Single men & churches

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Back when I had security duties (its what happens when you're an older single), I noticed that every time a certain young woman sang in the services, there were two of our married guys that would sit closer to the front. Why did they do that? .. Well, she wore a mini skirt and she had nice legs.

Yeah, I noticed them too. But c'mon guys, don't let it be obvious that you noticed them. 🤷 Let's not be creepy! 🤔
But mini skirt ????
Agree, too creepy 😳 😬
 
Back when I had security duties (its what happens when you're an older single), I noticed that every time a certain young woman sang in the services, there were two of our married guys that would sit closer to the front. Why did they do that? .. Well, she wore a mini skirt and she had nice legs.

Yeah, I noticed them too. But c'mon guys, don't let it be obvious that you noticed them. 🤷 Let's not be creepy! 🤔
Sounds like one of the sisters may need to talk to said young lady about appropriate stage attire. Maybe one of those gentlemen's wives.
 
Sounds like one of the sisters may need to talk to said young lady about appropriate stage attire. Maybe one of those gentlemen's wives.
Worship leaders, or other leaders should remind people of dress code. Not to reveal too much, it is not a swimming pool, beach, gym...
 
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Definitely needs to be a woman telling them. I sure ain't gonna do it. Hell hath no fury like a woman who has been told by a man that she needs to dress different.
 
Definitely needs to be a woman telling them. I sure ain't gonna do it. Hell hath no fury like a woman who has been told by a man that she needs to dress different.
However if the worship leader is male, he should, or st least he tells another woman leader to enforce it.

When one is in leadership position, don't take that lightly.
 
What if a guy shows up almost naked, who should point it out?

Which church was this again? 😳

Er... Asking for a friend. And strictly for research purposes of what not to do, of course! 🤣

Actually, my chat group and I were just talking about this.

For some reason, I have never liked it that men are allowed to go around without shirts. I think they should wear one. And no, it's not because of some crazy feminist equal gender rights blah blah blah thing.

The reason I've never felt comfortable with it is because if the man is married, he's showing something that only his wife should see.

And if he's not married, then he's showing something that only his future wife should be able to see.

But that's just me.

So what church was this again? I'd only be going there to give everyone a strict rebuking, of course! 😎😂
 
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Which church was this again? 😳

Er... Asking for a friend. And strictly for research purposes of what not to do, of course! 🤣

Actually, my chat group and I were just talking about this.

For some reason, I have never liked it that men are allowed to go around without shirts. I think they should wear one. And no, it's not because of some crazy feminist equal gender rights blah blah blah thing.

The reason I've never felt comfortable with it is because if the man is married, he's showing something that only his wife should see.

And if he's not married, then he's showing something that only his future wife should be able to see.

But that's just me.

So what church was this again? I'd only be going there to give everyone a strict rebuking, of course! 😎😂
To be honest, some people on cc can be covered a little better.
 
Why do single men feel sidelined in churches?
Because you identify as "single man" first and foremost, instead of a child of God, a worker of your trade, a sinner redeemed by the blood, a sage of wisdom, a connoiseur with good tastes, etc. You're bothered with the label "single" put on you by the society, instead of what's to eat for dinner, what's on your to do list or other productive stuffs you should care about.
 
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It’s definitely easy to feel invisible at church as a single. Especially if you're a single person who would rather be married. There’s just so many ways that you can be “reminded.” Personally, I don’t like critiquing “The Church" with big sweeping blanket statements (after all, I only attend one of them) but I do find it a bit therapeutic to talk about the experience of being single, at least.

During a sermon, you’ll likely be sitting in a row of seats at the sanctuary. Sometimes it’s just little things. Often you’ll be seated behind a dating or married couple, and you’ll see them do things like lay their arms on each other’s shoulders or play with each other’s hair. There might be announcements made during the service, which will likely include some events related to marriage, but nothing about singleness. The pastor will make references to his wife during the sermon, perhaps. There might be engagement or marriage announcements, which will make you wonder why things are going so well for others and so wrong for you. You’ll take a glance at the shelves of the church bookstore and see some books on marriage, and perhaps fewer, or none, about singleness or dating.

Also, when was the last time you went to a church where the pastor, church elders, worship leaders, and ministry leaders were unmarried? I don’t think I’ve ever been to a church like that. It does help your mind reinforce the impression that they don’t really know what it’s like. It might just be an impression, but still.

One time at church we had a big marriage conference that made the announcements and the bulletin, and the pastor always announced it rather excitedly. I don’t think we’ve ever had a church event about singleness or dating, except once during my days in the high school ministry. It’s like it’s just assumed that all the adults will marry in “God’s timing,” no need for anyone to talk to you about it. Our church doesn’t have a “singles ministry," either. At one point, I did raise the idea of starting one, but the pastor said it would need to have separate groups for men and women because he didn't thought people might start attending such a group for the "wrong reasons." Which I get, for sure. I also don't know how, exactly, you could keep a singles ministry going for month after month and year after year when there's, like, only two chapters of the Bible that talk about it. :LOL:

All sort of things! It can just accumulate and pile up and suffocate you, for sure. And it’s hard because nobody notices the effect it all has on you. Everyone ignores you or assumes you’re doing fine. And it’s not their fault, really. People aren’t mind readers. it takes vulnerability to talk about these things to people.

