Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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Beekeeper said:
The real meaning takes you to a place that you do not want to go.
Cornelius will inherit the exact same promise as the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Peter and his Jewish friends struggled with that one too, but they worked it out.
You did not.
So now you can go ahead and write a long essay "proving" that that is not the case.
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Oh and BTW, there was NEVER a Church age "regathering" of the house of Israel and the house of Judah back TO Jerusalem and back TO the LAND of Israel.

Rather, there was an early Church age dispersion FROM Jerusalem and Israel, which became permanent in short order.

And another RT fallacy bites the dust.

The early Church period saw Jewish exile and dispersion away from Jerusalem, not a national regathering of the Twelve Tribes to the land:

Acts 8:1: Early Jewish believers were dispersed throughout Judea and Samaria following Stephen’s martyrdom.

70 AD: The Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple under Titus scattered the Jewish population.

132–136 AD: The Bar Kokhba Revolt resulted in Emperor Hadrian banning Jews from entering Jerusalem entirely, renaming the city Aelia Capitolina and the province Syria Palaestina.
 
Churchgoer said:
Who is the seed of Israel?
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Gomer.

Love (‘āhab): Hosea 3:1 commands Hosea: "Go again, love a woman who is loved by another lover and is an adulteress, even as the Lord loves the children of Israel." God's primary action toward her is persistent, unmerited love.

Oh and BTW, the virgin Bride Church is NEVER stated by God to be "an adulteress"......🥲

I say that now to quash anyone's supersessionist pretensions to re-define Gomer aka the Nation Israel as the Church before they ever start.

Game set match. Is there anyone else that needs to be served some Biblically accurate doctrinal truth?
 
Churchgoer said:
Jesus said, who is my mother brother? Those who does the will of God is my brother sister mother.
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Right. And so will the Nation Israel soon enough. You do realize that the Church has absolutely NO inheritance to "the land"......right? :rolleyes::oops:

And you do realize that the mystery Church is NEVER called "the house of Israel", nor are they ever stated to have David as King over them.....right? 🥲

Eze 37:3 - And He said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” So I answered, “O Lord GOD, You know.”

Eze 37:11 - Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’

Eze 37:14 - “I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the LORD, have spoken it and performed it,” says the LORD.’ ”

Eze 37:23 - “They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

Eze 37:24 - “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them.

Eze 37:25 - “Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.
 
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cv5 said:
Gomer.

Love (‘āhab): Hosea 3:1 commands Hosea: "Go again, love a woman who is loved by another lover and is an adulteress, even as the Lord loves the children of Israel." God's primary action toward her is persistent, unmerited love.

Oh and BTW, the virgin Bride Church is NEVER stated by God to be "an adulteress"......🥲

I say that now to quash anyone's supersessionist pretensions to re-define Gomer aka the Nation Israel as the Church before they ever start.

Game set match. Is there anyone else that needs to be served some Biblically accurate doctrinal truth?
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If Gomer wants to follow false Gods I do not support her, but if she wants to repent and follow Jesus I support her.
In any case it is not the earthly nation whom God will save.

The redeemed of Israel are not called adulterers and adulteresses either.

Revelations 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

These are Israelites saved from the destruction of Jerusalem.
They are called "virgins" because they have not followed the strange gods of the Pharisees.
Being married is not being "defiled with women".
 
cv5 said:
Oh and BTW, there was NEVER a Church age "regathering" of the house of Israel and the house of Judah back TO Jerusalem and back TO the LAND of Israel.

Rather, there was an early Church age dispersion FROM Jerusalem and Israel, which became permanent in short order.

And another RT fallacy bites the dust.

The early Church period saw Jewish exile and dispersion away from Jerusalem, not a national regathering of the Twelve Tribes to the land:

Acts 8:1: Early Jewish believers were dispersed throughout Judea and Samaria following Stephen’s martyrdom.

