All I can say is this view is utterly ridiculous and nowhere in scripture.
Are you a monergist or a synergist?
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All I can say is this view is utterly ridiculous and nowhere in scripture.
It is getting totally weird.
Sooner or later we must face the reality that there is no truth that there will not be someone who cannot deny it.
Like the spirit that gets Muslims to blow themselves up....
Somewhere within the realm of fallen men... there is nothing that cannot be denied by someone.
That is why God has the Lake of Fire.
Where the torments will force the truth out of souls who kept on denying the undeniable.
For they will all finally be humbled and confess that Jesus is Lord.
grace and peace .........
Such an extreme argument/position to protect a false doctrine of God and salvation.
Who is going to be moved to trust personally in a Saviour and His Good News message if it is not personal?
Answer: NO one!
It's the teaching of demons.
Some believers want to cling to their psychic sensitivities.
They refuse to let go.
They think it is being spiritual...
I have already corrected you with scripture, but you reject the plain teaching of scripture in order to promote what your denomination teaches instead.
Here's what Gods word reveals about those who hate correction; Proverbs 12:1 Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction is stupid.
You’re not correcting me with Scripture — you’re asserting your interpretation and then using Proverbs 12:1 as a weapon, which is not how the proverb functions.
The issue isn’t whether correction is good (it is), but whether you’ve actually shown from the text that faith itself is “the gift” in Ephesians 2:8. You haven’t.
The grammar won’t allow it: the word “that” (touto) is neuter, and “faith” (pistis) and “grace” (charis) are feminine, so touto cannot grammatically refer to faith; it refers to the whole salvation‑by‑grace package.
Hebrews 12:2 doesn’t say Jesus implants faith into individuals — it says He is the pioneer and perfecter of the faith‑way, the One who opens and completes the path of believing.
And Romans 10:17 explicitly says faith comes by hearing, meaning God provides the message and the human heart responds; God draws, convicts, enlightens, and enables, but He does not “believe for you.”
So when you say I “reject the plain teaching of Scripture,” you’re not quoting Scripture — you’re quoting your system.
If you think I’m wrong, show me the text, not an insult.
Correction in the New Testament is done “with meekness” (2 Tim 2:24–25), not by calling a brother stupid.
You would know this truth too, if you had the gift of discernment. It is taught in every book of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, but it goes over the heads of those who don't poses the gift
No — there is no verse in Scripture that supports the statement, “If I told a stranger Christ died for their sin, I would be lying and their blood may be on my hands.” In fact, the only verses that speak about “blood on your hands” refer to failing to warn the wicked (Ezek 3:18–19), not to preaching the gospel too broadly.
Ephesians 2:8 clearly states that "faith is a gift". But many of the 49,000 Christian Denominations hold to radically different interpretations of the Gospel. The Church is divided by the countless number of opposing interpritations of the Gospel.
Your Denomination has obviously taught you the Arminian version of the Gospel, and Reformed Theology vehemently opposes the teaching of your Denomination. We can't have any fellowship with those who preach a different Gospel to the one Christ taught.
Brother, saying “Ephesians 2:8 clearly states faith is a gift” is not quoting Scripture — it’s quoting your system, because the text itself does not say that, and the Greek grammar will not allow it:
In Ephesians 2:8 the demonstrative τοῦτο (“that”) is neuter, while χάριτι (“grace”) and πίστεως (“faith”) are feminine, which means τοῦτο cannot grammatically refer to faith but to the whole salvation‑by‑grace‑through‑faith reality.
it refers to the whole salvation‑by‑grace package, not the instrument by which it is received.
And when you say “we can’t have fellowship with those who preach a different gospel,” you’re misusing Galatians 1 — Paul condemns denying Christ’s work, not disagreeing over whether faith is the gift or the means.
The NT never tells believers to break fellowship over the mechanics of how faith operates; it commands unity in the gospel that Christ died for sinners, rose again, and saves all who believe (1 Cor 15:1–4; Rom 10:9–10).
Your claim that I preach “a different gospel” because I refuse your interpretation is not correction — it’s accusation without textual support. If you think I’m wrong, then show me the text, not your denomination’s boundary lines. Prove me wrong with scripture not your systems defense.
Saying “your denomination taught you the Arminian gospel” is a category mistake because you’re not correcting me with Scripture, you’re assigning me to a camp so you don’t have to deal with the actual text I quoted.
I didn’t appeal to Arminius, Wesley, Rome, or any denomination — I appealed to the Greek grammar of Ephesians 2:8, the syntax of Romans 10:17, and the authorial intent of Hebrews 12:2. None of that is denominational; it’s exegesis.
Reformed theology is a system built on a specific interpretation of sovereignty, grace, election, and human will that arose from the 16th‑century Reformers and was later systematized in the Westminster Standards and Three Forms of Unity.
Its core claims are: God unconditionally elects individuals to salvation; Christ died only for the elect; regeneration precedes faith; faith is irresistibly given; and perseverance is guaranteed.
None of these claims are stated in Scripture as a system — they are theological deductions built from certain readings of Romans 9, John 6, and Ephesians 1. Reformed theology is a coherent framework, but it is still a framework, not the gospel itself, and it often treats its conclusions as if they were the text.
The NT never commands believers to identify as Reformed, Calvinist, Arminian, or anything else; it commands them to believe the apostolic kerygma — Christ crucified, risen, offered to all, received by faith, empowered by the Spirit, unto obedience.
You said, "We can't have any fellowship with those who preach a different Gospel to the one Christ taught."
In this case, I agree, knowing what you stand for now it makes sense.
The claim “the true gospel says Jesus only died for the elect” is not the gospel — it’s Reformed system‑theology, because Scripture never defines the gospel that way.
The NT says Christ died
for the world (John 1:29; 3:16),
for all (2 Cor 5:14–15; 1 Tim 2:6),
for sinners (Rom 5:6–8), and for the ungodly —
none of which mean “only the elect.”
You can argue your interpretation, but you cannot call it “the true gospel” because the apostles never preached limited atonement as the gospel.
Wow, thats absolutely right. Your system is not supported by scripture as the history of your movement that I posted says. Look up the history of your system on the internet. Prove me wrong.
You have corrected with a translation.
It is amazing how we all never stop to think it may be us.
There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.
Proverbs 14:12
Do you ever question yourself, that it may be you who does what you think you see wrong in another?
We better be really sure...
Isaiah 55:8-9
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
We have been all wrong at some point when we thought we were correct.
For His ways are not our ways.
Transformation of our minds is His ways becoming our ways...
And, it says what we choose to believe must be tested!
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind,
that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”
Romans 12:2
For some of us it can become more like ...
He who hates correction REMAINS stupid.
Ultimately Jonah repented. It's not a mystery about God knowing this would happen. It's a mystery however because Jonah didn't know that he would repent. We all believe we would but won't know for certain until we're facing that moment.
It isn't that God simply knew what would happen. God orchestrated what would happen.
Where does God's foreknowledge come from?
God's foreknowledge is rooted in His omniscience.
After God sees all possibilities in his omniscience, he then determines what will actually take place to serve his purpose.
From all that information, he narrows it down and determines what is to be.
That is His decree.
God does not make something happen by overriding the will of men as to make men think what he would want them to think.
God simply takes out from all he knows men would think...
And, takes what he chooses from man's known choices to become what will be his decree.