What is the Abomination of Desolation?

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Here are the facts of which I have just proven:
  • The Abomination of Desolation was the Crucifixion
  • All of Daniel 11 (and 12) have come to pass
  • The Great Tribulation began in 70 AD and continues to this very day
  • The Little Horn of Daniel 8 was the early Roman Empire, i.e., the Sixth Head of the Beast
  • The 'King of Fierce Countenance' in Daniel 8 is King Herod
  • King Herod is described in many later verses of Daniel 11
  • The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the future Antichrist we are still waiting on
  • The Little Horn of Daniel 7 is the deadly wound that is healed, i.e., the 'Eighth head of the Seven'
  • The movie 'Cleopatra' with Elizibeth Taylor depicts the era in which later verses in Daniel 11 take place
  • Octavian, Mark Antony, Cleopatra VII, King Herod and of course Jesus are all major players in Daniel 11
  • Even the Disciples, Apostles, followers of Christ are foretold in Daniel 11
  • The fact that all of this was foretold years ahead of time should astonish anyone reading
Moreover, the fact that Jesus is described in precise detail in the Old Testament will upset many apples carts out there. You now have some serious ammunition against the naysayers. And yet, there are so many here that want to erase Jesus from Daniel 11. I find it most revealing
Your list isn’t “proven facts”; it’s a series of claims based on collapsing Daniel’s time markers, overlooking his structural transitions, and forcing first-century figures into passages where the grammar, sequence, and historical context don’t align.
 
How does this work?
Where does this 7 year tribulation appear in the bible ? The bible says much about tribulation - much tribulation great tribulation etc but nowhere does it say "The Great Tribulation" with the definite article "THE" . . . Sorry correction The NIV adds "THE" to it, but it is not found in the underlying Greek, its the bible scholar adding his own theology to the text.
 
Where does this 7 year tribulation appear in the bible ? The bible says much about tribulation - much tribulation great tribulation etc but nowhere does it say "The Great Tribulation" with the definite article "THE" . . . Sorry correction The NIV adds "THE" to it, but it is not found in the underlying Greek, its the bible scholar adding his own theology to the text.
in some commentaries like Scofield. So what they do is add commentaries in the Bible i.e in footnotes or as side bars that 'interpret' the scripture for you. Then somehow people say that is part of the Bible, because it is printed in their Bibles.
 
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Where does this 7 year tribulation appear in the bible ? The bible says much about tribulation - much tribulation great tribulation etc but nowhere does it say "The Great Tribulation" with the definite article "THE" . . . Sorry correction The NIV adds "THE" to it, but it is not found in the underlying Greek, its the bible scholar adding his own theology to the text.

Yes, good point.
 
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Right. He is the final king of the North in the sequence of their kingdom recorded in Daniel 11, and he is the one that in that chapter also creates the abomination of desolation. It is an idol. Revelation 13 then colors in the end times more and makes this certain in great detail.

The final Antichrist is not the final King of the North. The final King of the North was Octavian. Once he conquered the King of the South (Mark Antony and Cleopatra), that was the end of the King of the North/South dichotomy and the beginning of the Little Horn of Daniel 8, i.e., the Roman Empire and sixth head of the beast.
 
So essentially, Israel is going to do something with their re-constructed Temple, that will be an abomination. And because of that, the AC and his army will come and attack.

Unfortunately, there is nothing in the Bible that foretells what you describe. It is all a distraction from the Transhuman (Mark of the Beast) agenda.

The 'Seat of Satan' is in Pergamos:

Revelation 2:12-13 -And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Revelation 2:13 (New Living Translation) - I know that you live in the city where Satan has his throne, yet you have remained loyal to me. You refused to deny me even when Antipas, my faithful witness, was martyred among you there in Satan’s city.

One needs to do a deep dive exegesis on this using Scripture, not silly YouTube videos. The Seat of Satan has to do with the Serpent on a Pole from the Old Testament and its healing powers. It evolved into the Rod of Asclepius:

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Three kilometres (1.9 miles) south of the Acropolis, down in the valley, is the Sanctuary of Asclepius, the god of healing. The Sanctuary of Asclepius, more commonly left untranslated Asclepieion (from Greek), or sometimes Asclepium (from Latin), was approached along an 820-metre (2,690 ft) colonnaded sacred way. In this place people with health problems could bathe in the water of the sacred spring, and in the patients' dreams Asclepius would appear in a vision to tell them how to cure their illness.


The legend also relates that during the propitiatory rites a large serpent (one of the god's attributes) slithered from the sanctuary and hid in the Roman ship. Certain that this was a sign of the god's favour, the Roman delegation quickly returned home, where the plague was still raging. As they were on the river Tiber and about to reach Rome, the snake crawled out of the ship and disappeared from sight on the island, marking the site where the temple was to be built. Work on the temple began immediately and it was dedicated in 289 BC - soon afterwards, the plague ended.


The Rod of Asclepius is also symbolic of RNA. The promise of immortality will lead many to take the Mark of the Beast and will be unable to die:

Revelation 9:6 - And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

The Man of Sin in the Temple of God is all about the Mark. The Seat of Satan is RNA for those that are unwise and accept his Genomics.
 
