Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[cv5]

You need to read hosea every chapter, by order.
Ethnic isreal given the opportunity as wife,
Gomer commit adultery.
God gives gomer 2nd chance to repent and come back,
Gomer continue unfaithful.
God's judgment on israel.
God send Jesus to ransom isreal, hosea 13:14, giving ethnic Israel another opportunity, 14:4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Whoever is wise....return to God.
As Peter, Paul, mary.... did.

Hosea 3:5 is about Jesus, and children of Jesus, fyi. Fear the Lord, return and seek God. This is the calling to ethnic Israel, even including today.

Not a secular system.

The Claim: Hosea 3:5 is about Jesus and the "children of Jesus."

The Refutation: Hosea 3:5 states: "Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king."

"Children" refers to Israel: The text explicitly says "the children of Israel" (meaning the Israelites/Jewish descendants), not "children of Jesus."

"David their king": Historically, Hosea was speaking to the Northern Kingdom, which had broken away from the Davidic monarchy. Culturally and prophetically, "David" refers either to the restored Davidic line or, in Christian messianic theology, to Jesus as the Son of David.

No textual basis: The phrase "children of Jesus" appears nowhere in Hebrew or Christian Scripture. Jesus never had physical children, nor is believers' relationship to Him framed as His "children" in Hosea.

 

[Churchgoer]

The Claim: Hosea 3:5 is about Jesus and the "children of Jesus."

The Refutation: Hosea 3:5 states: "Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king."

"Children" refers to Israel: The text explicitly says "the children of Israel" (meaning the Israelites/Jewish descendants), not "children of Jesus."

"David their king": Historically, Hosea was speaking to the Northern Kingdom, which had broken away from the Davidic monarchy. Culturally and prophetically, "David" refers either to the restored Davidic line or, in Christian messianic theology, to Jesus as the Son of David.

No textual basis: The phrase "children of Jesus" appears nowhere in Hebrew or Christian Scripture. Jesus never had physical children, nor is believers' relationship to Him framed as His "children" in Hosea.

Hosea 3:5 states: "Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God and David their king."

Who is David their king?

Children of Israel return to who?

Jesus says who is children of Abraham? Who is Jesus mother, sister, brother.....

 

[cv5]

You need to read hosea every chapter, by order.
Ethnic isreal given the opportunity as wife,
Gomer commit adultery.
God gives gomer 2nd chance to repent and come back,
Gomer continue unfaithful.
God's judgment on israel.
God send Jesus to ransom isreal, hosea 13:14, giving ethnic Israel another opportunity, 14:4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Whoever is wise....return to God.
As Peter, Paul, mary.... did.

Hosea 3:5 is about Jesus, and children of Jesus, fyi. Fear the Lord, return and seek God. This is the calling to ethnic Israel, even including today.

Not a secular system.

"God gives gomer 2nd chance to repent and come back,
Gomer continue unfaithful.
God's judgment on israel."

That summary completely scrambles both the narrative timeline and the theological sequence of the Book of Hosea.

In Hosea, Gomer’s unfaithfulness occurs before her restoration, and God’s judgment is designed to lead to repentance, not to follow a rejected "second chance."

The Actual Sequence in Hosea
* Marriage and Departure (Hosea 1–2):
* Hosea marries Gomer. She bears children and then becomes unfaithful, pursuing her lovers (symbolizing Israel turning to Baal and idols).
* Judgment as a Hedge, Not the End (Hosea 2:2–13):
* God pronounces judgment on Israel’s spiritual adultery. He strips away her provisions and hedges her way with thorns so she cannot reach her lovers, driving her to realize her original condition was better.
* Redemption and Restoration (Hosea 3:1–5):
* God commands Hosea to go buy Gomer back out of her degradation/slavery, loving her even while she was in her sin. This mirrors God’s unfailing covenant love (hesed) for Israel.
* Call to Future Repentance and Reconciliation (Hosea 4–14):
* Israel is called to return to the Lord. The prophetic pattern ends with a vision of ultimate repentance, healing, and restoration (Hosea 14), where God promises, "I will heal their apostasy, I will love them freely."

Why the Incorrect Sequence Fails
* It reverses Grace and Redemption: Hosea does not wait for Gomer to clean up her act or repent before he buys her back. He redeems her at her lowest point, demonstrating divine grace.
* It misinterprets the purpose of Judgment: In Hosea, judgment is corrective and covenantal (a "wilderness" experience to win her heart back), rather than a final abandonment after a failed s
econd chance.

 

[Grace911]

Hell no. Israel as God's chosen people is irreplaceable. The Gentile church as we know it is grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, access to God is extended to us Gentiles through Jesus, by no means is that a replacement of the original Israel. Gentiles are specifically warned in Rom. 11:19-21 on this.

