That is not scriptural at all and is a foolish conflation of tithing with giving.
Are we tithing correctly?
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Tithing was a command and practice under the Old Testament law of Moses. Christ came and brought a NEW covenant (Hebrews 7:22), with NEW laws, and commandments. He United Jews and Gentiles under ONE COVENANT. The point of Romans 7. applies to marriage between a husband and wife but it is really talking about how WE ( Christian’s) can’t be married to the Old Testament law of Moses and to Christ at the same time. One of those laws must be “dead” before we can be “married” to the other. Hebrews 8:13 tells us the Old Testament law is “OBSOLETE” and was vanishing away. Colossians 2:12 says that Christ took the old commandments “away, nailing them to His Cross. Exactly what Hebrews 9:16-17 is talking about.
Hebrews 7:12 tells us that the law ( Old testament) has been CHANGED.
Hebrews 9:16-17 tells us WHEN it was CHANGED. When Jesus, the testator, died on the cross, His new “will” or testament, came into force. Tithing was NEVER a New Testament command or practice. Tithing was never a command to Christian’s. Tithing is not a command for the church. Christians under the law of Christ are governed by such scriptures as 1 Cor. 16:1-2, “give as you have been prospered.”; 2 Cor. 9:6-7, be a cheerful giver; 2 Cor. 8:12; give as we have, not as we don’t have.
No one living today—on this side of the cross—is commanded to “tithe”. Not even the Jews.
Don't confuse the temple of the Sinai covenant with the local church of the new covenant; that are not the same thing. It is no more appropriate to take instructions given to ancient Israel regarding the tithe and apply them to the church than it is to treat the wife of a jealous husband to a poison trial. Christians are not under the Sinai covenant.
There is NO instruction for Christians to "tithe" in Scripture. There is instruction to give to support those in ministry and the needy. There is no suggested portion or proportion, but rather admonition to give "as you have decided in your heart" and "cheerfully, and not under compulsion".
Any local church that "requires" that its members give 10% of anything has stepped outside the authority of Scripture and is best ignored. Individuals are free to give whatever they choose, but using the word "tithe" in reference to voluntary financial contributions just leads to confusion, uncertainty, and fear, none of which have any place in the Church.
By the way, the 10% was never payable in money.
The Op is not about the amount given. It's about what the tithe was meant for. (Buying beer wine or 'other fermented drink among food and lodging so they could travel to the temple once a year. On top of that only one year out of three was the tithe ever meant to go to the church/synagog.
The Op is not about the amount given. It's about what the tithe was meant for. Buying beer wine or 'other fermented drink among food and lodging so they could travel to the temple once a year. On top of that only one year out of three was the tithe ever meant to go to the church/synagog.
Technically Jesus in the sermon on the Mount Requires 3 things from all followers. Secrecy When we Fast, When we Pray, and When we Give. These three things are required from all believers:
mat 6:
6 “Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven. 2 Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3 But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you [<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mat 6&version=NKJV#fen-NKJV-23287a" title="See footnote a">a</a>]openly.
With respect, you seem to have completely missed the point.
The tithe was never for the "church"; that word is important. Saying "church/synagog (sic)" is conflating the Christian assembly with a Jewish assembly. Ancient Israel isn't the church.
I do understand what Scripture says to ancient Israel about the tithe, but any attempt to apply those instructions to the modern Christian church is misguided at best.
"Technically", Jesus was speaking to Israelites under the old covenant. He did not say anything about tithing here.
This is my thread and the point is mine to make. The tithe was never meant for the church. It was for the tithe giver to go on vacation once a year. where He was even allowed to sell his tithe, if he had too much to carry with him, and he was allowed to buy beer, wine and 'other fermented drink.' The tithe was an eat drink and be merry command to set a side for themselves. Not a weekly gift to the church. Then every third year, it was to be given to the church.
maybe if you read what I wrote rather than assuming what I have to say here automatically fits your pre packaged rebuttal/argument. You would have a better understanding than you currently have.