I currently work in my church bookstore, where the shelves are organized by category, and for the longest time, the only “relationship books” we had were about marriage (and we didn't even have too many books about that, curiously enough). For a really long time we didn't have anything about singleness or dating. Thankfully, we’ve started working on that. Those books actually sell pretty well, so it does seem like there was a need for it.

It was just one of those many little things that made me feel invisible at church as a single. Small victories like that can feel kinda good, haha.

Also, at my own church, we go through the Bible verse by verse, chapter by chapter, as we go through different books. I think it usually takes us around seven years to go through the whole Bible. So in seven years, there's usually, like two Sundays where the topic of singleness comes up, in Matthew 19 and 1 Corinthians 7. And these passages don't even talk about temporary singleness, really. They talk about lifelong singleness. Yay. And when the topic of sex or sexual immorality comes up, the Big Lesson is always "Don't have sex before marriage. Let's move on to the next topic." Yes. Thank you. Very helpful for the adult unmarried guy with normal sexual desires. Thanks. :LOL:

And the Bible has more to say about marriage than it does about singleness. So there's that.

Don't get me wrong, I love my home church and I love the people there and I can't imagine going somewhere else, but as a single adult you can definitely feel invisible lots of the time. Or at least at certain moments. Even if it's not intentional.
 
In my 20s, we had a young professional group, all singles, both men and women. Many couples married from that group.

I think it is a good idea to have such a group.

Yeah, for sure. I just aged out of my young adults group this past January (the official range is 18-30) and I do miss it, for sure. I do have a have a home group that I attend as well through the same church, but it's mostly older married folks. And the subject of singleness/marriage almost never comes up because of the same verse-by-verse teaching style.

We also have another group that's exclusively for engaged and newlywed women, but obviously, I don't quite fit in there very well. :LOL:
 
Yeah, for sure. I just aged out of my young adults group this past January (the official range is 18-30) and I do miss it, for sure. I do have a have a home group that I attend as well through the same church, but it's mostly older married folks. And the subject of singleness/marriage almost never comes up because of the same verse-by-verse teaching style.

We also have another group that's exclusively for engaged and newlywed women, but obviously, I don't quite fit in there very well. :LOL:
Then you can start a single group 25 and up, many in 30s 40s are single, all can join.
If not enough interest, then join men s group.
I am currently joining women group, both single and married. I have been joining for decades.

If there is no single girls for you in church, you can try online Christian sites. No guarantee, but does not hurt to try.

I believe if a single person try very hard to seek, pray with other singles, then he or she eventually will find someone.

The odds are better for single young men, because more women than men in church.
 
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Then you can start a single group 25 and up, many in 30s 40s are single, all can join.
If not enough interest, then join men s group.
I am currently joining women group, both single and married. I have been joining for decades.

If there is no single girls for you in church, you can try online Christian sites. No guarantee, but does not hurt to try.

I believe if a single person try very hard to seek, pray with other singles, then he or she eventually will find someone.

The odds are better for single young men, because more women than men in church.

Maybe I will. Definitely a better idea than complaining about it. :LOL:
 
Then you can start a single group 25 and up, many in 30s 40s are single, all can join.
If not enough interest, then join men s group.
I am currently joining women group, both single and married. I have been joining for decades.

If there is no single girls for you in church, you can try online Christian sites. No guarantee, but does not hurt to try.

I believe if a single person try very hard to seek, pray with other singles, then he or she eventually will find someone.

The odds are better for single young men, because more women than men in church.
What binds a couple should be common interest, passion, value, experience, education, occupation or other grounds, that's the glue that ultimately draws and binds two people together. "Single" is a stigmatized label society puts on you, it says nothing special about you. This is just identity politics, the water you've been swimming in with no awareness. How about viewing yourself from the angles of "what you have, what you know, what you do" first, and others as well, instead of any identities or labels?
 
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I started going to church when I was going thru a tough time. God rescued and restored me, but going to church alone, I felt like a weirdo and they didn't take me into consideration. I felt like people were leaving me out and I wasn't "part of it."
I remember that there are very few Christians in Spain, most of them are Catholic believers and most of them have been secularized.
 
What binds a couple should be common interest, passion, value, experience, education, occupation or other grounds, that's the glue that ultimately draws and binds two people together. "Single" is a stigmatized label society puts on you, it says nothing special about you. This is just identity politics, the water you've been swimming in with no awareness. How about viewing yourself from the angles of "what you have, what you know, what you do" first, and others as well, instead of any identities or labels?
Common interest is wonderful, in our women Bible group, we all enjoy studying Bible together.

But to avoid improper behavior, a single man and a married woman probably shouldn't get together even if they have many common interests.
 
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