For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. (Rom. 11:13-21)

There is, however, an important qualification I’d retain. Being grafted into the olive tree doesn’t necessarily establish that every Torah command applies identically to every grafted-in Gentile. Torah itself contains distinctions—priests versus non-priests, men versus women, native Israelites versus foreigners in certain circumstances, agricultural laws tied to the land, Temple regulations, and so forth. Acts 15 also becomes particularly important because the apostles were explicitly deciding what should initially be required of Gentiles turning to God. And the willful choosing to observe Sabbath is a covenant sign of which God you belong to or which God you honor.

 

[Beekeeper]

The RT crowd is obsessed with anything pertaining to the destruction, desolation, judgement and curses upon Jerusalem and/or Jews and/or the Nation Israel.

Yet they NEVER speak about its CERTAIN and inevitable deliverance, repentance, redemption, restoration and ETERNAL blessing.

I leave it to the viewing audience to ponder the state of heart required for such kinds of grievous omissions.

Why are we not allowed to discuss the second most prophesied about event in the Bible?
Nobody denies that there is eternal blessing for those that repent and believe.
How will you bring them to repentance?
By telling them that they are God's people while in unbelief?

 

[Bible_Locket]

Well,given Israel was cursed by its own after they killed Immanuel, if we are wrong let his blood be upon our heads and those of our children, what has befallen the Jews should come as no surprise.
In essence they asked for it.

This doesn't mean they will not be reconciled to God.
They shall. As God says.

Those who think they are doomed for eternity and Gentiles take their place cannot actually prove God agrees.

Especially when they freely choose to ignore the passage, there are no Jews or Gentiles in God's eyes. We are all one in him.

Manh a racist,bigot,have claimed the name of Christ as if that is a badge of truth sustaining their evil.

They'll never show any passage in God's words where he agrees with that either.

Many claim the name. Few are those whose name he claims.

 

[OMC]

Israel bears covenant consequences, but God promises future reconciliation;
Gentiles are grafted in, but never replace Israel;
racism and bigotry are condemned because God shows no partiality (Romans 2:11); and the true people of God are those whose names He claims, not those who merely claim His name (Matthew 7:21–23).

 

[Beekeeper]

Those who think they are doomed for eternity and Gentiles take their place cannot actually prove God agrees.

Not a single commenter here has yet expressed that opinion.

If the blessing for the children of Israel rests on the promises to Abraham, the same blessings are now offered to all of the nations (Galatians 3:16).
This is not a surprise, Isaiah predicted it:

Isaiah 49:6
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

and the NT confirms it:

Luke 2:
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

In any case all who reject Christ are doomed for eternity whether Jewish or not, so if that is what you mean I take the blame happily.

 

[Bible_Locket]

Not a single commenter here has yet expressed that opinion.

Maybe that's thought to be the case because those here don't know what Suppressionism is.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Replacement-theology

If the blessing for the children of Israel rests on the promises to Abraham, the same blessings are now offered to all of the nations (Galatians 3:16).
This is not a surprise, Isaiah predicted it:

Isaiah 49:6
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

and the NT confirms it:

Luke 2:
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;
32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

In any case all who reject Christ are doomed for eternity whether Jewish or not, so if that is what you mean I take the blame happily.

 

[cv5]

Why are we not allowed to discuss the second most prophesied about event in the Bible?
Nobody denies that there is eternal blessing for those that repent and believe.
How will you bring them to repentance?
By telling them that they are God's people while in unbelief?

I suggest you expend your efforts in baffling the Biblically illiterate. On me you are spilling ink in vain.

We know that the Nation Israel will in fact repent only after being plunged into the "darkness" of the time of Jacob's trouble the 70th week of Daniel tribulation. They will exit reconciled to their God, redeemed and RESTORED.

Of course you have never quoted these passages, as they debunk all RT and preterist dogma.

Hos 5:15 - I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hos 6:1 - Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

Hos 6:2 - After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Mat 17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive UNTIL the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

 

[Churchgoer]

"God gives gomer 2nd chance to repent and come back,
Gomer continue unfaithful.
God's judgment on israel."

That summary completely scrambles both the narrative timeline and the theological sequence of the Book of Hosea.

In Hosea, Gomer’s unfaithfulness occurs before her restoration, and God’s judgment is designed to lead to repentance, not to follow a rejected "second chance."

The Actual Sequence in Hosea
* Marriage and Departure (Hosea 1–2):
* Hosea marries Gomer. She bears children and then becomes unfaithful, pursuing her lovers (symbolizing Israel turning to Baal and idols).
* Judgment as a Hedge, Not the End (Hosea 2:2–13):
* God pronounces judgment on Israel’s spiritual adultery. He strips away her provisions and hedges her way with thorns so she cannot reach her lovers, driving her to realize her original condition was better.
* Redemption and Restoration (Hosea 3:1–5):

Correct, Redemption and restoration goes together. God didn't encourage gomer continuing whoredom.

