Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Revelation1v8]

You’re listing the four classic covenants as if their mere existence guarantees their literal‑land, literal‑nation fulfillment today, but that’s exactly where your system breaks: the Abrahamic, Land, and Davidic covenants are unconditional, yes — but the NT tells you how God fulfills unconditional covenants, and it is never by resurrecting the Mosaic land‑grant structure.
Paul says the Abrahamic promise was never ultimately about Canaan but about Christ (Gal 3:16),
Hebrews says the patriarchs understood the land typologically and were aiming at a better country (Heb 11:16), and
Peter says the Davidic kingdom is fulfilled in Christ’s enthronement, not a restored ethnic monarchy (Acts 2:30–36).
The so‑called “Palestinian covenant” (a later theological label, not a biblical one) is simply the exile‑return pattern embedded in Deuteronomy — and the NT says the final return is resurrection, not geography.
In other words: unconditional covenants guarantee fulfillment, not form; God keeps the promises, but the NT tells you the fulfillment is Christological, not cartographical.
Modern Israel can exist politically, but none of these covenants require a modern state to carry their eschatological weight — because the apostles relocate the inheritance into Christ and new creation, not back into ancient borders.

No, the Bible shows you (when you read the Old Testament books, the ones Jesus said He would fulfill in Luke 24:44) that there is absolutely both a literal and spiritual fulfillment of the Covenants.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Once again, Zechariah 12 is a literal prophecy that will be fulfilled in the future. Jesus will destroy all the nations that have ever come up against Jerusalem. You and I both know that the Islamic nations are trying to do just that. Maybe if you did a little research on Islamic terrorism, you'd know what their goal is. It's to claim Jerusalem for themselves and God/Jesus isn't going to allow it to happen the next time around. Hamas & Hezbollah have already declared these current fights with Israel as their last and they have labeled it a "holy war". Their religion teaches them that they need to do this for their god and they have to use resistance and fighting to do it. That's why they aren't faithful in their negotiations when it comes to dealing with Israel. There is no negotiating their religious beliefs on this.

 

[OMC]

No, the Bible shows you (when you read the Old Testament books, the ones Jesus said He would fulfill in Luke 24:44) that there is absolutely both a literal and spiritual fulfillment of the Covenants.

The OT absolutely has literal elements in its covenants — land, nation, borders — but the NT tells you which parts stay literal and which parts reach their final form in Christ, and that’s the distinction your system keeps flattening.

 

[OMC]

Once again, Zechariah 12 is a literal prophecy that will be fulfilled in the future. Jesus will destroy all the nations that have ever come up against Jerusalem. You and I both know that the Islamic nations are trying to do just that. Maybe if you did a little research on Islamic terrorism, you'd know what there goal is. It's to claim Jerusalem for themselves and God/Jesus isn't going to allow it to happen the next time around. Hamas & Hezbollah have already declared these current fights with Israel as their last and they have labeled it a "holy war". Their religion teaches them that they need to do this for their god and they have to use resistance and fighting to do it. That's why they aren't faithful in their negotiations when it comes to dealing with Israel. There is no negotiating their religious beliefs on this.

Zechariah 12 isn’t a literal prediction of a future war with specific modern nations but apocalyptic, Christ‑centered siege imagery the NT applies to Christ’s piercing, not to today’s geopolitical conflicts, which means you’re retrofitting modern hostility toward Israel into apocalyptic universals rather than following the NT’s own interpretive frame.

 

[Revelation1v8]

The OT absolutely has literal elements in its covenants — land, nation, borders — but the NT tells you which parts stay literal and which parts reach their final form in Christ, and that’s the distinction your system keeps flattening.

You can't use the New Testament to throw away the Old Testament. They work together to complete ALL prophecy, both literal and spiritual. The Abrahamic & Davidic Covenants will both be fulfilled literally before the permanent state of Heaven is realized.

 

[OMC]

You can't use the New Testament to throw away the Old Testament. They work together to complete ALL prophecy, both literal and spiritual. The Abrahamic & Davidic Covenants will both be fulfilled literally before the permanent state of Heaven is realized

I’ve said this so many times, but the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants aren’t “discarded” by the NT. The NT itself explains that their literal forms were shadows, with their ultimate fulfillment being Christological, not some future geopolitical kingdom. Treating both layers as equally future and equally geographic misses how covenant fulfillment actually works in Scripture.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Zechariah 12 isn’t a literal prediction of a future war with specific modern nations but apocalyptic, Christ‑centered siege imagery the NT applies to Christ’s piercing, not to today’s geopolitical conflicts, which means you’re retrofitting modern hostility toward Israel into apocalyptic universals rather than following the NT’s own interpretive frame.

