The Church, and Israel and the Last Days.

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OMC said:
Again, Your objection collapses Jesus’ analogy by assuming “taken” must mean “raptured,” but Jesus already defined the pattern in verses 38–39: in Noah’s day the ones taken were the wicked swept away in judgment, and He says, “so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be,” meaning the pattern carries forward, not the props. The contrast in vv.40–41 (“one taken, one left”) is the same judgment‑removal pattern, not a pre‑trib rescue of the righteous; the righteous are the ones left alive, just as Noah and his family were left, and just as Lot was left outside the fire.
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Here it is in Gods precision.
Mat 24
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39;And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Go ahead and change the verses.
38 = the setting is pretrib.
39= THE WORLD caught off guard and unexpected
40= half of a group...NOT the entire population snatched away ( raptured)
41= half of a group...NOT the entire population, snatched away ( raptured)
JESUS TELLS US, IN THAT FRANEWORK,
"WATCH, FOR YOU DONT KNOW THE HOUR I AM COMING."

Your really detest all that.
You can not possibly process it.
All you can do is claim Judgement at his coming....so sad.
The rest of it is meaningless to you.
 
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Psalm1 said:
Here it is in Gods precision.
Mat 24
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39;And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Go ahead and change the verses.
38 = the setting is pretrib.
39= THE WORLD caught off guard and unexpected
40= half of a group...NOT the entire population snatched away ( raptured)
41= half of a group...NOT the entire population, snatched away ( raptured)
JESUS TELLS US, IN THAT FRANEWORK,
"WATCH, FOR YOU DONT KNOW THE HOUR I AM COMING."

Your really detest all that.
You can not possibly process it.
All you can do is claim Judgement at his coming....so sad.
The rest of it is meaningless to you.
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Post #140 is my reply to this,,, again,,,
 
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OMC said:
You’re throwing a lot of heat, but none of it is actually landing on the text. So one more time for those of you at home, Jesus Himself defines the pattern in Matthew 24:38–39: in Noah’s day, the ones taken were the wicked swept away in judgment, and He explicitly says, “so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be”—same pattern, not a secret pre‑trib rescue. Noah and Lot are removed to safety before judgment, yes, but that is not a global rapture; it is local deliverance preceding localized wrath, and Jesus uses them as analogies of sudden separation, not as blueprints for a two‑stage coming. In the parable of the virgins (Matt 25:1–13), the issue is readiness, not timing—the wise enter, the foolish are shut out; there is no 50% global statistic, just a warning that some professing believers will be unprepared. Acts 1:11 speaks of a visible return, not a hidden pre‑trib event. You keep insisting “100% pre‑trib” by stringing together analogies and then accusing anyone who won’t adopt your synthesis of “tampering,” but the text never says what you’re claiming: it never teaches a pre‑trib rapture of the wicked, never assigns a 50/50 global split, and never turns Noah/Lot into a secret departure of the church. If you want to argue timing, you have to do it from explicit eschatological passages, not from parables and analogies pressed beyond what Jesus actually says.
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Lol.
Just pathetic that Jesus uses the 50 % dynamic 6 TIMES IN A ROW.
You have the gall to make it into something else.

Wow.
Time to really understand red flags you are waving to the world.


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" . Noah and Lot are removed to safety before judgment, yes, but that is not a global rapture;"

Lol.
You make the 50% taken a global event, then proceed to, reframe the bible into a limited local deal ....AHEM, IN THE SAME ANALOGY.

I just can't believe to can do that to Gods word.

.....and still insist that half the world is righteous and half wicked.

SMH
 
Churchgoer said:
Exactly 💯.
Just like the days of Noah. Many were destroyed. Only Noah family are saved, by the ark.
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Who is taken, and who is left behind in Jesus 6 or so examples?
Pssst....nobody was destroyed before the flood.
 
Psalm1 said:
Who is taken, and who is left behind in Jesus 6 or so examples?
Pssst....nobody was destroyed before the flood.
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???
What taken?
In Noah s flood, Noah s family are saved.
Rest people all died from the flood.

Beforevthe flood, yes people were given the opportunity to turn to God, get into the ark.
 
OMC said:
Never said it was
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Your theory is that the wicked GLOBALLY are taken, and the righteous are left GLOBALLY.
( your invented half and half of Earth's population..half the planet is born again according to you and the wicked ones raptured pretrib)

Then you switch the analogy to local event.
 
Churchgoer said:
???
What taken?
In Noah s flood, Noah s family are saved.
Rest people all died from the flood.

Beforevthe flood, yes people were given the opportunity to turn to God, get into the ark.
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1) show me the opportunity
2) it says two in a field, one taken, one left.
I asked you who is taken.
Out of what group is half taken?
 
Psalm1 said:
Lol.
Just pathetic that Jesus uses the 50 % dynamic 6 TIMES IN A ROW.
You have the gall to make it into something else.

Wow.
Time to really understand red flags you are waving to the world.