70 AD: The Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple under Titus scattered the Jewish population.

132–136 AD: The Bar Kokhba Revolt resulted in Emperor Hadrian banning Jews from entering Jerusalem entirely, renaming the city Aelia Capitolina and the province Syria Palaestina.
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Oh BTW the first half of Jeremiah 31 is without a doubt about the return from Babylon.
Notice the reference to to their journey along the Euphrates in V.9.
From V. 31 it is about the New Covenant, and the conclusion of the regathering takes place in Heavenly Jerusalem.

Your millennial earthly reign story does nothing to satisfy this prediction, because it is an eternal prediction and your story is finite.
The only thing accomplished by adding a millennial earthly reign to Christian eschatology is that it attempts to give Biblical legitimacy to modern Israel.
If that is the main goal, it matters not how much damage you do to a correct understanding of scripture, or evidently anything else.

Most political moves require public support and to greater or lesser extents use propaganda.
Due to the name and location of modern Israel, they have become dependent on the support of Christian evangelicals, and dispensationalist doctrine is the propaganda tool that they use.
No honest regard is given to the intended meaning of the Bible, only to the reinterpretation of it to persuade Christians to support the corrupt institution of modern Israel.

As a dispensationalist if you do that successfully, you have "won".

cv5 said:
And you do realize that the mystery Church is NEVER called "the house of Israel", nor are they ever stated to have David as King over them.....right
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Mathew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

cv5 said:
BTW, did you want to chime in on the Matthew 25 sheep and goat NATIONS judgement?
I didn't think so. Nor does any other supersessionist.
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So when you read the word "nations" (ethnos) in v.32 did you really think that God regards our vain political structures?
It sounds like you might be categorizing New Zealand as a sheep and Australia as a goat!
Did you not consider that it could possibly mean people of all families, i.e. everyone?

Notice that the unbelieving "goats" are gathered before Him too, with no mention of a 1000 year time gap.
It does not look good for your eschatological model, but I do not expect you to care.

The true motivation behind dispensationalist doctrine is not to get it right.
 
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Beekeeper said:
If Gomer wants to follow false Gods I do not support her, but if she wants to repent and follow Jesus I support her.
In any case it is not the earthly nation whom God will save.

The redeemed of Israel are not called adulterers and adulteresses either.

Revelations 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

These are Israelites saved from the destruction of Jerusalem.
They are called "virgins" because they have not followed the strange gods of the Pharisees.
Being married is not being "defiled with women".
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The 144,000 that make up 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Israel are sealed during the last Great Tribulation so they are not harmed (Revelation 7).

By the time Jesus actually returns, the number of people who are saved in the land will increase, but the majority of them will still be cut off.

Zechariah 13:8-9

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
 
Revelation1v8 said:
The 144,000 that make up 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Israel are sealed during the last Great Tribulation so they are not harmed (Revelation 7).

By the time Jesus actually returns, the number of people who are saved in the land will increase, but the majority of them will still be cut off.

Zechariah 13:8-9

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
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In the dispensationalist belief system I thought that would mean that two thirds of the Jews, whom you profess to love will be slaughtered by the Antichrist, whom you do everything you can to facilitate.
All good, because you get raptured first.
 
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cv5 said:
Gomer.

Love (‘āhab): Hosea 3:1 commands Hosea: "Go again, love a woman who is loved by another lover and is an adulteress, even as the Lord loves the children of Israel." God's primary action toward her is persistent, unmerited love.
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yes, in ot, God showed love to Israel over and over, until divorce.
cv5 said:
Oh and BTW, the virgin Bride Church is NEVER stated by God to be "an adulteress"......🥲
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Correct. True believer has a new heart. Faithful to God.
cv5 said:
I say that now to quash anyone's supersessionist pretensions to re-define Gomer aka the Nation Israel as the Church before they ever start.

Game set match. Is there anyone else that needs to be served some Biblically accurate doctrinal truth?
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Jesus the fulfillment. Never about ethnicity.
 
Beekeeper said:
In the dispensationalist belief system I thought that would mean that two thirds of the Jews, whom you profess to love will be slaughtered by the Antichrist, whom you do everything you can to facilitate.
All good, because you get raptured first.
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There aren't just Jews living in the current land. It's filled with Arabs and Muslims too.
 
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