No, Jesus has NOT put Satan, Death, and Hell under His feet yet. That doesn't happen until after the 1,000 years are over like Revelation 20 says. 1 Corinthians 15 says that death is the last enemy to be destroyed. It hasn't been destroyed yet.
Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations
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No, Jesus has NOT put Satan, Death, and Hell under His feet yet. That doesn't happen until after the 1,000 years are over like Revelation 20 says. 1 Corinthians 15 says that death is the last enemy to be destroyed. It hasn't been destroyed yet.
1 Cor 15:24–28 does not teach what you’re extracting from it.
That Christ must be physically on earth during the period in which death still exists, or that verse 28 reflects an “earthly separation” between Father and Son.
Paul is describing the order of redemptive history, not the location of Christ’s reign.
The text says Christ “must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet,” and the last enemy destroyed is death.
But Paul already said in verse 25 that Christ is reigning now,
and in verse 27 that “all things are put under Him” in the present tense.
That’s why Hebrews says He is already seated at the right hand, ruling from heavenly Jerusalem.
Revelation 20’s millennium is the period in which Christ reigns from heaven while death still exists on earth;
Revelation 20 never says Christ is physically on earth during the millennium — that’s your insertion, not the text’s.
And 1 Cor 15:28’s “the Son Himself will be subject” is not spatial separation; it’s functional consummation.
The Son hands the kingdom to the Father so that the triune God is “all in all.”
That is exactly what Revelation 21 depicts: no temple, no death, no separation, no earthly throne.
Your reading requires Christ to leave His heavenly throne, re‑establish David’s monarchy in earthly Jerusalem, reign physically on earth while death still exists, and then return to heaven — but Paul never says that, Revelation never says that, and Hebrews explicitly contradicts it. The apostolic pattern is consistent: Christ reigns from heaven until death is destroyed, then the kingdom is consummated, and God is all in all.
You’re treating “death not yet destroyed” as “Christ not yet reigning,” but Paul doesn’t say that. In 1 Cor 15, Christ is reigning now and His enemies are already under His feet, even though their final disposal (including death) happens at the end.
Defeat and destruction are not the same category.
Revelation 20 agrees: death still exists until the end, but it never says Christ is physically on earth during that period — that’s your addition, not the text’s.
Hebrews says He reigns from heaven, seated at the right hand, in heavenly Zion; Paul says He reigns until death is abolished; Revelation says death is abolished after the millennium.
All three line up: Christ reigns now, death is a defeated enemy awaiting final destruction, and none of that requires an earthly throne.
I'm going to have to disagree with you.
Yes, both the Old and New Testaments suggest that Jesus will leave His current heavenly position to establish a literal, earthly reign.
Old Testament Prophecies
The Old Testament consistently portrays the Messiah ruling from a physical throne on earth rather than from heaven.
- Throne of David: Prophecies in Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Zechariah specify that the Messiah will reign over the house of Israel and the nations from Jerusalem (Mount Zion/Mount Olives), fulfilling the covenant promise that David’s descendant would sit on his throne forever (2 Samuel 7:16).
- Earthly Center: The prophets describe Jerusalem as the political and spiritual center of the world during this period, with Jesus physically returning to earth to wage war and establish His government (Zechariah 14:4; Daniel 7:27).
The New Testament reinforces the necessity of a future, literal earthly reign distinct from Christ’s current heavenly session.
- Future Fulfillment: In Acts 3:20-21, the apostles describe the "times of refreshing" and the "restoration of all things" as future events tied to Christ’s return, indicating that the kingly prophecies were postponed due to Israel’s rejection of Jesus.
- Co-Rulers: Revelation 20:4 depicts resurrected saints sitting on thrones to reign with Christ, implying He must be present on earth to share authority.
Mount of Olives — There is no biblical reference to a heavenly Mount of Olives. The Mount of Olives is consistently an earthly, physical location in Jerusalem:
- The site of Jesus' ascension (Acts 1:9–12)
- The prophesied site of His return (Zechariah 14:4)
- The place where the mount will be split in two at His coming (Zechariah 14:4)
So, your past statements that Jesus never leaves His heavenly throne in order to reign on the earth, is not Biblical. Unless, of course, you only see the Second Coming as allegory too. Jesus told His Disciples that He would return exactly where He left and ascended from.
