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Gee... how about SO YOU CAN DISMISS OTHERS when they tell you that you are wrong and don't know how to interpret Scripture?
I am sharing the truth from the word of God, not to receive praise from anyone, but to find God’s lost sheep. If they do not accept what I share and say that I am wrong, I will simply let them hold on to their beliefs. Perhaps they are not the ones I am meant to reach. How can you say that is the reason?
 
Ego. You feed your ego. Your rationalization certainly is NOT the truth.
Only the Lord Jesus has the right to say, “I am the truth,” not you. What you are doing is putting yourself on an equal footing with God. You are not God; you are only a human being.
JOHN 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
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I didn't change what I said. YOU chose not to read what I said and instead assumed that I changed it. That's why I said "You don't read too good."

But, apparently, you didn't read that too good either.
Here, read this carefully so that you can understand your own contradictory statements.

First, you do not believe that God’s name is written on the white stone.

Second, you say that I have not been given the white stone.
If that is the case, then you are essentially saying that God’s name is written on the white stone, but that I have not been given one.


Revelation 2:17 does not say "the stone with My Name written on it". Your assumption is baseless.



You haven't been given a white stone either, so give up your silly ego trip.
 
What a disciple knows cannot be greater than what the Lord knows. However, if the Lord has revealed something to the disciple, then they both know it.
LUKE 6:40
40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

From the common human understanding, the terms you refer to as “Lord” and “I Am” are regarded as names of God. This is what they preach to people, and therefore it is also what you believe. But you do not know the true name of the one true God.
They are not just "regarded as" names of God. God Himself said that they are. For example:

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Exo 3:14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' "
Exo 3:15 Moreover God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'

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Isa 42:8 I am the LORD, that is My name; And My glory I will not give to another, Nor My praise to carved images.

That is evidence that you are not among those who have overcome and have been given the white stone on which the name of God is written. That name is a secret, and therefore only those who have been given it know it.
REVELATION 2:17
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
But Revelation 2:17 is not about God's name, but about God giving a name to "him that overcometh."
How can the word “Lord” and the phrase “I Am” be a name when those words are openly known? Even those who do not believe in the Lord Jesus can easily know them simply by reading the Scriptures.

So, despite your insistence that you know the one true God, you have not been given the white stone. What would that be in the presence of the Lord? Would that be speaking truthfully or lying?
I would ask you this: Was God lying when He said to Moses and Isaiah, "That is My name"?
 
It is simply not possible for God to contradict His own word in Isaiah 52:6, where His name is yet to be given in the future. Therefore, the names mentioned in Exodus and Psalms are merely the result of a human understanding that regarded them as God’s name.

For according to Isaiah 52:6, God’s name is a secret that He reveals only to His chosen ones who have overcome
REVELATION 2:17
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

What is found in Exodus and Psalms, however, is public and not secret, because everyone who reads the Holy Scriptures can know it. Therefore, it cannot be God’s name because not everyone has overcome.

May I ask you something: Have you been given the white stone from God, on which His name is written?
Esoteric spiritualism is a system where spiritual truth is treated as hidden or secret, accessible only through special knowledge, mystical experiences, or private revelations rather than the clear, public Word of God. It looks for truth in symbols, numerology, cosmic energies, or spiritual hierarchies instead of Scripture’s plain meaning, creating a two‑tier spirituality where the “initiated” claim superior insight. In short, esoteric spiritualism replaces biblical revelation with mystical secrecy, leading people away from the clarity and sufficiency of God’s written Word. Test everything this man says and heed not his words but that of scripture.
 
Here, read this carefully so that you can understand your own contradictory statements.

First, you do not believe that God’s name is written on the white stone.

Second, you say that I have not been given the white stone.
If that is the case, then you are essentially saying that God’s name is written on the white stone, but that I have not been given one.


Revelation 2:17 does not say "the stone with My Name written on it". Your assumption is baseless.



You haven't been given a white stone either, so give up your silly ego trip.
My statements are not contradictory. YOUR ASSUMPTIVE MISUNDERSTANDING of my statements is contradictory.

It's a "you" problem... as usual.
 
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Only the Lord Jesus has the right to say, “I am the truth,” not you. What you are doing is putting yourself on an equal footing with God. You are not God; you are only a human being.
JOHN 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Did I say, "I am the truth"?

