf because I don't know how many out of 174 million support Clancy, therefore I'm not making false claims about the overwhelming majority.

...But apparently you've surveyed at least 114 million women throughout the U.S. and can now judge the overwhelming majority as vile Clancy supporters, right?

I do not see your posting here as fair and honest. We would agree to disagree.

Asking you to provide evidence for your claim is perfectly fair and honest. You chose to make it, so this is on you. If you can't back it up with verifiable facts, that's also on you. If you're offended because you've been asked to validate and verify an unfair smear against the majority of women, yup... still on you.

Instead of doubling down and childishly lashing out, you could have just admitted you don't actually know how the overwhelming majority of 114 million women think and feel, and who they support. That would have been the honest truth.

Still wishing you a blessed day!

 

[pinebeach]

Is this an appeal to outrage? Are we supposed to walk on eggshells to accommodate your sensitivity?

I don't know. You tell me. You are the chicken here after all.

If it is hideous, why are females everywhere arguing for leniency due to some mental defect? It could be a valid test case. If you do not think it is then make your rational case, which you have not done. It could be other issues like divorced women with children from her previous husband, or body count. Lets say she had sex relationships with 10 or 20 other men prior. Or abortion. Who cares if any of these do not meet with your approval? It is not your life on the line, it would be theirs making the eval. Another obvious error on your part was making this personal to me, assuming it is my standard. I simply posted a X post i thought was interesting for discussion.

Why are you so worried about women? I would find your ranting to be your prejudice even if I were male. I know that because my husband, who is male, finds your response here to be of little actual value since your entire point seems to be to create I am
stupid as it seems you think all women are vapid. I wonder why that is.

Awww.... I went to the trouble of saying my 2nd post was not directed at anyone but thought I was aiming it at you. If the shoe fits I guess. Your rant is against most or even all women and yet women should not object? Silly rooster.

Fine with me.

LOL! I wasn't asking.

Have anything else other than opinion or irrational appeals to outrage? Something along the lines of rational arguments?
Are you angry? Not that i care since i have no control over the reactions of others. Your problems are yours so deal with them.

You are what I would describe as a gaslighter. How has that worked for you in the past?

 

[Bible_Locket]

Will she get off because of postpartum psychosis? Or some other mental issue absolving her of responsibility? Supporting the concept of inequality between the sexes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2095503772105482316

You can't see the facts of this case because if your hatred for Ms. Clancy.

The jury was sent back a second time to deliberate.
If they deadlock again,it's over. Mistrial.

Postbpartum depression, post partum psychosis is very real.

God be with Ms.Clancy and lead her through this darkness.

Her babies are at peace with Jesus far too soon. That's because Ms.Clancys husband,and the alleged mental health practitioners let her down.

 

[Bible_Locket]

The results would not be a hung jury, which points to a major flaw in their premise.

Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong". Ayn Rand. Atlas Shrugged.

Ayn Rand? Really? You Google a quote to fit your Animus here and think Rand is credible?

Ayn was a fraud! She was on the dole! And she was an atheist.

 

[pinebeach]

It's on you to prove your claims, not me. If you can't prove your conclusion is true... then it's false. The honest response would have been "I don't know".

But he cannot because he has simply taken the opportuniy to express his angst about women in general and how dare anyone disagree that all women are witches with a b?

Do you know how many women have spoken up against this issue? No, you don't. Why? Because you don't know every woman. You don't know what every woman has said/done or not said/done, so your accusation of "silence is consent" is absolutely absurd.

His op is click bait. It was meant to draw the exact kind of reactions he is getting so that he can continue to 'prove' his point and say 'there....that woman is what I am talking about' although sane people will not see that. He has a problem with women and it is his to deal with but he hopes to have that problem underscored by women who find his nonsense harmful to women in general and certainly to women in this forum. You could probably present him proof of 10 to 1 women finding Clancy guilty or culpable at the least, and he would still keep on with the rhetoric because he does not want proof. He wants to place women in some defintion that would probably best fit the description of misogyny .

 

[pinebeach]

Where did you get authority to speak on behalf of all women?

Right. That seems to best support your intentions.

 

[Lightbeamrider]

I don't know.

So you are ignorant and do not know the meaning of appeal to outrage as opposed to rational argument. Regarding why some men may reject females for their support of Clancy strangling her three children in the basement prior to her sending her husband away.

You tell me. You are the chicken here after all.

That is more immature and name-calling.