If you don't believe that Jesus himself is on earth during the 1,000 year reign, then you need to explain Zechariah, chapter 13.
Zechariah 13:
13 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the Lord: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
Are you going to claim that Jesus isn't the one who performs the Sheep & Goat Judgement on earth AFTER His return where He specifically judges the nations before the 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom period begins?
The only way your view works is if it matches the one I presented earlier in this thread when I first entered the conversation in post #888. I'll copy and paste it again below. This is the only way both of our views might be able to reconcile...
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The Millennial Kingdom period takes place with Jesus ruling over it from Heaven while Israel is technically being led by a Davidic prince on the earth for 1,000 years growing in number and repopulating before Heaven comes down to them.
Here is the best description I could find to explain what's really happening based on ALL of scripture being taken together into context....
During the millennium, Christ reigns as King over all the earth (Ezek 37:24; Zech 14:9), while the prince administers Israel and the millennial temple on the ground — a human Davidic figure with real civil and liturgical authority, but without the priestly office that belongs uniquely to the heavenly Priest-King. The two offices are separated on earth precisely because they are united in heaven. This would definitely fit the "on earth as it is in heaven" that I knew had some kind of meaning that I wasn't catching at the time.
The entire Old Testament temple system was a copy of a superior pattern (Hebrews 8:5). In the millennial temple of Ezekiel 40–48, that principle plays out in a specific way: the earthly temple needs an earthly administrator because the heavenly Priest-King (Zechariah 6:13) is not physically present in it. The prince is the shadow-caster who stands in the earthly realm so that worship, sacrifice, and governance can function on the ground while the true Priest-King reigns from above.
Zechariah 6:13 is the interpretive key: it tells us that the ultimate fusion of priest and king belongs to the Branch, and therefore cannot be duplicated by any human figure in the earthly temple. Everything in Ezekiel 40–48 is structured around that absence.
How the prince actually rules on earth
The text gives him a concrete, multi-layered role:
1. Supreme civil authority over Israel
- He receives a land allotment that stretches from the western border to the eastern border of the land, flanking the holy district on both sides (45:7–8; 48:21–22). This is not a small estate — it's a territorial strip running the full width of the nation, larger than any single tribal portion.
- He is explicitly protected from the old abuse: "My princes shall no longer oppress My people" (45:8). He is a righteous ruler in contrast to the corrupt kings of Israel's past.
- He is regulated: he must not seize land from the tribes, and he must give his sons inheritance from his own portion so the people aren't displaced (45:8–9). This implies he has real executive power over land and property.
- The east gate is sealed to everyone — even the priests — except the prince, who "may sit in it to eat bread before the LORD" (44:3). This is a unique privilege: no priest enters that gate, no Levite, no foreigner.
- The people worship outside the outer court, while the prince sits on the porch within the gate complex (44:3–4). His physical position in the temple is visibly higher than the congregation's, marking his authority.
- He provides the animals for the daily, Passover, and Feast of Tabernacles sacrifices (45:16–17; 46:1–11).
- He offers a sin offering for himself first (45:22) — a ritual act of humility before God, not a priestly intercession for others.
- The actual priestly work — entering the sanctuary, performing atonement, mediating — is done by the Zadokite priests (44:15). The prince funds and initiates worship; the priests execute it.
- Multiple commentators (Feinberg, Block, the Never Thirsty series) identify him as an administrator or vice-regent under Christ's direct reign. The Messiah is the King (Ezek 37:24–25, "David my servant shall be their prince forever" = Jesus); the nāśîʾ is the one who manages the day-to-day governance of Israel and the temple system.
- His territory is described as "the rest shall belong to the prince" (48:21) — everything outside the holy district, the city, and the tribal portions is under his jurisdiction.
