Backsliding.

[Watchman22]

You may not accept Jesus as Lord in obedience to the condition for salvation preached by Paul (e.g., Acts 16:31), but I do.

Obedience is a fruit of the Spirit fulfilled by mature saints well after the spirit of Christ has been given.

 

[GWH]

Obedience is a fruit of the Spirit fulfilled by mature saints well after the spirit of Christ has been given.

The Holy Spirit indwells believers when they accept/surrender to Jesus as Lord and is manifested mainly by divine love (Rom. 5:5, 8:9).

 

[Watchman22]

The Holy Spirit indwells believers when they accept/surrender to Jesus as Lord and is manifested mainly by divine love (Rom. 5:5, 8:9).

Theres a big difference between surrendering to Him as Lord, and surrendering our life and will over to Him.

You understand that salvation happens in a moment of belief. Even when ive proven to you the word believe is a mistranslation.

I understand the correct response to the call of the Father to be a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. That is the true faith response that starts, maintains, and completes the salvation process here on earth.

The salvation process includes acceptance by "Him", testing by Him, a grafting on by Him, all things that don't happen in your moment of belief.

I glad your talking to me again, but I don't have anything you would consider of value to you.

 

[GWH]

Theres a big difference between surrendering to Him as Lord, and surrendering our life and will over to Him.

You understand that salvation happens in a moment of belief. Even when ive proven to you the word believe is a mistranslation.

I understand the correct response to the call of the Father to be a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. That is the true faith response that starts, maintains, and completes the salvation process here on earth.

The salvation process includes acceptance by "Him", testing by Him, a grafting on by Him, all things that don't happen in your moment of belief.

I glad your talking to me again, but I don't have anything you would consider of value to you.

I understand that salvation begins at the moment of conversion/Spirit baptism when souls believe/accept Jesus as Lord and continues during the process of sanctification or living the surrendered life under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, learning to reflect His love.
I consider living the surrendered life of value.

 

[Watchman22]

I understand that salvation begins at the moment of conversion/Spirit baptism when souls believe/accept Jesus as Lord and continues during the process of sanctification or living the surrendered life under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, learning to reflect His love.
I consider living the surrendered life of value.

You can't manipulate the process to fit your doctrine.
If there isn't a life surrendered at the very beginning, nothing after that is correct footing on the right path.

I call that sneaking around the altar, the altar where we sacrifice our life to Him. The first act of faithing, our first step of faith towards the caller.

 

[Dino246]

I don't think God gives up on us that easy.

You imply that backsliding is the result of God giving up on us.

 

[Dino246]

But just like there is a process to receive the spirit of Christ, there's a process to giving it back also. Nobody knows what it takes to give the spirit of Christ back. The process is comprable to melting snow.

Your position contradicts Hebrews 6:4-6.

 

[Dino246]

I like that you mentioned the continually surrendered life. That being the foundation of saving faith.

You have that backwards. Saving faith is the foundation of a continually surrendered life. One does not surrender one's life without trusting (exercising faith) in the recipient of such surrender.

 

[Watchman22]

I understand that salvation begins at the moment of conversion/Spirit baptism when souls believe/accept Jesus as Lord and continues during the process of sanctification or living the surrendered life under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, learning to reflect His love.
I consider living the surrendered life of value.

And just a reminder G, this beginning interaction isn't between us and Jesus, it's between us and the caller, the Father. There's no opportunity there to accept Jesus.

 

[GWH]

You can't manipulate the process to fit your doctrine.
If there isn't a life surrendered at the very beginning, nothing after that is correct footing on the right path.

I call that sneaking around the altar, the altar where we sacrifice our life to Him. The first act of faithing, our first step of faith towards the caller.

Thanks to being raised by Christian parents, my life has always been surrendered, because I have always loved God and never rebelled or repudiated my saving faith in Jesus as Lord.

I call that "God's Plan A for parenting".

 

[Watchman22]

Thanks to being raised by Christian parents, my life has always been surrendered, because I have always loved God and never rebelled or repudiated my saving faith in Jesus as Lord.

I call that "God's Plan A for parenting".

Do you know what the suicide rate for second generation Christians is?

You don't want to know.

This is something my gifted teacher spoke of alot. He was a second generation preacher, and had to loose his faith before establishing a real connection with God.

Im not saying that has happened to you, like Paul says, make sure you are in faith. Make sure you are in a continually surrendered life, a permanent covenant relationship with Christ. Of your own, not part of a first generation.