Yes, Zechariah 12 is a prediction of a literal war and we see it starting to shape currently on the earth. I'm not retrofitting anything. I can see when armies are starting to gather against Jerusalem and I can see the hostility that all of the nations at the U.N. are using against it too. There is a reason that anti-semitism is running rampant again during these modern times, because it's going to lead to another worldwide confrontation.

 

[OMC]

Yes, Zechariah 12 is a prediction of a literal war and we see it starting to shape currently on the earth. I'm not retrofitting anything. I can see when armies are starting to gather against Jerusalem and I can see the hostility that all of the nations at the U.N. are using against it too. There is a reason that anti-semitism is running rampant again during these modern times, because it's going to lead to another worldwide confrontation.

Seeing modern hostility toward Israel — including documented extremist violence and rising global antisemitism — does not mean Zechariah 12 is predicting a future geopolitical war, because the NT applies its siege‑imagery to Christ’s piercing and treats “all nations” as apocalyptic universals rather than a roster of modern enemies, so reading current events as its literal fulfillment is a retrofitting Scripture itself never makes.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I’ve said this so many times, but the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants aren’t “discarded” by the NT. The NT itself explains that their literal forms were shadows, with their ultimate fulfillment being Christological, not some future geopolitical kingdom. Treating both layers as equally future and equally geographic misses how covenant fulfillment actually works in Scripture.

No, all you keep doing is contradicting yourself. When you say that everything is already fulfilled and then use allegory to explain prophecy in the Old Testament as only "shadows", you aren't reading the scripture the way it was WRITTEN. It was written the way it was for a reason, and that reason is to FULFILL ALL OF IT.

 

[OMC]

No, all you keep doing is contradicting yourself. When you say that everything is already fulfilled and then use allegory to explain prophecy in the Old Testament as only "shadows", you aren't reading the scripture the way it was WRITTEN. It was written the way it was for a reason, and that reason is to FULFILL ALL OF IT.

I’m not contradicting myself — the NT explicitly says the OT’s literal covenant forms were shadows whose full fulfillment is Christ Himself, so insisting that “ALL of it must be fulfilled literally” ignores the NT’s own rule that covenant promises reach their completion in Christological reality, not in re‑created geopolitical structures, which is exactly why the apostles reinterpret land, throne, and nation through new‑creation fulfillment rather than duplicating their old‑covenant forms.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Seeing modern hostility toward Israel — including documented extremist violence and rising global antisemitism — does not mean Zechariah 12 is predicting a future geopolitical war, because the NT applies its siege‑imagery to Christ’s piercing and treats “all nations” as apocalyptic universals rather than a roster of modern enemies, so reading current events as its literal fulfillment is a retrofitting Scripture itself never makes.

That's because you're blind to the Old Testament and the way it was meant to be read. I didn't say current events have fulfilled anything yet. I said that current events have been showing where it's leading and it's leading towards a fulfillment of what's been written. Prophecy was written in order to give everyone a heads up and to prove that Jesus is God all at the same time. Those who keep watching won't be caught off guard when history repeats itself. I know you're struggling in your mind with how "prophetic telescoping" works, but you'll eventually see it, even if it's not until after more prophecy has been fulfilled.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I’m not contradicting myself — the NT explicitly says the OT’s literal covenant forms were shadows whose full fulfillment is Christ Himself, so insisting that “ALL of it must be fulfilled literally” ignores the NT’s own rule that covenant promises reach their completion in Christological reality, not in re‑created geopolitical structures, which is exactly why the apostles reinterpret land, throne, and nation through new‑creation fulfillment rather than duplicating their old‑covenant forms.

No, the Bible tells you that the covenants were UNCONDITIONAL, meaning both a literal and spiritual fulfillment.

 

[OMC]

That's because you're blind to the Old Testament and the way it was meant to be read. I didn't say current events have fulfilled anything yet. I said that current events have been showing where it's leading and it's leading towards a fulfillment of what's been written. Prophecy was written in order to give everyone a heads up and to prove that Jesus is God all at the same time. Those who keep watching won't be caught off guard when history repeats itself. I know you're struggling in your mind with how "prophetic telescoping" works, but you'll eventually see it, even if it's not until after more prophecy has been fulfilled.

Of course — obviously — the reason you know Zechariah 12 is a future literal war is because nothing says “sound exegesis” like staring at the nightly news, spotting global hostility, and announcing, “Ah yes, the prophets were clearly predicting this exact CNN segment.”
And naturally the NT was just kidding when it applied Zech 12 to Christ’s piercing — John must have been having an off day — because the real meaning was secretly waiting for you to decode it by watching the U.N. vote tally.
By all means, keep treating apocalyptic universals like a geopolitical weather report; after all, when Scripture says “they will look on Me whom they pierced,” it’s obviously winking and whispering, “Don’t worry, the real fulfillment is still coming once modern nations finally behave the way you expect.”

No, the Bible tells you that the covenants were UNCONDITIONAL, meaning both a literal and spiritual fulfillment.