Your model only works if Ezekiel’s temple, sacrifices, priesthood, and Davidic prince all literally return during a future millennium while Christ rules from heaven — but the New Testament explicitly forbids every one of those elements.
Hebrews says the old covenant system is obsolete, sacrifices are finished, priesthood is exclusive to Christ, and the temple is fulfilled. Acts 2 says Jesus is already on David’s throne.
So the only reconciliation point is this:
If Ezekiel is literal, your model stands; if Hebrews interprets Ezekiel, your model collapses.
The NT always interprets the prophets, never the other way around.
Does it? Since Paul doesn't speak of a Millennial Kingdom, even though we know there is one, could it be that Gentile believers are already in the New Jerusalem while everything else is going on in the earth? Could it be that God/Jesus is using this time period to show Israel exactly what things could have been like for them if they had not turned Him away and crucified Him? Could He be giving His original people a chance to grow like we have for the last 2,000 years? We know that Paul kept all of the Jewish traditions while He was preaching to the Gentiles because he thought it was important for him to remain a part of the Jewish culture. Somehow, I doubt that God/Jesus cares what rituals they perform as long as they do it with a sincere heart that's focused on Him, like they used to when God/Jesus first ordained it. That's what some of those verses I posted for you came right out and said.
Jesus told us that not one jot or tittle of His word would pass away until the original heaven and earth passed away. Once the 1,000 years are over for them, the New Jerusalem (where we already are) could come down to meet them again and then, at that time, all will pass away.
That only works if we invent an entire eschatological structure the New Testament never even hints at — Gentile believers already living in the New Jerusalem, Israel running a revived temple system on earth, Christ ruling from heaven instead of returning, and God using the millennium as a sentimental “what‑could‑have‑been” demonstration for Israel — but every one of those ideas collapses the moment you actually read the apostles.
Paul doesn’t “omit” the millennium; he explicitly says Christ returns, destroys death, raises His people, and hands the kingdom to the Father — with no intermediate heavenly‑earthly split (1 Cor 15:23–28).
Hebrews doesn’t leave room for a revived temple; it says the entire system is obsolete, finished, and non‑repeatable.
Jesus’ “not one jot or tittle” refers to the permanence of Scripture, not the permanence of Mosaic rituals — and He Himself says the Law remains until “all is fulfilled,” which Hebrews says He already accomplished.
The idea that Gentiles live in the New Jerusalem before it descends contradicts Revelation’s own order: the New Jerusalem appears after the resurrection, after the final judgment, after the old creation passes away — not during a hypothetical split‑reality millennium. Your model is imaginative, but it requires the NT to bow to Ezekiel instead of the other way around, and the apostles simply do not permit that.
I can tell from your posts that you are strict left-brain linear thinker without the ability to see scripture the way it's written. You told me that you were taught about "prophetic telescoping" in school, but were you ever able to mentally grasp it? For starters, all prophecy isn't limited to Paul. You have to take ALL of prophecy and make it fit together like a puzzle no matter who's giving it. There is no such thing as unfulfilled prophecy even though you think everything has already been accomplished in Christ. While spiritually it has, physically and literally it has not. That's why you tend to view ALL prophecy as allegory.
Ah, the classic “You’re too left‑brained to understand prophecy” defense — the theological equivalent of saying, “I can’t prove my point from the apostles, so you must be thinking wrong.” It’s charming that you think “prophetic telescoping” is a magic wand that lets you override the New Testament whenever it contradicts your system. The apostles interpret the prophets; they don’t sit quietly in the corner while Ezekiel rewrites their theology.
And your claim that “all prophecy must be taken literally and physically because spiritually it’s fulfilled but physically it’s not” is exactly the kind of hermeneutical gymnastics Hebrews was written to stop. The author says the old covenant system is obsolete, vanishing, and non‑repeatable — but apparently you think God is going to resurrect it for a millennium because Israel needs a 1,000‑year object lesson in “what could have been.” That’s not prophetic telescoping; that’s prophetic fan fiction.