* God commands Hosea to go buy Gomer back out of her degradation/slavery, loving her even while she was in her sin. This mirrors God’s unfailing covenant love (hesed) for Israel.
* Call to Future Repentance and Reconciliation (Hosea 4–14):

Correct, repent, restore.
Not continuing whoredom.

* Israel is called to return to the Lord. The prophetic pattern ends with a vision of ultimate repentance, healing, and restoration (Hosea 14), where God promises, "I will heal their apostasy, I will love them freely."

Correct, happening hand in hand. Again not encouraging whoredom.

Why the Incorrect Sequence Fails
* It reverses Grace and Redemption: Hosea does not wait for Gomer to clean up her act or repent before he buys her back. He redeems her at her lowest point, demonstrating divine grace.

Please read Hosea 3: 3, 4, 5. Buy her back she is not in whoredom at that time after buying back.
Verse 3, gomer to be faithful. (Not unfaithful) sounds familiar? That is the believers.
Verse 4, children of Israel still outside of God, no God with them.
Verse 5, remnant of Israel in the latter days will finally come to God. Sounds familiar? Plenty jews is with Jesus, as Paul, Peter, mary....

* It misinterprets the purpose of Judgment: In Hosea, judgment is corrective and covenantal (a "wilderness" experience to win her heart back), rather than a final abandonment after a failed s
econd chance.

God didn't abandon Paul, Peter, mary, all who purchased by Jesus .....
Hosea 11:12, see the difference between unfaithful and faithful?

Go again to hosea 12, difference again.

Final calling to repent, return to God hosea 14.
Return is heart return to God.

 

[cv5]

Correct, Redemption and restoration goes together. God didn't encourage gomer continuing whoredom.


Correct, repent, restore.
Not continuing whoredom.

Correct, happening hand in hand. Again not encouraging whoredom.

Please read Hosea 3: 3, 4, 5. Buy her back she is not in whoredom at that time after buying back.
Verse 3, gomer to be faithful. (Not unfaithful) sounds familiar? That is the believers.
Verse 4, children of Israel still outside of God, no God with them.
Verse 5, remnant of Israel in the latter days will finally come to God. Sounds familiar? Plenty jews is with Jesus, as Paul, Peter, mary....

God didn't abandon Paul, Peter, mary, all who purchased by Jesus .....
Hosea 11:12, see the difference between unfaithful and faithful?

Go again to hosea 12, difference again.

Final calling to repent, return to God hosea 14.
Return is heart return to God.

Your entire thesis has been debunked conclusively. Your efforts to shore up this shabby RT charade are all in vain.

 

[Lovette]

Correct, Redemption and restoration goes together. God didn't encourage gomer continuing whoredom.


Correct, repent, restore.
Not continuing whoredom.

Correct, happening hand in hand. Again not encouraging whoredom.

Please read Hosea 3: 3, 4, 5. Buy her back she is not in whoredom at that time after buying back.
Verse 3, gomer to be faithful. (Not unfaithful) sounds familiar? That is the believers.
Verse 4, children of Israel still outside of God, no God with them.
Verse 5, remnant of Israel in the latter days will finally come to God. Sounds familiar? Plenty jews is with Jesus, as Paul, Peter, mary....

God didn't abandon Paul, Peter, mary, all who purchased by Jesus .....
Hosea 11:12, see the difference between unfaithful and faithful?

Go again to hosea 12, difference again.

Final calling to repent, return to God hosea 14.
Return is heart return to God.

Don't feed that condescending narcissist.

 

[Kroogz]

Don't feed that condescending narcissist.

You guys have not fed the flock............EVER.

 

[Churchgoer]

Your entire thesis has been debunked conclusively. Your efforts to shore up this shabby RT charade are all in vain.

Statement without fact backing up, typical definition for .....

 

[Farsikletan]

The Jews were an example of a people that experienced a great spiritual movement with Moses and had been somewhat left behind. Spiritual movements of power naturally include this -reaching back to the so called good times but in the current time period seem distant from truth. As far as Romans goes, there are all types of included people that would be considered Jewish because they had heard of Christ, or the Old Testament and Law, but would not continue with genuine receptive faith. So much as Jews would not have faith in Christ, so did many even though they knew it was true or right. Most Jews fall way short of even in contemplation performing the requirements of old Law based life because the world has changed. And the man of lawlessness, even emporer titus, has already set himself up in the temple of God and later put an end to sacrifice and offering. In brutality, ball sweat, and blood drinking, emporers thought they were god or superhuman by instinct and money, easily but falsely micro identifying any type of citizen or person. Any Christian could rise in the afterlife to meet the Lord in the air, after vultures had gathered as they saw the events of their life ending, but in this life rising after those who had already died had a lot to do with being knit together with the early church. In recognizing who and how they were -like you already knew the truth. Martyrs often after rejecting the mark. In early home churches the fragrant aroma and spiritual reality of the cross of the Rinsing Lord Jesus Christ was always present. They worshiped His life and who he was on the cross, requiring and embracing his grace before resurrection and rapture.