The first mention of a "tithe" is in Genesis 14, which is also recorded in Hebrews chapter 7.
"Tithers" will usually claim that "Abraham and Jacob paid tithes before the Law of Moses, so believers should still pay tithes, even though the law of Moses has been done away with".
Abram (later changed to Abraham) went to war on behalf of Sodom, to rescue his nephew, Lot. He then gave a tenth or ten percent from the spoils of war (verse 16) to Melchizedek (a priest of God who was also the king of the city of Salem). Notice that this was not from Abram’s personal possessions, but from the spoils of war. He then allowed Sodom to keep 90%, while he himself kept nothing.
This was also a one time recorded event, in all his 175 years it is not recorded that Abraham ever tithed again.
And according to Moses, Paul and James, Abraham was not even saved when he tithed. (See Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:20 - 22; James 2:23)
If this is an example that Christians should give 10% to God, then it is also an example that Christians should give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom.
So this one time event is not scriptural proof that Christians should give 10% of their annual salaries (not the spoils of war, but their money), not once, but year after year, to Clergymen.
"Tithers" will usually claim that "Abraham and Jacob paid tithes before the Law of Moses, so believers should still pay tithes, even though the law of Moses has been done away with".
Abram (later changed to Abraham) went to war on behalf of Sodom, to rescue his nephew, Lot. He then gave a tenth or ten percent from the spoils of war (verse 16) to Melchizedek (a priest of God who was also the king of the city of Salem). Notice that this was not from Abram’s personal possessions, but from the spoils of war. He then allowed Sodom to keep 90%, while he himself kept nothing.
Notice that Abraham was not commanded or asked to tithe by God or Melchizedek.
This was also a one time recorded event, in all his 175 years it is not recorded that Abraham ever tithed again.
And according to Moses, Paul and James, Abraham was not even saved when he tithed. (See Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:20 - 22; James 2:23)
If this is an example that Christians should give 10% to God, then it is also an example that Christians should give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom.
So this one time event is not scriptural proof that Christians should give 10% of their annual salaries (not the spoils of war, but their money), not once, but year after year, to Clergymen.
When we're talking about your words, it's your point. When we're talking about my words (and we were), it's my point. You started the thread, but you don't own it.
There was no church under the old covenant. Under the new covenant, there is no mandatory submission of tithes. You are mixing things up.
Right back atcha.
Abraham was not commanded to tithe, but was commanded to be circumcised. The tithers' logic breaks down quickly.
Technically no, He wasn't. Mat 6 was the sermon on the mount and this teaching was open to everyone. The sermon on the mount went against traditional Jewish interpretation of the law. This sermon represents the foundational principles of which the church is built. So while you are correct that most who attended where Jewish and lived under the law. The message here was not intended to supplement the OT law, or only speak to OT jews, but to establish a new covenant, and a new way to worship God.
This is why He is calling out common practices that the Jewish leadership uses the law to endorse like: Hypocritically praying openly, sounding the trumpet when doing good deeds, etc etc.. All practices that could be justified in the law, but not what Jesus wants in His new covenant. Which is why I said, that even though He is talking to law abiding jews, this message was directed at the coming church.
Please. Read the OP before you respond, as you have no idea what is being discussed here.
Your words in this thread are off topic/a Red Herring Fallacy.
Maybe you could try reading What I have said before you respond. Here it is again:
So if I read what I wrote, I would have a better understanding of tithing?
Is english a second language for you? If so I can explain in a more simple way. (English is my mothers 2nd language)
Either we are completely talking past each other (which is plausible) or you are not getting what I'm telling you.
I have. You're talking about the third tithe, which is discussed in Deuteronomy 14 in teh context of ancient Israel. Scripture does not discuss it in the context of the church... nor need we.
I am a native speaker of English and have advanced understanding of the language. My "Right back atcha" means "Read your words to me as though I said them to you".