As for your accusation that I “view ALL prophecy as allegory,” that’s adorable — I view prophecy the way the apostles do: Christ fulfills it, and the shadows don’t come back once the substance arrives. If you want the temple, sacrifices, priesthood, and Davidic prince to return, you need Hebrews to apologize for existing.
And your New Jerusalem theory — Gentiles already living in it while Israel runs a temple system on earth — is a creative attempt to fix the contradictions in your model, but Revelation’s order is stubbornly uncooperative: the New Jerusalem descends after the resurrection, after the judgment, after the old creation passes away. Not during a split‑reality millennium where half the redeemed live in glory and the other half watch Israel reenact Leviticus.
So thank you for the lecture on “right‑brain prophetic thinking.” I recommend trying apostolic thinking sometime — the kind where the New Testament interprets the Old, not the other way around.
Why do you think Paul kept practicing Jewish traditions while he taught that they weren't conducive to the overall plan?
In the meanwhile, you have given absolutely NO explanation for the purpose of the 1,000 year reign of peace on earth. And since you haven't and can't, then apparently it never happens in your mind.
The idea that Paul kept Jewish traditions because they were “still part of the plan” is the kind of hermeneutical fan fiction that collapses the moment you actually read him — he tells you exactly why he did it: “To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win the Jews” (1 Cor 9:20). Not because the rituals retained covenantal force, not because they were still spiritually operative, not because he was secretly modeling your millennial reenactment of Leviticus, but because he was practicing strategic cultural accommodation while preaching a gospel that explicitly declared those rituals non‑binding.
Hebrews calls the system obsolete; Paul calls it a shadow; you call it a preview of the millennium. One of these is not like the others. And your accusation that I “can’t explain the purpose of the 1,000‑year reign” is adorable — Revelation 20 gives the purpose in one line: Satan is bound so he cannot deceive the nations until the final release and judgment. That’s it. Not “Israel gets a redo,” not “Gentiles live in the New Jerusalem while Israel practices temple liturgy,” not “God runs a 1,000‑year object lesson to show what could have been.” The millennium is a judicial restraint, not a prophetic playground. If your model requires inventing a purpose Scripture never gives, resurrecting a system Hebrews says cannot return, and splitting redeemed humanity into heavenly and earthly tiers so your charts don’t melt, the problem is not my mind — it’s your eschatology.
No, my model takes ALL of prophecy throughout the ENTIRE BIBLE and pieces it together, unlike yours.
In your view, I see all kinds of problems.
If Paul "became as a Jew, in order to win the Jews", then he may have been the original believer that encouraged "religious syncretism" in order to win converts. We see how that turned out for other early Christians who allowed paganism to creep back into Christianity by convincing "former" pagan goddess worshipers that it was alright to put Mary on a pedestal, pray to her, and offer feast days to her through way of the Catholic church, which they continue to do to this day. Some Catholic churches even offer 33 day consecration classes where they teach their congregants who choose to, how to totally devote themselves and consecrate themselves to Mary. That's not the way anyone should be making converts. It backfires.
While you try to make it sound simple by stating that the 1,000 years is just to bound Satan so he can not deceive the nations any longer, what would be the purpose of his release to try and deceive the nations again like Revelation 20 tells us he will after it's over?
- Do You think Jesus' Second Coming is just about Him revealing himself to the whole world in order for Him to return to Heaven and wait and see what kind of an impact it has on the world for 1,000 years while Satan sits in the Abyss?
- You say the Millennium is just a period of judicial restraint. Who's providing the restraint on earth while Jesus is in Heaven? Who's caring out the earthly duties of it physically? How does that play out in your mind exactly? When people sin, does Jesus just immediately remove them from the earth? Or will the Disciples be judging the 12 tribes of Israel like Jesus told them they would? They obviously won't be playing the roles of judges in the New Jerusalem because there won't be a need for one since there will be no sin there.
Your model doesn’t “take all prophecy,” it takes Isaiah’s poetry, Ezekiel’s temple vision, Zechariah’s imagery, and Revelation’s symbols and forces them into a literal, future, earthly millennium that Hebrews explicitly says cannot return, while Paul’s own explanation of his ritual participation is not syncretism but accommodation — strategic cultural flexibility for evangelism, not restoring Levitical worship; the early church fell into Marian excess because they added practices God never commanded, not because Paul shaved his head in Acts 21.