Why are you so worried about women?

Who says I am worried? I stated my reasons and you ignored. Meaning you demonstrate tone-deafness along with immaturity.

I would find your ranting to be your prejudice even if I were male.

Now it is ranting

I know that because my husband, who is male, finds your response here to be of little actual value since your entire point seems to be to create I am
stupid as it seems you think all women are vapid. I wonder why that is.

Well, if the wording in your post any indication of intelligence? Then?

Awww.... I went to the trouble of saying my 2nd post was not directed at anyone but thought I was aiming it at you.

I did not respond to your 2nd post.

If the shoe fits I guess. Your rant is against most or even all women and yet women should not object? Silly rooster.

More name-calling. Go ahead and object. Just be rational, and that would exclude name-calling and immaturity along with accusations. Vilifying

LOL! I wasn't asking.

Then why put it out there in the first place? If you are going to dish it out....

You are what I would describe as a gaslighter.

I do not find opinion backed by nothing compelling. All you are doing is a lot of ignoring. Like i would really like to know why should anyone care about your approval of why men may reject women as suitable mates when it is not your life on the line?

How has that worked for you in the past?

You bring up gaslighting when it is you who is name-calling and vilifying.

 

[Lightbeamrider]

You can't see the facts of this case because if your hatred for Ms. Clancy.

Hating Clancy is not true. Hating what she did is another thing.

The jury was sent back a second time to deliberate.
If they deadlock again,it's over. Mistrial.

9 women, three men.

Postbpartum depression, post partum psychosis is very real.

Then, by definition, you are inferior.

God be with Ms.Clancy and lead her through this darkness.

Her babies are at peace with Jesus far too soon. That's because Ms.Clancys husband,and the alleged mental health practitioners let her down.

So now you are blaming the husband? Really?

 

[pinebeach]

So you are ignorant and do not know the meaning of appeal to outrage as opposed to rational argument. Regarding why some men may reject females for their support of Clancy strangling her three children in the basement prior to her sending her husband away.

That is more immature and name-calling.

Who says I am worried? I stated my reasons and you ignored. Meaning you demonstrate tone-deafness along with immaturity.

Now it is ranting

Well, if the wording in your post any indication of intelligence? Then?

I did not respond to your 2nd post.

More name-calling. Go ahead and object. Just be rational, and that would exclude name-calling and immaturity along with accusations. Vilifying

Then why put it out there in the first place? If you are going to dish it out....

I do not find opinion backed by nothing compelling. All you are doing is a lot of ignoring. Like i would really like to know why should anyone care about your approval of why men may reject women as suitable mates when it is not your life on the line?

You bring up gaslighting when it is you who is name-calling and vilifying.

You consistently prove that actual adult conversation is beyond your abiliity.

Your thread is click bait. Nothing more.

 

[Bible_Locket]

Hating Clancy is not true. Hating what she did is another thing.

Not really. Your Animus for her is glaring.
She cut her own throat and wrists,and lept head first out of the second story window of her house so to die with her children.

9 women, three men.

Correct. Jury of her peers.

Then, by definition, you are inferior.

You misspoke.

So now you are blaming the husband? Really?

The husband is absolutely responsible for abandoning his wife and ignoring her issues. Partners!
He failed! He failed the babies and he failed his wife! And then,to prove he was an irresponsible absent husband,he divorced her while she lost paralyzed and in intensive card in the hospital.

He was a sorry husband and father.
And now,he's neither.

 

[Lightbeamrider]

You consistently prove that actual adult conversation is beyond your abiliity.

How so? You don't say.

Your thread is click bait. Nothing more.

Meaning you concede, and I do not care about clickbait, so you are wrong again. Look, some men may reject women as unsuitable because they support Clancy and perhaps even blame the husband, like you know who. It simply means such women may be prone to blaming situations or people for their own sins or faults. As opposed to taking responsibility, which would be optional

 

[Lightbeamrider]

You misspoke.

I do not think you are inferior.

The husband is absolutely responsible

Wanted to highlight that. Blaming the husband.

for abandoning his wife and ignoring her issues. Partners!
He failed! He failed the babies and he failed his wife! And then,to prove he was an irresponsible absent husband,he divorced her while she lost paralyzed and in intensive card in the hospital.

He was a sorry husband and father.
And now,he's neither.