The text of all the mentions of the abomination of desolation make clear it is an idol, what the idol looks like, who empowers the idol, who makes the idol, and what it does.

No, Daniel does not describe an idol. Daniel describes the Crucifixion and events and people surrounding it.
 
...you forget that three horns get cast down before the little horn...

This is incorrect and a common misconception from Daniel 7:24:

Daniel 7:24 - And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

It is understandable that so many make this mistake because the verse seems to say that. However, a careful study shows that the three kings that are subdued are actually the kings mentioned here:

Daniel 7:17 - These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

The three that are fallen are the three of the four:
  1. Babylon
  2. Medo-Persia
  3. Greece
We know this because Revelation connects the rest of the dots for us.

Exhibit A:
Revelation 13:2 - And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The Fourth Beast basically has the three fallen kings or kingdoms as part of his makeup. They are 'subdued'.

Exhibit B:
Revelation 17:12-14 - And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

As we can clearly see, the Ten Kings all work together with the Beast. There is no conflict between them. One hour is a very short amount of time, obviously. We can't ignore that. They all make war with the Lamb at the same time, in harmony and one mind.

And finally, it is the Lamb that overcomes all Ten Kings. Nowhere does it state or even allude to the Beast 'casting three of them down'.
 
Well in Daniel 11:21-45 (which is way too long to post but the whole chapter is good) its clear the Beast of the Earth establishes the idol in the image of the Beast of the Sea in Jerusalem.

Daniel 11:21-45 is *NOT* future as some claim. Daniel 11 is chronological history from Medo-Persia, to Greece, to Rome. Nowhere do the verses magickally transition thousands of years into the future for no reason whatsoever.

The final verses of Daniel 11 describe Octavian and King Herod. Daniel 12 picks up from there and describes the times that Jesus walked the earth.

Here are the last two verses of Daniel 11:

Daniel 11:44 - But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
  • Tidings out of the East: Three Wise Men informing King Herod of the birth of Jesus
  • Tidings out of the North: King Herod receives news that his son betrayed him
  • Fury to destroy: Massacre of the Innocents and the execution of his own son
...And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

King Herod created many works of architecture. He died miserable with none to help. The verses fit those times so perfectly, the odds of them referring to anything else is basically impossible.

Daniel 12 picks up from there:

Daniel 12:1 - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
  • At that time: The times Jesus walked the earth
  • Time of Trouble: Jacob's Trouble in 70 AD
  • People shall be delivered: Finished work on the Cross
  • Etc.
Thus, the Great Tribulation begins:

Matthew 24:21 - For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

It is the same language as in Daniel 12:1. It is the same event. It is the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Of course that is the time of Jacob's Trouble. How is that not trouble?

Again, the Great Tribulation continues to this very day.
 
What I was taught - The temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt with the help of the Antichrist. The Jews will not recognize this until the Abomination of Desolation, which is when an Idol will be placed in the temple (Image of the Beast).

Sadly, that is a false teaching. This thread, and the newly published Daniel 11 interpretation, is the final nail in that coffin.

We were all lied to. Folks should be upset about it. I know I am.
 
...the faulty idea of a 7-year tribulation,

Correct.

...and the fictional 7-year treaty.

Correct.

The truth is, there is not one verse in the entire Bible that teaches either concept.

Yep.

The book of Daniel even tells us that the abomination is NOT the cessation of the sacrifice.

That is incorrect.

At the very end of the book, the angel tells Daniel that "...from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days." (Dan. 12:11).

Most wrongly assume the starting point and make a false conclusion. The ending point of the 2300 days was the Crucifixion.

The best interpretation that fits the entire Bible is that the 2300 days uses the same 'day/year' principle as the seventy weeks, thus we are looking at 2300 years, i.e., 2300 years before the sanctuary, the Temple of God, was cleansed with the blood of Jesus. That refers to the end of the Flood of Noah 2300 BC:

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This verse clearly tells us that the 'setting up' of the abomination and the cessation of the sacrifice are separated by a period of 1,290 days.

1290 is the number of years from the time the first Tabernacle was built to when Jesus began his ministry.

Revelation 12:1 - And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Revelation 12 is all about the Exodus. The place prepared is the Tabernacle in the Wilderness, the body of Jesus. He was 'nourished' for 1260 years until he was born:

Revelation 12:6 - And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The Woman is the one carrying 'Her Seed' at any given moment for 1260 years.

...the resumption of the sacrifice IS the abomination of desolation.

God couldn't care less.

The truth is, the abomination of desolation is the resumption of animal sacrifices for the sins of mankind when the precious blood of God's only begotten son has already been shed for our desperate sinful condition.

Sorry, but Daniel describes otherwise.
 
A study into Antiochus Epiphanes might also help understand this question.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes is described in Daniel 11:14 to Daniel 11:19. The Abomination of Desolation happens almost two centuries later after his death.

Here is where Antiochus IV Epiphanes dies:

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The next verse is the beginning of the Fourth Beast, i.e., the Roman Empire/Sixth Head of the Beast/Legs of Iron:

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