And your questions about “who restrains sin,” “who judges Israel,” “who handles earthly duties,” and “what Jesus does for 1,000 years” only expose the problem: your system requires answers Scripture never gives, because Revelation 20 never describes mortals living, sinning, repopulating, or needing judges during the millennium — it describes the souls of martyrs reigning with Christ, Satan restrained, and then Satan released for a final deception before judgment.
The release isn’t a mystery; Paul already explains it in 2 Thess 2: evil reaches its final, climactic outbreak before Christ destroys it.
The restraint isn’t Jesus “waiting in heaven”; it’s the same restraint Paul describes in 2 Thess 2:6–7, the sovereign limitation of satanic deception during the gospel age.
Your thought experiment about “how it plays out” assumes a mortal world continuing after the Second Coming, but Paul says the Second Coming abolishes death, destroys all enemies, and hands the kingdom to the Father — there is no space for a sin‑managing, judge‑staffed, temple‑centered interim era. You’re trying to fill in gaps the Bible never leaves; the NT’s timeline is tight, not elastic.
While I am more with you then not, I do not agree with you on the millennium. I believe as the Jews believed that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years refers to creation. The Jews in the Talmud believe that there two thousand years of chaos, two thousand years of Law, and two thousand years of the Messiah, and then the thousand years of rest. In second Peter three Peter speaks of the scoffers saying where is the Messiah. So Peter takes them back to the first day of creation, and in that context, Peter says, one day is as a thousand years. Now the Jews were not referencing Peter, for sure, when they stated there was a thousand years of rest appointed.
There could be no rest with natural born humans in it, nor with Satan in it either. God will give the earth her rest that she was denied for six thousand years. Revelation clearly shows us that the remnant is killed also.
You said: "Paul’s own explanation of his ritual participation is not syncretism but accommodation — strategic cultural flexibility for evangelism, not restoring Levitical worship; the early church fell into Marian excess because they added practices God never commanded."
If we want to be totally honest with ourselves, isn't syncretism all about accommodation? Didn't all of the Disciples continue practicing all of the laws and offer sacrifices for another 35 years or so before the temple was destroyed in 70 AD? What was the purpose in ALL of the Disciples continuing to practice these things in your thought?
You said: "And your questions about “who restrains sin,” “who judges Israel,” “who handles earthly duties,” and “what Jesus does for 1,000 years” only expose the problem: your system requires answers Scripture never gives, because Revelation 20 never describes mortals living, sinning, repopulating, or needing judges during the millennium — it describes the souls of martyrs reigning with Christ, Satan restrained, and then Satan released for a final deception before judgment."
Your system says to ignore scripture. While Revelation 20 doesn't describe what happens during the 1,000 years doesn't mean that the Old Testament and specifically, Isaiah, should be ignored and erased. Especially after Jesus specifically told His disciples that He must fulfill ALL THINGS THAT WERE WRITTEN in the Old Testament.
Syncretism is mixing religions, accommodation is entering someone’s cultural space to preach Christ, and the disciples’ continued temple participation before 70 AD wasn’t hybrid worship but a transitional overlap: the old covenant was “obsolete and growing old” (Heb 8:13) yet not historically removed, so they operated inside a still‑standing system while preaching a gospel that declared it non‑binding.
Paul tells you exactly why he did it — accommodation, not covenant loyalty — and nothing about shaving his head or joining purification rites resembles Marian devotion or pagan fusion.
The apostles weren’t practicing syncretism; they were navigating the last breaths of a covenant God was about to terminate, not modeling a future return of Levitical worship
The NT doesn’t erase Isaiah but it reinterprets Isaiah through Christ, so you can’t use OT imagery to invent a mortal, sin‑filled millennium when Hebrews says the old system is gone and Revelation 20 only describes judicial restraint, not an earthly kingdom.