QUOTE
" . Noah and Lot are removed to safety before judgment, yes, but that is not a global rapture;"

Lol.
You make the 50% taken a global event, then proceed to, reframe the bible into a limited local deal ....AHEM, IN THE SAME ANALOGY.

I just can't believe to can do that to Gods word.

.....and still insist that half the world is righteous and half wicked.

SMH
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^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
Psalm1 said:
Your theory is that the wicked GLOBALLY are taken, and the righteous are left GLOBALLY.
( your invented half and half of Earth's population..half the planet is born again according to you and the wicked ones raptured pretrib)

Then you switch the analogy to local event.
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That is not what I said at all, go back and read it, copy and paste what I said, and bring it back here so the whole class can see.
 
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Psalm1 said:
Here it is in Gods precision.
Mat 24
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39;And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Go ahead and change the verses.
38 = the setting is pretrib.
39= THE WORLD caught off guard and unexpected
40= half of a group...NOT the entire population snatched away ( raptured)
41= half of a group...NOT the entire population, snatched away ( raptured)
JESUS TELLS US, IN THAT FRANEWORK,
"WATCH, FOR YOU DONT KNOW THE HOUR I AM COMING."

Your really detest all that.
You can not possibly process it.
All you can do is claim Judgement at his coming....so sad.
The rest of it is meaningless to you.
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Yes very well laid out. This convinced me of the pre-trib view among many other arguments like Zechariah 14:4, how come the Jews arent raptured if they are saved? Its the second coming when the rapture happens according to posties? Could it be because the rapture already took place earlier and they missed it? And also Revelation 19 the bride returning with Jesus and the people on the earth being the wedding guests. Separate group if you study the Bible carefully imo!

Notice carefully what Psalm1 said here: The setting is that things are going on normally, until someone is taken and that is when the trouble starts for the world. This same thing is laid out in 1 Thessalonians 5, when THEY say peace and safety, sudden destruction comes upon them.
 
OMC said:
That is not what I said at all, go back and read it, copy and paste what I said, and bring it back here so the whole class can see.
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Oh yeah .
The whole class can see your deal.
POSTRIBS USE THE FLOOD, AS the illustration of the 7 yr trib.
( you guys from day one insist Noah is "going through the trib")
Ahem, making it global.

Now you are attempting to frame it part global and part local.

Verify who is left behind.
....for the class.
Is it local or global.
Don't evade.
Answer.
 
Komentaja said:
Yes very well laid out. This convinced me of the pre-trib view among many other arguments like Zechariah 14:4, how come the Jews arent raptured if they are saved? Its the second coming when the rapture happens according to posties? Could it be because the rapture already took place earlier and they missed it? And also Revelation 19 the bride returning with Jesus and the people on the earth being the wedding guests. Separate group if you study the Bible carefully imo!

Notice carefully what Psalm1 said here: The setting is that things are going on normally, until someone is taken and that is when the trouble starts for the world. This same thing is laid out in 1 Thessalonians 5, when THEY say peace and safety, sudden destruction comes upon them.
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Yep.
The same with the virgin parable.
The same with acts ch one, where Jesus is prophesied to return in LIKE MANNER.
( Normal life, commerce, weddings, planning for thecfutere)

All rapture verses are pretrib setting.
 
Psalm1 said:
Oh yeah .
The whole class can see your deal.
POSTRIBS USE THE FLOOD, AS the illustration of the 7 yr trib.
( you guys from day one insist Noah is "going through the trib")
Ahem, making it global.

Now you are attempting to frame it part global and part local.

Verify who is left behind.
....for the class.
Is it local or global.
Don't evade.
Answer.
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Um, are you going to show me what I said or you going to just blame everyone else?
You have this idea that I am rewriting the scripture and I would very much like to see that please.
 
OMC said:
You’re throwing a lot of heat, but none of it is actually landing on the text. So one more time for those of you at home, Jesus Himself defines the pattern in Matthew 24:38–39: in Noah’s day, the ones taken were the wicked swept away in judgment, and He explicitly says, “so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be”—same pattern, not a secret pre‑trib rescue. Noah and Lot are removed to safety before judgment, yes, but that is not a global rapture; it is local deliverance preceding localized wrath, and Jesus uses them as analogies of sudden separation, not as blueprints for a two‑stage coming. In the parable of the virgins (Matt 25:1–13), the issue is readiness, not timing—the wise enter, the foolish are shut out; there is no 50% global statistic, just a warning that some professing believers will be unprepared. Acts 1:11 speaks of a visible return, not a hidden pre‑trib event. You keep insisting “100% pre‑trib” by stringing together analogies and then accusing anyone who won’t adopt your synthesis of “tampering,” but the text never says what you’re claiming: it never teaches a pre‑trib rapture of the wicked, never assigns a 50/50 global split, and never turns Noah/Lot into a secret departure of the church. If you want to argue timing, you have to do it from explicit eschatological passages, not from parables and analogies pressed beyond what Jesus actually says.
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You want this reposted?
Here it is.

Maybe something else?
Why not just be specific?
 
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