 

[Lightbeamrider]

More of same. Dig deep. She needs your dollars

https://twitter.com/x/status/2095555844704514358

 

[pinebeach]

In the early hours of August 13, 2018, in Frederick, Colorado, Christopher Watts murdered his pregnant wife, Shanann, by strangulation, and their daughters, Bella and Celeste, by suffocation. He buried Shanann in a shallow grave near an oil‑storage site and placed the girls' bodies inside crude‑oil tanks, each with an opening only 8 inches in diameter.​

Watts initially denied involvement in the family's disappearance, but on August 15 he was arrested after admitting during an interview with detectives that he had been responsible for Shanann's death. He later acknowledged that he had also murdered his daughters. On November 6, 2018, Watts pleaded guilty to multiple counts of first‑degree murder under a plea agreement in which the death penalty—later abolished in Colorado in 2020—was removed from consideration. He was sentenced to five life terms without the possibility of parole, three of them to be served consecutively.




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[Bible_Locket]

I do not think you are inferior.

Clarify your prior remark,for the record.

Wanted to highlight that. Blaming the husband.

According to God,two become one in a marriage. They are if equal value and spiritual worth before God.

Her husband abandoned his responsibility. He is to blame for abandoning his wife and causing her to have his children when she wasn't well.

Let me guess. You're male.And single.

 

[Bible_Locket]

More of same. Dig deep. She needs your dollars

https://twitter.com/x/status/2095555844704514358

Irrelevant to this case.

 

[pinebeach]

Jeffrey Robert MacDonald (born October 12, 1943) is an American former medical doctor and United States Army captain who was convicted in August 1979 of murdering his pregnant wife and two daughters in February 1970 while serving as an Army Special Forces physician.

MacDonald has always proclaimed his innocence of the murders, which he claims were committed by four intruders—three male and one female—who had entered the unlocked rear door of his apartment at Fort Bragg, North Carolina,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_R._MacDonald#cite_note-2"><span><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></span></a> and attacked him, his wife, and his children with instruments such as knives, clubs and ice picks. Prosecutors and appellate courts have pointed to strong physical evidence attesting to his guilt. He is currently incarcerated at the Federal Correctional Institution in Cumberland, Maryland.

The MacDonald murder case remains one of the most litigated murder cases in American criminal history

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[Lightbeamrider]

Clarify your prior remark,for the record.

They are clarified enough.

According to God,two become one in a marriage. They are if equal value and spiritual worth before God.

That would make them equal. Nothing else.

Her husband abandoned his responsibility.

How so?

He is to blame for abandoning his wife and causing her to have his children when she wasn't well.

My understanding is he went out to run an errand. So i do not know your sourcing for the abandonment claim. Either way it is false.

Let me guess. You're male.And single.

Correct and by choice. The juice is not worth the squeeze. Not that it is any of your business and has not one thing to do with you being wrong about the husband abandoning his wife. After the incident he divorced and remarried and you know why he did? Probably because he was a well-off man with a good career and not a bum.

 

[pinebeach]

Filicide overwhelmingly linked to male perpetrators who 'deeply believe their actions are justified', experts say (filicide is the murder of children by a parent)​

In short'​

Filicide is primarily committed by fathers and experts say there are very different reasons why men and women use violence.

Revenge and control are the drivers of male-perpetrated filicide, researchers say — but children murdered in their first year of life are more likely to be killed by their mother.

For most parents, losing a child is an unthinkable horror.

And yet, the grim likelihood presented by new data is that by year's end, about 20 Australian kids will be dead — because their parents decided to kill them.

More than a quarter of those children will be Indigenous.

It's the first time national figures for filicide have been available in the context of family violence, and Australia's National Research Organisation for Women's Safety (ANROWS) report released last week revealed an overwhelming pattern of gendered violence.

The joint study from ANROWS and the Australian Domestic and Family Violence Death Review Network, looked at 113 cases of filicide between 2010 and 2018 and found 76 per cent had an identifiable history of domestic and family violence.

The study found fathers who commit filicide were almost always the perpetrators of family violence, and mothers who went on to kill their children were usually victims of family violence.

Sixty-eight per cent of these cases were murders committed by the child's father, compared with 32 per cent by the child's mother.

But experts say men who murder their children usually have different motivations from women who do so.

Filicide offenders by gender​

The data shows gender does not affect who becomes a victim of filicide. However, when it comes to committing filicide, offenders are predominately men. No transgender or non-binary parents were identified. In a DFV context, filicide offenders were:


While this is a report from Australia, research in the US shows very similar facts.