Revelation 19- A major Key to understanding Revelations
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Heaven and earth is fled away before the great white throne judgment takes place. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Eze 38:3- And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
Eze 38:14-16 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Eze 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
Eze 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Rev 20:8-9 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Again nobody is raised between the 2nd coming on white horses and the mil.
Rev 20 is referring to the GWTJ.
AFTER THE MIL.
After that battle you are pointing to.
They are raised specifically to judgment.
Notice that we haven't seen Scooter return to give his thoughts and opinions on the matter, even though he tried to tell us that his thoughts on the matter would be over my head. Maybe he read through the thread and decided it was over his head.Please leave him alone already, Karen. He repented. Leave it there. Smh...
In regard to Psalm 1's comment:
Revelation talks about 2 resurrections, one that takes place for believers and one that takes place for the dead AFTER the 1,000 years are over. Tttallison makes a good point though. The Bible tells us that Satan will be bound to the Abyss during the 1,000 years, but he is released "for a short while" after the 1,000 years are over. As far as we know, the dead that are resurrected after the 1,000 years are over could be resurrected and placed on the earth during that same short while, however long that really is. After THAT period is over, then we'll see the Great White Throne Judgement.
No, they are raised FOR the GWTJ.
..or "to" the GWTJ.
Adding a bunch of dimensions to it, is for doctrinal purposes.
Then the bones in Ezekiel 37 must be a prophecy about the Millennial Kingdom period itself.
Ezekiel 37 is a primary prophetic foundation for the Millennial Kingdom period. The chapter’s vision of the valley of dry bones represents the national restoration of Israel and their spiritual renewal, which theologians view as occurring before or at the start of the 1,000-year reign of Christ.
Key elements linking Ezekiel 37 to the Millennium include:
- United Nation: The joining of the two sticks (Judah and Israel) signifies the reunification of a restored Israel as one nation in their land.
- Davidic Rule: The prophecy states that David will be their prince or king, which is interpreted as a resurrected David ruling under Christ’s authority during the millennial age.
- Eternal Sanctuary: The promise that God’s sanctuary will be in their midst "forevermore" is understood to refer to the Millennial Temple described in Ezekiel 40–48, rather than the eternal state.
- Timing: This fulfillment is seen as future, occurring after the Second Coming and the Tribulation, establishing the Millennial Kingdom before the final eternal state of heaven.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Those that are in the first resurrection, raised just prior to the millennium, will reign with Christ a thousand years, and the second death has no power over them.
Rev 20:5 (But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection.
The rest of the dead refers to the second resurrection, and those mentioned in Ezekiel 37 who will be fighting with Gog of Magog.
It seems quite clear. Can't understand why you can't see it.
I would say it is a mistake to place Ezekiel's Temple as a future event. Ezekiel said four times that the sons of Zadok would rule in that Temple, and they did. The Talmud accepted the second Temple as Ezekiel's Temple. Also the altar size that was described in Ezekiel's dimensions was the exact size as is described in the Talmud. Solomon's porch, or what had been Solomon's porch, was also found to be the dimensions found in Ezekiel.
Eze 40:46 And the chamber whose prospect is toward the north is for the priests, the keepers of the charge of the altar: these are the sons of Zadok among the sons of Levi, which come near to the LORD to minister unto him.
Eze 43:19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering.
Eze 44:15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord GOD:
Eze 48:11 It shall be for the priests that are sanctified of the sons of Zadok; which have kept my charge, which went not astray when the children of Israel went astray, as the Levites went astray.
The house of Zadok occupied the high priesthood through much of the Second Temple period, from Jehoshua ben Jehozadak after the Exile, down to Simon II (Simon the Just, much praised in Ben Sira 50), his eldest son Onias III, and his usurping second son Jason, who introduced the programme of Hellenisation that eventually led to the Maccabean Revolt.
Thanks for pointing out that it fit the description of the second temple, but A.I. kept telling me that it did not.
Also, as I've said many times on here, all of the prophetic books show a past time event and a still future event to come that match a similar description. History will repeat itself. That's why some people think that the prophecy regarding the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem that happened in 70 AD are all past tense. When you read further down in those same chapters they are worded in a way that a similar event on a much larger scale will happen again. I kind of understand why Preterists think that everything is past tense, but the Bible always points to a future that's similar to happen again.
When I asked my Brave Search Assistant to show me a list of the unfulfilled prophecies to compare Isaiah against Ezekiel, here is what it gave me:
Isaiah Prophecies Regarding the Millennial Kingdom
- Universal Peace and Justice: Nations will beat swords into plowshares, war will cease, and the knowledge of God will fill the earth (Isaiah 2:4; 11:9; 65:25).
- Restoration of Israel: The nation will be permanently inhabited in the Promised Land, serving as a light to the Gentiles and being exalted above other nations (Isaiah 11:11-12; 60:1-14).
- Longevity and Prosperity: Human lifespans will increase significantly, with death at 100 considered premature, and labor will yield abundant fruit without destruction (Isaiah 65:20-23).
- Physical Transformation: The wilderness will bloom, waters will flow from Jerusalem, and the Dead Sea will become fresh water (Isaiah 35:1-7; 43:19-20).
- Messianic Temple Worship: The Temple on Mount Zion will be the center of global worship, with sacrifices and the Feast of Tabernacles observed by survivors from all nations (Isaiah 2:2-3; 56:6-7; 66:23).
- Davidic Rule: The "branch" or descendant of David will reign as Prince, establishing justice and righteousness forever (Isaiah 9:6-7; 11:1-10).