Oh absolutely, Rev, the covenants were UNCONDITIONAL, which of course means God is contractually obligated to rebuild an ancient geopolitical kingdom exactly the way you picture it, because nothing says “biblical theology” like treating “unconditional” as “God must fulfill this literally twice, in the exact physical form I prefer, or He’s breaking His own word.”
And naturally when the NT calls the old‑covenant forms shadows and says their fulfillment is Christ Himself, that’s just the apostles being cute — obviously they didn’t realize you’d come along two millennia later to explain that “shadow” actually means “still waiting for a literal reboot of the monarchy, land‑grant, and borders.”
By all means, keep insisting that “literal AND spiritual” is the only acceptable reading; after all, when Scripture says the inheritance is Christ and new creation, it’s clearly winking and whispering, “Don’t worry, Rev, the geopolitical sequel is still coming.”

 

[Revelation1v8]

Of course — obviously — the reason you know Zechariah 12 is a future literal war is because nothing says “sound exegesis” like staring at the nightly news, spotting global hostility, and announcing, “Ah yes, the prophets were clearly predicting this exact CNN segment.”
And naturally the NT was just kidding when it applied Zech 12 to Christ’s piercing — John must have been having an off day — because the real meaning was secretly waiting for you to decode it by watching the U.N. vote tally.
By all means, keep treating apocalyptic universals like a geopolitical weather report; after all, when Scripture says “they will look on Me whom they pierced,” it’s obviously winking and whispering, “Don’t worry, the real fulfillment is still coming once modern nations finally behave the way you expect.”

Oh absolutely, Rev, the covenants were UNCONDITIONAL, which of course means God is contractually obligated to rebuild an ancient geopolitical kingdom exactly the way you picture it, because nothing says “biblical theology” like treating “unconditional” as “God must fulfill this literally twice, in the exact physical form I prefer, or He’s breaking His own word.”
And naturally when the NT calls the old‑covenant forms shadows and says their fulfillment is Christ Himself, that’s just the apostles being cute — obviously they didn’t realize you’d come along two millennia later to explain that “shadow” actually means “still waiting for a literal reboot of the monarchy, land‑grant, and borders.”
By all means, keep insisting that “literal AND spiritual” is the only acceptable reading; after all, when Scripture says the inheritance is Christ and new creation, it’s clearly winking and whispering, “Don’t worry, Rev, the geopolitical sequel is still coming.”

You actually have to move over to Zechariah 13:6 to see that Jesus is there talking to people.

Zechariah 13:6 - And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

 

[OMC]

You actually have to move over to Zechariah 13:6 to see that Jesus is there talking to people.

Zechariah 13:6 - And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

Ah yes, Rev — finally we’ve reached the verse where Jesus is apparently standing around in Zechariah 13:6 giving a press conference about His hand wounds, because nothing says “contextual reading” like yanking a line out of a chapter about false prophets being exposed and ashamed and declaring, “Behold, Jesus chatting with the locals.”
Obviously when Zechariah says the man is denying being a prophet, claiming he’s just a farmer, and explaining his wounds as something inflicted “in the house of my friends,” he’s clearly describing the risen Christ modestly pretending He’s not a prophet — because that makes perfect sense if you ignore the entire chapter, its genre, its audience, and its function.
And of course John quoting Zechariah 12:10 about Christ’s piercing wasn’t enough for you — no, no, the prophets needed to leave a bonus Easter egg in 13:6 so modern readers could say, “Look, Jesus is literally talking here,” even though the text is about false prophets being judged, not the Messiah giving post‑crucifixion commentary.
But sure — if we treat every wound reference as Jesus and every dialogue as messianic speech, the prophets become a Where’s Waldo book of Christ cameos, and context becomes optional.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Ah yes, Rev — finally we’ve reached the verse where Jesus is apparently standing around in Zechariah 13:6 giving a press conference about His hand wounds, because nothing says “contextual reading” like yanking a line out of a chapter about false prophets being exposed and ashamed and declaring, “Behold, Jesus chatting with the locals.”
Obviously when Zechariah says the man is denying being a prophet, claiming he’s just a farmer, and explaining his wounds as something inflicted “in the house of my friends,” he’s clearly describing the risen Christ modestly pretending He’s not a prophet — because that makes perfect sense if you ignore the entire chapter, its genre, its audience, and its function.
And of course John quoting Zechariah 12:10 about Christ’s piercing wasn’t enough for you — no, no, the prophets needed to leave a bonus Easter egg in 13:6 so modern readers could say, “Look, Jesus is literally talking here,” even though the text is about false prophets being judged, not the Messiah giving post‑crucifixion commentary.
But sure — if we treat every wound reference as Jesus and every dialogue as messianic speech, the prophets become a Where’s Waldo book of Christ cameos, and context becomes optional.