 

[Lovette]

The Jews were an example of a people that experienced a great spiritual movement with Moses and had been somewhat left behind. Spiritual movements of power naturally include this -reaching back to the so called good times but in the current time period seem distant from truth. As far as Romans goes, there are all types of included people that would be considered Jewish because they had heard of Christ, or the Old Testament and Law, but would not continue with genuine receptive faith. So much as Jews would not have faith in Christ, so did many even though they knew it was true or right. Most Jews fall way short of even in contemplation performing the requirements of old Law based life because the world has changed. And the man of lawlessness, even emporer titus, has already set himself up in the temple of God and later put an end to sacrifice and offering. In brutality, ball sweat, and blood drinking, emporers thought they were god or superhuman by instinct and money, easily but falsely micro identifying any type of citizen or person. Any Christian could rise in the afterlife to meet the Lord in the air, after vultures had gathered as they saw the events of their life ending, but in this life rising after those who had already died had a lot to do with being knit together with the early church. In recognizing who and how they were -like you already knew the truth. Martyrs often after rejecting the mark. In early home churches the fragrant aroma and spiritual reality of the cross of the Rinsing Lord Jesus Christ was always present. They worshiped His life and who he was on the cross, requiring and embracing his grace before resurrection and rapture.

There's no "replacement", just expansion, from Jews to Gentiles, the latter doesn't necessarily replace the former. "Replacement" comes from a false dichotomy.

 

[Beekeeper]

I suggest you expend your efforts in baffling the Biblically illiterate. On me you are spilling ink in vain.

We know that the Nation Israel will in fact repent only after being plunged into the "darkness" of the time of Jacob's trouble the 70th week of Daniel tribulation. They will exit reconciled to their God, redeemed and RESTORED.

Of course you have never quoted these passages, as they debunk all RT and preterist dogma.

Hos 5:15 - I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

Hos 6:1 - Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

Hos 6:2 - After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

Mat 17:11
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Act 3:21
“whom heaven must receive UNTIL the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

Jacob's trouble from Jeremiah 30 is the Babylonian captivity.
Yet if it is future, which empire will be using Hebrew slave labor?
Speaking of Jacob:

Jeremiah 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

Anyway there is content in the chapter that sounds useful to Dispensationalist mythology, so to the dispensationalist it must be placed in the future, where flexibility of interpretation abounds.
So it gives birth to the story that modern Israel's actions will lead to the building of a third temple and usher in the Antichrist, who will kill two thirds of the people there.
Yet while believing all this, Dispensationalists support those same actions in any way they can, making excuses for genocides and preemptive wars.
So while making Christianity seem repugnant to everyone else, the dispensationalist also seers his own conscience before God.

 

[God-fearing]

Jacob's trouble from Jeremiah 30 is the Babylonian captivity.
Yet if it is future, which empire will be using Hebrew slave labor?
Speaking of Jacob:

Jeremiah 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

Anyway there is content in the chapter that sounds useful to Dispensationalist mythology, so to the dispensationalist it must be placed in the future, where flexibility of interpretation abounds.
So it gives birth to the story that modern Israel's actions will lead to the building of a third temple and usher in the Antichrist, who will kill two thirds of the people there.
Yet while believing all this, Dispensationalists support those same actions in any way they can, making excuses for genocides and preemptive wars.
So while making Christianity seem repugnant to everyone else, the dispensationalist also seers his own conscience before God.

And why do you think we would support any killing at all.

 

[God-fearing]

Jacob's trouble from Jeremiah 30 is the Babylonian captivity.
Yet if it is future, which empire will be using Hebrew slave labor?
Speaking of Jacob:

Jeremiah 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

Anyway there is content in the chapter that sounds useful to Dispensationalist mythology, so to the dispensationalist it must be placed in the future, where flexibility of interpretation abounds.
So it gives birth to the story that modern Israel's actions will lead to the building of a third temple and usher in the Antichrist, who will kill two thirds of the people there.
Yet while believing all this, Dispensationalists support those same actions in any way they can, making excuses for genocides and preemptive wars.
So while making Christianity seem repugnant to everyone else, the dispensationalist also seers his own conscience before God.

We do not support the third temple being built nor the killing,
We predict the third temple built through the prophets words.
You are so trying in many ways my friend, keep up the assumption, fake news is everywhere.