- Resurrection of Israel: The "Valley of Dry Bones" vision symbolizes the national restoration of Israel to its land and spiritual revival (Ezekiel 37:1-14).
- Davidic Prince: David himself will be appointed as the prince over the reunited tribes of Israel, shepherding the people under God’s direct rule (Ezekiel 34:23-24; 37:24-25).
- Detailed Temple Architecture: A massive, future Temple will be constructed in Jerusalem with specific dimensions, gates, and chambers, distinct from previous temples (Ezekiel 40-43).
- Millennial Sacrifices and Feasts: The Prince will offer sin offerings and burnt offerings, and the people will observe the Feast of Tabernacles annually to commemorate God’s provision (Ezekiel 45:18-25; 46:1-15).
- Divine River and Healing: A river will flow from the Temple’s threshold, healing the Dead Sea and bringing life to the Arabah region, with trees bearing fruit for healing (Ezekiel 47:1-12).
- Land Division: The land of Israel will be divided into precise portions for the twelve tribes and for the Prince and sanctuary, creating a holy district (Ezekiel 48:1-29).
- New City Name: The city will be renamed "The LORD Is There" (Yahweh Shammah), signifying God’s permanent presence among His people (Ezekiel 48:35).
I'm not the one sticking the knife into @Revelation1v8 - that was you. He already repented - there was no need for you to dig the knife in deeper and try to shame him like you did. That was a Karen move.
Don't you not know these Bible verses?
Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
2 Corinthians 2:7 Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him.
I'm not the one sticking the knife into @Revelation1v8 - that was you. He already repented - there was no need for you to dig the knife in deeper and try to shame him like you did. That was a Karen move.
Don't you not know these Bible verses?
Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
2 Corinthians 2:7 Now instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 I urge you, therefore, to reaffirm your love for him.
Scooter's response wasn't that bad and I have pretty thick skin, but if he wants to make statements saying that his view of the Millennial Kingdom would be way over my head, he needs to prove it, and so far he hasn't accepted the challenge.
He also says that he's obeying God so I expect more from him. When someone obeys God, they are loving people like God is.
And he wasn't toward you especially when you repented.
The only thing that I believe that needs to be looked at are the verses pertaining to Messianic Temple Worship. Three passages are offered.
Isaiah 2:2-3 Doesn't say anything about a Temple.
Isaiah 56:6-7 Isaiah 56:1 tells us that Christ is yet to be revealed. Isaiah refers to God's Holy Mountain, but then Daniel also refers to God's Holy mountain, and Daniel is not referring to a post millennium.
Dan 9:16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
Isa 66:23 Does not say anything about a Temple. Here is what the chapter says.----------
Isa 66:1-3 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest? For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
As I said before Ezekiel 40-48 was the second Temple that the sons of Zadok oversaw.
Thanks! I found these verses below. Most prophecies have a double fulfillment nature, so I'm wondering if the dimensions given for the temple in Ezekiel 40 - 48 also fits the description of "the MOUNTAIN of the Lord's house"? I'm going to type another response to your comment about the other things you mention.
Isaiah 2:2 (KJV)
Micah 4:1 (KJV)
Ezekiel 20:40 (KJV)
Ezekiel 40:2 (KJV)
The first two passages (Isaiah and Micah, which are essentially parallel) speak of the mountain of the LORD's house being established above all other mountains in the last days. Ezekiel 20:40 identifies that location as the holy mountain, the mountain of the height of Israel, where Israel will serve God. Ezekiel 40:2 then opens the detailed temple vision, placing the temple on a very high mountain in Israel — the structure described throughout Ezekiel chapters 40–48.
I had trouble understanding exactly what this verse was trying to convey, so I researched a more detailed interpretation of it and this is what it says:
Isaiah 66:1-3 presents a theological critique of external religious ritual in favor of internal spiritual humility. Verse 1 establishes God’s transcendence, declaring that heaven is His throne and the earth is His footstool, thereby rendering any human-built temple or "resting place" unnecessary for His presence. This imagery emphasizes that God is the Creator who fills the universe and cannot be confined to physical structures made by human hands.
Verse 2 contrasts God’s vast dominion with His specific preference for human character. He looks with favor not on magnificent buildings, but on those who are humble and contrite in spirit and who tremble at His word. This section defines true worship as a heart attitude of repentance, reverence, and obedience, rather than reliance on religious infrastructure or status.
Verse 3 delivers a stark warning against insincere worship. It states that for those who have chosen their own ways and delight in abominations, performing standard sacrifices is offensive to God. The text uses hyperbolic comparisons to illustrate this detestation: sacrificing an ox is like killing a man, offering a lamb is like breaking a dog’s neck, presenting a grain offering is like pouring pig’s blood, and burning incense is akin to blessing an idol. The core message is that rituals performed by rebellious hearts are not just useless, but are abominations to God, equating hypocritical worship with murder, animal cruelty, and idolatry.
What you are saying possible, but not necessarily so. Compare the following verses relating to a high mountain.
Eze 40:2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Isa 40:9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
Jer 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.
I'm not sure I understand what you're implying. Here's how I see it.
- Universal Pilgrimage: People from all over the world will go up to the mountain of the Lord to learn His ways and walk in His paths, as the law and the word of the Lord will go forth from Jerusalem.
- Mandatory Attendance: According to Zechariah, survivors from all nations that attacked Jerusalem will be required to go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, specifically to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
- Topographical Change: The city will be elevated above all other hills, creating a physical ascent for pilgrims that symbolizes the holiness and authority of God’s rule.