You might want to read all of Zechariah 13 over again. It's talking about the time when Jesus returns back to the Jews after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in to wipe all of the idols and false prophets out of the land of Israel so that they're forced to recognize who He is.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Ah yes, Rev — finally we’ve reached the verse where Jesus is apparently standing around in Zechariah 13:6 giving a press conference about His hand wounds, because nothing says “contextual reading” like yanking a line out of a chapter about false prophets being exposed and ashamed and declaring, “Behold, Jesus chatting with the locals.”
Obviously when Zechariah says the man is denying being a prophet, claiming he’s just a farmer, and explaining his wounds as something inflicted “in the house of my friends,” he’s clearly describing the risen Christ modestly pretending He’s not a prophet — because that makes perfect sense if you ignore the entire chapter, its genre, its audience, and its function.
And of course John quoting Zechariah 12:10 about Christ’s piercing wasn’t enough for you — no, no, the prophets needed to leave a bonus Easter egg in 13:6 so modern readers could say, “Look, Jesus is literally talking here,” even though the text is about false prophets being judged, not the Messiah giving post‑crucifixion commentary.
But sure — if we treat every wound reference as Jesus and every dialogue as messianic speech, the prophets become a Where’s Waldo book of Christ cameos, and context becomes optional.

You just can't ignore the Old Testament.

All Nations Coming to Worship in the Temple​

1. Isaiah 2:2–3 – "In the last days the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established as the highest of the mountains… and all nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come, and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD… that He may teach us of His ways, and that we may walk in His paths.'"
2. Micah 4:2 – "Many peoples shall come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD… that He may teach us His ways, that we may walk in His paths.' For the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."
3. Zechariah 14:16 – "And it shall be that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."
4. Zechariah 8:22 – "Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'It shall come to pass in this place… that people of many nations and of great cities shall come and say to one another, "Let us now go to the cities of the mountains and seek the LORD, and seek the LORD of hosts: I will go."'"
5. Isaiah 66:23 – "And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, says the LORD."
6. Psalm 86:9 – "All the nations which You have made shall worship before You, O LORD, and shall glorify Your name."
7. Jeremiah 3:17 – "And it shall come to pass in the latter days that they shall say to Jerusalem, 'The throne of the LORD.' And all the nations shall be gathered to it for the name of the LORD to Jerusalem, and shall no more follow the stubbornness of their evil heart."
8. Revelation 15:4 – "Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; for all nations shall come and worship before You, for Your judgments are made manifest."
9. Psalm 22:27 – "For the end shall be for the LORD, and an everlasting covenant shall be with Him, and His service shall be divided among the people. And they shall remember and worship Him from all the ends of the earth; and the nations shall serve Him."

 

[Revelation1v8]

You just can't ignore the Old Testament.

All Nations Coming to Worship in the Temple​

1. Isaiah 2:2–3 – "In the last days the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established as the highest of the mountains… and all nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come, and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD… that He may teach us of His ways, and that we may walk in His paths.'"
2. Micah 4:2 – "Many peoples shall come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD… that He may teach us His ways, that we may walk in His paths.' For the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."
3. Zechariah 14:16 – "And it shall be that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."
4. Zechariah 8:22 – "Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'It shall come to pass in this place… that people of many nations and of great cities shall come and say to one another, "Let us now go to the cities of the mountains and seek the LORD, and seek the LORD of hosts: I will go."'"
5. Isaiah 66:23 – "And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me, says the LORD."
6. Psalm 86:9 – "All the nations which You have made shall worship before You, O LORD, and shall glorify Your name."
7. Jeremiah 3:17 – "And it shall come to pass in the latter days that they shall say to Jerusalem, 'The throne of the LORD.' And all the nations shall be gathered to it for the name of the LORD to Jerusalem, and shall no more follow the stubbornness of their evil heart."
8. Revelation 15:4 – "Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy; for all nations shall come and worship before You, for Your judgments are made manifest."
9. Psalm 22:27 – "For the end shall be for the LORD, and an everlasting covenant shall be with Him, and His service shall be divided among the people. And they shall remember and worship Him from all the ends of the earth; and the nations shall serve Him."

To sum this up from Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke 11:2-4:

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[Churchgoer]

Seeing modern hostility toward Israel — including documented extremist violence and rising global antisemitism

Ever wonder why?

— does not mean Zechariah 12 is predicting a future geopolitical war, because the NT applies its siege‑imagery to Christ’s piercing and treats “all nations” as apocalyptic universals rather than a roster of modern enemies, so reading current events as its literal fulfillment is a retrofitting Scripture itself never makes.

 

[God-fearing]

You don't believe that the earth will be destroyed as in 2Peter 3?

Has nothing to do with your inquiry.
By the way ....on this subject....how do you view....jesus.....the meek shall inherit the earth? Seems pointless huh?