No. Not even close.

Once again, you can't understand the words on the page. That's likely the reason you understand Scripture so poorly: you see the words and immediately rephrase them in your head to suit your agenda.
 
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My statements are not contradictory. YOUR ASSUMPTIVE MISUNDERSTANDING of my statements is contradictory.

It's a "you" problem... as usual.
I agree. Revelation 2:17 doesn't mention God's name; it talks of God hiving him that overcomes a white stone with a new name written on it. No mention is made of God's own name in that verse:

NKJV Rev 2:17 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it."
 
JOHN 14:12
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
When Yeshua said believers would do “greater works,” I don’t think He was necessarily saying that every believer would perform greater miracles than He performed.

Notice why He says the greater works would happen: “because I go unto my Father.” After Yeshua returned to the Father, the Holy Spirit was given, and His disciples carried the message far beyond the geographical limits of Yeshua’s earthly ministry.

At Pentecost alone, about 3,000 people believed (Acts 2:41), and from there the message spread from Jerusalem to Judea, Samaria, and eventually to the nations (Acts 1:8).

So “greater” can be understood in terms of the greater extent and multiplication of Yeshua’s work through His people—not because the disciples became greater than Yeshua, but because Yeshua continued His work through them after returning to the Father.
 
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I agree. Revelation 2:17 doesn't mention God's name; it talks of God hiving him that overcomes a white stone with a new name written on it. No mention is made of God's own name in that verse:

NKJV Rev 2:17 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives it."
The Lord God made a promise to His chosen ones: He would make His name known to them.
ISAIAH 52:6
6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

He fulfilled His promise to His chosen ones by giving them a white stone, on which His name is written.
Only the one who receives it knows the name of God.
REVELATION 2:17
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

This truth does not pass away, as stated in Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35. God continues to give His chosen ones the white stone bearing the name of God.

Because if you cannot name the one true God, it means that He has not given you the white stone.
Therefore, it has also not been revealed to you who the true Jesus is the one who came in the flesh (1 John 4:2–3).
Nor can you name the one true God who is seated on a throne in heaven (Revelation 4:2).

We are the ones who truly humbled ourselves before God. That is why the one true God revealed Himself to us.
We received the white stone, and because of it, we were enlightened and came to understand the words of God.
And it is clear to us who the true Jesus is the one who came in the flesh.
We can also name the one true God who is seated on a throne in heaven.
 
The Lord God made a promise to His chosen ones: He would make His name known to them.
ISAIAH 52:6
6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

He fulfilled His promise to His chosen ones by giving them a white stone, on which His name is written.
Only the one who receives it knows the name of God.
REVELATION 2:17
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

This truth does not pass away, as stated in Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35. God continues to give His chosen ones the white stone bearing the name of God.

Because if you cannot name the one true God, it means that He has not given you the white stone.
Therefore, it has also not been revealed to you who the true Jesus is the one who came in the flesh (1 John 4:2–3).
Nor can you name the one true God who is seated on a throne in heaven (Revelation 4:2).

We are the ones who truly humbled ourselves before God. That is why the one true God revealed Himself to us.
We received the white stone, and because of it, we were enlightened and came to understand the words of God.
And it is clear to us who the true Jesus is the one who came in the flesh.
We can also name the one true God who is seated on a throne in heaven.
You invent things and call them Scripture. Here are God's words for people who do such:

Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

Consider yourself warned.
 
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The Lord God made a promise to His chosen ones: He would make His name known to them.
ISAIAH 52:6
6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

He fulfilled His promise to His chosen ones by giving them a white stone, on which His name is written.
Only the one who receives it knows the name of God.
REVELATION 2:17
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

This truth does not pass away, as stated in Ecclesiastes 1:9 and Matthew 24:35. God continues to give His chosen ones the white stone bearing the name of God.

Because if you cannot name the one true God, it means that He has not given you the white stone.
Therefore, it has also not been revealed to you who the true Jesus is the one who came in the flesh (1 John 4:2–3).
Nor can you name the one true God who is seated on a throne in heaven (Revelation 4:2).

We are the ones who truly humbled ourselves before God. That is why the one true God revealed Himself to us.
We received the white stone, and because of it, we were enlightened and came to understand the words of God.
And it is clear to us who the true Jesus is the one who came in the flesh.
We can also name the one true God who is seated on a throne in heaven.
What does this mean - “We received the white stone, and because of it, we were enlightened and came to understand the words of God.”
 
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What does this mean - “We received the white stone, and because of it, we were enlightened and came to understand the words of God.”
It would be good if everything were complete and arranged in the proper order.

God saw our humility and revealed Himself to us.
He gave us a white stone on which the name of the one and only God was written.
From that time on, the literal meaning of God’s words has been revealed to us, conveying the spiritual message contained in His words, which is called the truth.

In other words, we are among those to whom the Lord God made a promise in Isaiah 52:6. And in fulfilling His promise, we are also among those to whom He has given the white stone, on which the name of the one and only God is written.

From then on, the parables, or dark sayings, of God have been revealed to us as the truth contained in His words, just as He did with His disciples in the past.
MARK 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

I hope I was able to explain my answer to your question clearly.
 
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It would be good if everything were complete and arranged in the proper order.

God saw our humility and revealed Himself to us.
He gave us a white stone on which the name of the one and only God was written.
From that time on, the literal meaning of God’s words has been revealed to us, conveying the spiritual message contained in His words, which is called the truth.

In other words, we are among those to whom the Lord God made a promise in Isaiah 52:6. And in fulfilling His promise, we are also among those to whom He has given the white stone, on which the name of the one and only God is written.

From then on, the parables, or dark sayings, of God have been revealed to us as the truth contained in His words, just as He did with His disciples in the past.
MARK 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

I hope I was able to explain my answer to
Right. You were relating this to the original post. Carry on 👍
 
It would be good if everything were complete and arranged in the proper order.

God saw our humility and revealed Himself to us.
He gave us a white stone on which the name of the one and only God was written.
From that time on, the literal meaning of God’s words has been revealed to us, conveying the spiritual message contained in His words, which is called the truth.

In other words, we are among those to whom the Lord God made a promise in Isaiah 52:6. And in fulfilling His promise, we are also among those to whom He has given the white stone, on which the name of the one and only God is written.

From then on, the parables, or dark sayings, of God have been revealed to us as the truth contained in His words, just as He did with His disciples in the past.
MARK 4:34
34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.

I hope I was able to explain my answer to your question clearly.
Your self-delusion is getting deeper.

Scripture does not teach that "God saw our humility and revealed Himself to us".
Revelation 2:19 does not say that the name of God is written on the stone.
Scripture does not teach that after God gives the white stone that He conveys any "spiritual message contained in His words" to us.
Scripture does not teach that parables have been revealed to you as the truth contained in His words.

Your claim that you are "among those to whom He has given the white stone" is nothing but a blatant lie.
 
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You invent things and call them Scripture. Here are God's words for people who do such:

Revelation 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

Consider yourself warned.
The Lord’s warning is for those who do not recognize the one true God. By relying on their own understanding of God’s Word, they add to what is written.
REVELATION 22:18
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

For example, God alone should be called Rabbi, Pastor, Father or Teacher.
Therefore, God alone should be the one who teaches.
Yet they take these titles upon themselves and assume the role of teaching others.

Is it not clear, then, that what they are doing is adding to what is written?
MATTHEW 23:8-9
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
 
I think Jesus meant that we would be able to do greater things because we would have Him (Jesus) interceding for us, and the Holy Spirit working through us. It would be more of a combined/ team effort. That’s just my take on it.
 
Your self-delusion is getting deeper.

Scripture does not teach that "God saw our humility and revealed Himself to us".
Revelation 2:19 does not say that the name of God is written on the stone.
Scripture does not teach that after God gives the white stone that He conveys any "spiritual message contained in His words" to us.
Scripture does not teach that parables have been revealed to you as the truth contained in His words.

Your claim that you are "among those to whom He has given the white stone" is nothing but a blatant lie.
I would not say that I know the one true God if I had not received the white stone on which the name of the one true God is written.

The reason you deny this is because God has exposed the fact that you were not given the white stone. That is why, until now, you do not know the one true God.

And the reason is that God does not see humility in you. What He sees in you is pride.